maniac Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Information Exclusions The following is exempt from disclosure under section 8 of the Act:- Information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, "strategic, scientific or economic" interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offense; Information which has been expressly forbidden to be published by any court of law or tribunal or the disclosure of which may constitute contempt of court; Information, the disclosure of which would cause a breach of privilege of Parliament or the State Legislature; Information including commercial confidence, trade secrets or intellectual property, the disclosure of which would harm the competitive position of a third party, unless the competent authority is satisfied that larger public interest warrants the disclosure of such information; Information available to a person in his fiduciary relationship, unless the competent authority is satisfied that the larger public interest warrants the disclosure of such information; Information received in confidence from foreign Government; Information, the disclosure of which would endanger the life or physical safety of any person or identify the source of information or assistance given in confidence for law enforcement or security purposes; Information which would impede the process of investigation or apprehension or prosecution of offenders; Cabinet papers including records of deliberations of the Council of Ministers, Secretaries and other officers; Information which relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest, or which would cause unwarranted invasion of the privacy of the individual (but it is also provided that the information which cannot be denied to the Parliament or a State Legislature shall not be denied by this exemption); Notwithstanding any of the exemptions listed above, a public authority may allow access to information, if public interest in disclosure outweighs the harm to the protected interests. However, this does not apply to disclosure of "trade or commercial secrets protected by law ". What's the point of this act then? The exclusions are very broadly defined from what I could gather :hmmm: Better scrap this than have this farce
vayuu1 Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Exactly you know my family suffered from this right very badly ,we were reconstructing our house and some motherphacker,Sent an RTI against us that,we are doing illegal construction,as many as 32 complaints were send,I still remember the glum face of my dad and my mom being very upset,during the chautha of my Badi mausi ,the mcd officers came to our house to break the upper portion,mom was so upset that she cried,this was before my marriage,I was so upset that ,i had decided to stop the marriage,but my dad handled the situation very calmly.
bulbul Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 @ OP,what else do you expect from politicians.Con party wants political partties out of this. By the way how it is in US :hmmm:
punjabi_khota Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 @Vayuu1 You were doing illegal construction...so what is your beef ?
vayuu1 Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 @Vayuu1 You were doing illegal construction...so what is your beef ? No I was not I was reconstructing my house,and it was within limits,it was because we havent involved any builders for the construction.
Crookbond Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 IBNLiveRealtime: Govt won't bring ordinance to exempt parties from RTI Act
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 The Prime Minister's relief fund is exempt from RTI..... We don't have a right to know where all the fund is being used....apparently it is a private fund.....@#$% Never will I donate to this fund ever!
Crookbond Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 The Prime Minister's relief fund is exempt from RTI..... We don't have a right to know where all the fund is being used....apparently it is a private fund.....@#$% Never will I donate to this fund ever! I don't think that is the case.
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 ^ It is ...Was in the news a few days back. Someone had tried to use RTI to get info and the response was...the relief fund is a private fund. I don't remember the channel that was shoewing it...but it was a wtf moment for me.
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 RTI on PM's relief fund reveals a murky system An RTI application seeking details on allocation of money from the Prime Minister's Relief Fund (PMRF) has exposed a murky system of functioning where the fund is treated as a private body not answerable either to Parliament or the people of the country, but is still managed by the Prime Minister's Office. The PMO clearly states that PMRF is a private fund running on voluntary donations from people, but the fund's PAN - AAAGP0033M - suggests it's a government body as the fourth letter "G" stands for government. It has been more than 64 years since the Prime Minister's relief fund was set up, but a formal system to screen the lakhs of aid requests it receives every year is yet to be developed. The absence of any clear criteria or norms to decide the distribution of the fund came to light again when a three-year-old boy with a hole in his heart was granted only Rs 50,000 for treatment, an amount hardly sufficient for a heart surgery. According to the official website of the relief fund, it is supposed to be distributed among people hit by natural calamities or riots, or those in need of expensive life-saving medical treatment. The toddler Rishu and his mother Sangeeta were thrown out of their house by his father after he was diagnosed with the condition. They were residents of Lucknow, and when their case came to the notice of the Samajwadi Party, a plea was made to the PM's fund on their behalf by Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav. Disappointed with the meagre relief, Sangeeta got in touch with advocate and RTI activist Ajay Kumar Goyal, who subsequently shot off several key questions to the PM's relief fund - what are the criteria under which financial assistance was sanctioned; if Sangeeta and Rishu were granted aid because they were a BPL family; if so, why were they not directed to any government hospital for free treatment? The PMO refused to answer Goyal, saying it was a third party and not directly involved with the process. Answers on why there are no clear guidelines, directions or criteria to take a decision in such cases remain evasive. The fund operates entirely on the will and discretion of the Prime Minister's Office. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2359069/RTI-PMs-relief-fund-reveals-murky-system.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
DomainK Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 What's the point of this act then? The exclusions are very broadly defined from what I could gather :hmmm: Better scrap this than have this farce Been sleeping? RTI has helped many people after it came into effect. Just because you have discovered a list of exemptions, it should be scraped? I don't see anything wrong with the exceptions. There are plenty of people who will get help in their sinister designs if they get hold of all the information they want. In countries like the US, the government can just make any information classified and refuse to disclose it citing national security and no questions can be asked. No government in the world allows a free flow of information. There will always be exemptions and the exemptions will be defined in broad terms so that nobody could squeeze out some important information based on a technicality. That is how it works.
punjabi_khota Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I heard that mortality rate among RTI filers is pretty high. It is wise to file via a organization that anonymizes your info. Here's a list of people dead/assaulted after filing RTI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_RTI_activists_in_India
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I heard that mortality rate among RTI filers is pretty high. It is wise to file via a organization that anonymizes your info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_RTI_activists_in_India true...RTI activists are prime targets.There was some news about need for protection for RTI activists and whistleblowers on the lines of witness protection.
Crookbond Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 ^ It is ...Was in the news a few days back. Someone had tried to use RTI to get info and the response was...the relief fund is a private fund. I don't remember the channel that was shoewing it...but it was a wtf moment for me. The article does not say that "PM relief fund is exempt from RTI". The case highlights problems with screening process for allocation of PMRF and not RTI inconsistencies.
Crookbond Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I heard that mortality rate among RTI filers is pretty high. It is wise to file via a organization that anonymizes your info. Here's a list of people dead/assaulted after filing RTI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_RTI_activists_in_India true...RTI activists are prime targets.There was some news about need for protection for RTI activists and whistleblowers on the lines of witness protection. India Human Rights Report is a comprehensive overview on the same. http://www.achrweb.org/ihrrq/issue3-4/ihrrq-jan-june-2011.pdf There is also an online petition to file an anonymous RTI - http://getup4change.org/rti/
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 ^An RTI application seeking details on allocation of money from the Prime Minister's Relief Fund (PMRF) has exposed a murky system of functioning where the fund is treated as a private body not answerable either to Parliament or the people of the country, How can it be a private body and why not answerable?This is just silly and asking for abuse of the fund.
DomainK Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 ^An RTI application seeking details on allocation of money from the Prime Minister's Relief Fund (PMRF) has exposed a murky system of functioning where the fund is treated as a private body not answerable either to Parliament or the people of the country' date= How can it be a private body and why not answerable?This is just silly and asking for abuse of the fund. Any fund that is not accountable to not only the donors, but also to the public, can not be and should not be trusted.
Crookbond Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 ^An RTI application seeking details on allocation of money from the Prime Minister's Relief Fund (PMRF) has exposed a murky system of functioning where the fund is treated as a private body not answerable either to Parliament or the people of the country' date= How can it be a private body and why not answerable?This is just silly and asking for abuse of the fund. Yes - you are right but that does not mean PMRF is excused for RTI. It just means there are inconsistencies in the transparency process of fund allocation from PMRF.
beetle Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Any fund that is not accountable to not only the donors' date=' but also to the public, can not be and should not be trusted.[/quote'] It's so difficult to know who is spending what part of your donation for the real cause. I had read somewhere that most NGOs including famous ones for children and old people spead a large part of the donations for wages and the working of the NGO. I don't want to donate for their wages or their employement. 100% of my money should go to the people for whom the donation was taken. In the end I always end up sending money to thre TATA cancer trust. I don't have too much to give and I want all of it go to good use.At least with Tata ...I am sure it will be put to good use.
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I heard that mortality rate among RTI filers is pretty high. It is wise to file via a organization that anonymizes your info. Here's a list of people dead/assaulted after filing RTI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_RTI_activists_in_India :omg::omg::omg:
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