Bongosamaj Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Sacrificing an animal as an offering to God is something i consider to be barbaric & backwards. God, if he/she/it/they exist, shouldn't be very pleased that one creature it created is killing another creature merely for the amusement of God(s). To him/her/them, we are all equal. So sacrificing animal for God would be a bit like your son sacrificing your pet dog to please you- utter baloney. Moreover, its a barbaric concept/practice from the followers too- to offer up the life of a creature as an act of appeasement. Such a God is not a benevolent God- and if he/she/it/they exist, he/she/it/they deserve to be opposed, not placated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Sacrificing an animal as an offering to God is something i consider to be barbaric & backwards. God, if he/she/it/they exist, shouldn't be very pleased that one creature it created is killing another creature merely for the amusement of God(s). To him/her/them, we are all equal. So sacrificing animal for God would be a bit like your son sacrificing your pet dog to please you- utter baloney. Moreover, its a barbaric concept/practice from the followers too- to offer up the life of a creature as an act of appeasement. Such a God is not a benevolent God- and if he/she/it/they exist, he/she/it/they deserve to be opposed, not placated. This practice exists across religions. I am not aware of any God/Scripture actually calling its followers to offer sacrifices. A mammoth majority of religious practices are invented by its followers and not prescribed anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Khan Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Out of pure curiosity ' date=' What does Eid-ul-Fitr mean ? Why is it celebrated ?[/quote'] Definition:Eid-ul-Fitr The Eid of almsgiving (or fitra) to the poor, in money or food or goods, following a month of fasting, Ramadan. Eid ul-Fitr is a celebration that comes after the end of the month of Ramadan. The prayers mark the beginning of the Eid ul-Fitr (eed-al-fitter), or “feast of fast breaking†holiday, in which Muslims exchange social visits and seek to strengthen bonds of brotherhood in the community. During this holiday, Muslims greet each other by saying “Eid mubarak†(eed-moo-bar-ak), meaning “blessed Eid,†and “taqabbalallah ta’atakum,†or “may God accept your deeds.†Many communities hold bazaars following the prayers. Eid ul-Fitr is the first of the two major Muslim holidays. The second holiday comes at the end of the Hajj, or pilgrimage to Mecca. EID-UL-FITR is celebrated on the first day of Shaw'waal, at the completion of Ramadan. Shaw'waal is the 10th month of the Islamic calendar. The Eid-al-Fitr is a very joyous day; it is a true Thanksgiving Day for the believing men and women. On this day Muslims show their real joy for the health, strength and the opportunities of life, which Allah has given to them to fulfill their obligation of fasting and other good deeds during the blessed month of Ramadan. Eid ul-Fitr in South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) At the end of the Holy month of Ramadan, in which the Muslims are asked to observe fasting from dawn to dusk and do extra prayers and observe religious values rigidly, the Muslims celebrate the sighting of the new moon (start of the new Muslim month). In Bangladesh,India and Pakistan, the night before Eid is called Chand Raat, or night of the moon. People visits bazaars and shopping malls, with their families and children, for last momemts Eid shopping. Women, especially young girls, often paint each others' hands with traditional "henna" and wear colourful bangles. The popular way of greeting in Bangladesh, India & Pakistan during celebration of this festival is to say Eid Mubarak to others.Children are encouraged to meet and greet the elders. In exchange of this they also expect to obtain some cash money, called Eidi, from the elders. On the morning of Eid ul-Fitr, after taking a fresh bath, every Muslim is encouraged to wear new clothes, if they can afford so. Alternatively, they may wear clean washed clothes.Men and boys go to mosque or open fields called Eidgah for special Eid prayers, thanking God for enabling a Muslim to observe the holy month meaningfully. The Muslims are ordained to pay Zakat al-Fitr (special charity money) or fitra to the poor and needy before the Eid prayer, so that they can also join others to celebrate the Eid. After the prayers, the congregation is dispersed and the Muslims meet and greet each other including family members, children, elders, friends and neighbours. Some Muslims especially go to graveyards to pray for the salvation of the departed soul. Usually, children visit elder relatives and neighbours to pay respects and greetings. One of the special dishes in India, Pakistan and Fiji is sivayyan, a dish of fine, toasted vermicelli noodles [4]. In Bangladesh, sivayyan is called shemai, and is an integral item of Eid dishes. After meeting the friends and relatives, many people go for attending parties, feasts, special carnivals and festivities in the parks (with picnics, fireworks, etc.). In Bangladesh and Pakistan, many bazaars, malls, and restaurants witness huge crowd & high attendance during this principal muslim festival. Some people also avail this opportunity to distribute Zakat, the obligatory tax on ones wealth, to the needy. In this way, the Muslims of South Asia celebrate their Eid ul-Fitr in festive mood by thanking the Almighty and bringing their families, friends and the poor and needy people closer in a praiseworthy eagalitarian manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator_05 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'll be getting drunk on 80 Proof alcohol after gorging down a few hot dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well if that's your opinion then I whole-heartedly disagree but I can understand that you would take that stance. But that's not what you said. You said "Halal/Kosher killing is extra cruel." That's the statement I have a problem with. BTW, isn't is easy to make slanderous remarks and then refuse to back them up because you "don't want a religious debate." We have had discussions before. I think Gaurav aka GKD is right . Even PETA has come out against it. Halal or Kosher while being a good practice during medieval times seems to be a extra cruel in the 21st century. Medical studies have now shown that these animals are conscious for several minutes before death, thereby experiencing suffering and pain before death. Don't you think with all the advancements in science , their will be a better alternative ? BTW , In USA at least they use tranqulisers before slaughtering the animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Sacrificing an animal as an offering to God is something i consider to be barbaric & backwards. God, if he/she/it/they exist, shouldn't be very pleased that one creature it created is killing another creature merely for the amusement of God(s). To him/her/them, we are all equal. So sacrificing animal for God would be a bit like your son sacrificing your pet dog to please you- utter baloney. Moreover, its a barbaric concept/practice from the followers too- to offer up the life of a creature as an act of appeasement. Such a God is not a benevolent God- and if he/she/it/they exist, he/she/it/they deserve to be opposed, not placated. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Khan Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid mubarak to you too Rahul and to the rest of the forum. But is it today ...or tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid Mubarak Rahul and to everyone else as well. :top: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aditi Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid Mubarak!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyinallblue Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid is on Sunday here in Delhi... Imam Bhukhar of Jama Madjid announced today evening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid Mubarak to all ! :isalute: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid mubarak... MP and all Paki bros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Eid Mubarak to those all who celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Khan Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 Eid is already celebrated on 12th Oct in Saudiarabia...I am staying there at Jeddah, Saudiarabia...for me Eid is over! I wish all the best to all the fellow ICF members on the commencement of Eid on 13th and 14th Oct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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