Sachin=GOD Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Oh no! What about the kaansipracy theory involving Modi' date=' sangh parivar etc.?[/quote'] I was merely telling Veer what the Aajtak sting showed. But I will say that the SP Govt bears more responsibility for these riots. As for the impact of Modi - I still say that the fear of Modi coming to power has played a big part in the increase in communal violence in UP in the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I was merely telling Veer what the Aajtak sting showed. But I will say that the SP Govt bears more responsibility for these riots. As for the impact of Modi - I still say that the fear of Modi coming to power has played a big part in the increase in communal violence in UP in the last few months. you dont go about rioting out of fear of Modi... If this had happened in any non-UPA states, there may have already been cries of Presidents rule from ManishTewary/Singhvi & co.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Nakamura Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Do you think Akhilesh will resign after sting operation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Do you think Akhilesh will resign after sting operation? Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The best report I have read on the riots - summarizes EVERYTHING and very unbiased. Look out for the actual number of people who were displaced. Muzaffarnagar Violence: A Detailed Report by Eminent Citizens http://www.indiaresists.com/muzaffarnagar-violence-a-detailed-report-by-eminent-citizens/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The best report I have read on the riots - summarizes EVERYTHING and very unbiased. Look out for the actual number of people who were displaced. Muzaffarnagar Violence: A Detailed Report by Eminent Citizens http://www.indiaresists.com/muzaffarnagar-violence-a-detailed-report-by-eminent-citizens/ Very good article.. one jarring note is that it doesnt mention anything about Azam Khans role in the whole article, even though he was the district incharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Do you think Akhilesh will resign after sting operation? :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Muzaffarnagar MP Kadir Rana, who is wanted by the police for inciting communal clashes that killed nearly 50 and left 40,000 displaced in his constituency, allegedly claimed attendance in Parliament on a day he allegedly made an inflammatory speech in Uttar Pradesh. It is not known whether it was a deliberate attempt to craft an alibi. Mr Rana, a member of Mayawati's Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP), is accused of making highly incendiary speeches at a gathering on August 30 called after Friday prayers, at a time when public meetings had been banned amid tension after the killing of three young men in Kawal village - two Jat cousins and a Muslim man. The cousins were allegedly lynched by a mob after they killed a Muslim man for harassing their sister. But on the day he was making that speech in Muzaffarnagar, Kadir Rana has signed in his attendance in the Lok Sabha register in Delhi, implying that he was in Parliament at the time. Sources say he may have signed the Lok Sabha register later, as is a common practice among MPs. :wall: fake alibi too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 as of now it looks like BJP will certainly benefit from these riots, at least in western UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 kuchh nahi ho sakta hamara. Chhotisi baat pe itana bawaal. I expect another sting operation exposing Modi soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Another just brilliant article! The truth about 'appeasement' | Much of what's being said about the Muzaffarnagar riots is pushing an insidious and false narrative http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/the-truth-about-appeasement-113091900235_1.html#.UjrEyPjBW-4.twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Another just brilliant article! The truth about 'appeasement' | Much of what's being said about the Muzaffarnagar riots is pushing an insidious and false narrative http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/the-truth-about-appeasement-113091900235_1.html#.UjrEyPjBW-4.twitter There is a reason why Jats have not taken refuge but muslims have. Most of those muslims are poor and usaully work in the farms of the Jats. Jats mostly are landlords and an affluent community. Muslims even if they leave their villages have nothing much to lose as mostly lack any ancestral property and leave miserable life depending on labor while Jats cannot run away like Muslims leaving their homes and ancestral property. Jat population also easily outnumbers Muslims. Social ambiguity and inferiority in comparison to Jats has also played a part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 A brilliant article which without basis says this This will surprise nobody who knows even the slightest bit about communal riots in UP and Bihar; the local police and especially the Provincial Armed Constabulary are and always have been notoriously one-sided. And the “side” they back isn’t the “side” that we are being sententiously told the Indian state is on. They don’t pamper Muslims, they beat them up and arrest them without charges. Riots for votes, indeed. Whose votes, again? And this hack points to one Sunday Guardian article to show uhow minorities were beaten up but ignores another Sunday Guardian article which clearly says had the police not been partial towards minorities on 28th Aug, perhaps the riots would not have spread. (and this is exactly what the sting operation proved) Read this Top police officials swear on the condition of anonymity that when the tension began simmering at the ground level, the SP leaders specifically asked them not to "touch Muslims" as it would disturb their vote bank. While the Samajwadi Party's concern for minorities was understandable, what left the police officials completely perplexed were the orders issued by an influential officer in the Chief Minister's secretariat that Jats were not to be touched either. It was on the orders of this influential officer that the Mahapanchayat was allowed to be held on 7 September and the inflammatory speeches delivered there paved the way for riots that have dangerously spread into the rural interiors. http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/sp-communalised-criminals-made-muslims-vulnerable So first police was partial towards Muslims and then to make up for it towards Jats, this when repeated incidents were happening between two communities. And before the admin knew, the riots were uncontrollable. Stings are showing the exactly the same things. Azam Khan asked his police officers not to touch muslims when the first murders took place, transferred the key officers. Do read the sequence of events I had put in the post on the thread from local newspaper reports of each days between 28th Aug to 9th Sept. Also read this one from Sunday Guardian http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/riots-truth-hidden-behind-conflicting-versions - conflicting versions about police behaviour of victims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 as of now it looks like BJP will certainly benefit from these riots' date=' at least in western UP.[/quote'] If Cong-BSP alliance does materialize ( and there are reports of it happening), they will sweep the UP polls. I will not be surprised if Azam Khan has successfully destroyed Mulayam Singh through a clandestine understanding with Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If Cong-BSP alliance does materialize ( and there are reports of it happening)' date=' they will sweep the UP polls. I will not be surprised if Azam Khan has successfully destroyed Mulayam Singh through a clandestine understanding with Congress.[/quote'] was this the payback for being bypassed by Akhilesh for CM post? Also read that CBI has decided to close inquiry into corruption charges against Mulayam Singh Yadav..So will congress align with SP or BSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 A brilliant article which without basis says this And this hack points to one Sunday Guardian article to show uhow minorities were beaten up but ignores another Sunday Guardian article which clearly says had the police not been partial towards minorities on 28th Aug, perhaps the riots would not have spread. (and this is exactly what the sting operation proved) Read this http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/sp-communalised-criminals-made-muslims-vulnerable So first police was partial towards Muslims and then to make up for it towards Jats, this when repeated incidents were happening between two communities. Also read this one from Sunday Guardian http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/riots-truth-hidden-behind-conflicting-versions - conflicting versions about police behaviour of victims But It also ignores another 100 articles on the Internet which mentions why the riots couldn't have spread and surely that was the topic of this article as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 It also ignores another 100 articles on the Internet which mentions why the riots couldn't have spread and surely that was the topic of this article as well. Aah so the writer picks up a story from SG which shows muslims as victims but conveniently ignores another story from same SG edition (on the same page as well) showing how the partisan attitude of admin led to escalations in violence and that has nothing to do with the narrative the writer is trying to built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 HISS continues to strike. Arrest warrants have been issued against BJP MLAs, Uma Bharti made hardly veiled threats of violence if these MLAs were arrested at the assembly yesterday, but no no BJP has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 Its clear that Azam Khan interfered the process, asked Police to not do anything against the Muslims and rather arrest parents of Hindu guys who were killed. If SP administration had acted rightly instead of playing this communal politics, Jat community would not have been so angry and the whole thing would have been done and dusted then and there itself. But expect no actions against Azam Khan ji, he is still secular as he is secular congress's secular ally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Hope SP gets a fitting reply from the voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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