Varun Aaron in the ODIs

[rkt.india]

i am not saying he is inaccurate bowler but accuracy is judged over longer period of time imo from what i have seen he will be fairly accurate for his pace ..no complaints there and showed tons of potential today and will probably retain his place i am having a feeling dhoni wont captain in t20 so lets see how he goes

He strayed in line mostly outside off when he tried to bowl bouncers mostly and this is what I want him to work on. He should work on his bouncers because at his pace, it is important that he could bowl effective and accurate bouncers on these pitches. Bouncer is a weapon and no Indian bowler can bowl a good bouncer. Right now, his strength is bowling full length but if he starts bowling effective bouncers, his fuller length deliveries at that pace can have far more impact on the game.

[Old guy]

He strayed in line mostly outside off when he tried to bowl bouncers mostly and this is what I want him to work on. He should work on his bouncers because at his pace' date=' it is important that he could bowl effective and accurate bouncers on these pitches. Bouncer is a weapon and no Indian bowler can bowl a good bouncer. Right now, his strength is bowling full length but if he starts bowling effective bouncers, his fuller length deliveries at that pace can have far more impact on the game.[/quote'] you do not learn bouncers in day should stick to your strength at his pace any full ball will be impossible to be hit

[rkt.india]

you do not learn bouncers in day should stick to your strength at his pace any full ball will be impossible to be hit

Where did I say that? I said need to improve and that usually happens in the nets, not in the match. Look what Mitch did, he was at same pace as Aaron in this match but his bouncers are really effective and accurate, but his fuller balls did more damage than short balls because batsmen were always wary of short ones and were late on full balls. This is what effective accurate bouncers can do to any batsmen.

[ganeshran]

Indian bowling => Wheel of mediocrity. One mediocre bowlers pops out, another pops in to take his place

[Old guy]

Where did I say that? I said need to improve and that usually happens in the nets' date=' not in the match. Look what Mitch did, he was at same pace as Aaron in this match but his bouncers are really effective and accurate, but his fuller balls did more damage than short balls because batsmen were always wary of short ones and were late on full balls. This is what effective accurate bouncers can do to any batsmen.[/quote'] where did i say ,you said that ? also about bouncers i just think some bowlers bowll them well naturally...most of ours do not even if they do they do not know how to use it aaron to me is always going to be bowler who bowls full and straight..lets not make him something he is not..yes mix up length to keep them guessing but dhoni took it too far by saying that u just have to bowl 2 bouncers

[rkt.india]

where did i say ,you said that ? s

Where did I say, it will happen in a day. I said he needs to work on that.

also about bouncers i just think some bowlers bowll them well naturally...most of ours do not even if they do they do not know how to use it aaron to me is always going to be bowler who bowls full and straight..lets not make him something he is not..yes mix up length to keep them guessing but dhoni took it too far by saying that u just have to bowl 2 bouncer

It is a process of improvement. You do not want to be a one trick pony. It makes you predictable and batsmen will sort it out. For a fast bowler of his pace, it is paramount that he could bowl good bouncers too.

[Old guy]

Where did I say, it will happen in a day. I said he needs to work on that. It is a process of improvement. You do not want to be a one trick pony. It makes you predictable and batsmen will sort it out. For a fast bowler of his pace, it is paramount that he could bowl good bouncers too.

to me he is not 100 percent right now even full balls which were good were mixed with ordinary ones .. he can obviously bowl bouncers but that will come as he bowls more and more and as his body gets used to it its always harder to bowl a bouncer specially after coming from injury it takes too much effort

[Lord]

Where did I say, it will happen in a day. I said he needs to work on that. It is a process of improvement. You do not want to be a one trick pony. It makes you predictable and batsmen will sort it out. For a fast bowler of his pace, it is paramount that he could bowl good bouncers too.

Thats more or less what Dhoni said too but people took it wrongly

[Straight Drive]

Now that series is over, time to look how he has performed. 3 Innings - 4 wickets Economy 7.03. Below average performance from a specialist bowler.Missed a opportunity here. Won't get much better conditions in Asia.

[rkt.india]

Thats more or less what Dhoni said too but people took it wrongly

Problem with Dhoni was, he wanted them to bowl is straight away. It is not our strength but they will have to work on it to make their strength once they have enough pace.

[Old guy]

Problem with Dhoni was' date=' he wanted them to bowl is straight away. It is not our strength but they will have to work on it to make their strength once they have enough pace.[/quote'] This is what I was saying

[rkt.india]

to me he is not 100 percent right now even full balls which were good were mixed with ordinary ones .. he can obviously bowl bouncers but that will come as he bowls more and more and as his body gets used to it its always harder to bowl a bouncer specially after coming from injury it takes too much effort

I do not think he bowled really poor full balls too wide outside of or down leg side. You cannot expect a 145K bowler to land every ball on same spot. If you cut down his boundaries on attempt short balls which turned out short and wide in both the matches, his stats will look much better. He did not bowl good short balls, IMO, bar 1 or 2 here and there. Especially, in this match he was far better on full balls.

[Old guy]

I do not think he bowled really poor full balls too wide outside of or down leg side. You cannot expect a 145K bowler to land every ball on same spot. If you cut down his boundaries on attempt short balls which turned out short and wide in both the matches' date=' his stats will look much better. He did not bowl good short balls, IMO, bar 1 or 2 here and there. Especially, in this match he was far better on full balls.[/quote'] Let me make myself clear...he is good enough to be in team..he is just not at hundred percent and it will take time for him to get there To me any bowler who can bowl 150 k with control is a special talent and he can be gem for us in Odis ..he bowled too lose for my likeness and from seeing his action I know he can easily maintain much better control without cutting pace it's matter of getting rhythm going

[rkt.india]

Now that series is over, time to look how he has performed. 3 Innings - 4 wickets Economy 7.03. Below average performance from a specialist bowler.Missed a opportunity here. Won't get much better conditions in Asia.

No one really expected him to do miracles but he did look today. Still needs to improve. They are not finished product and we are not going to get finished products from our domestic cricket.

[rkt.india]

Let me make myself clear...he is good enough to be in team..he is just not at hundred percent and it will take time for him to get there To me any bowler who can bowl 150 k with control is a special talent and he can be gem for us in Odis ..he bowled too lose for my likeness and from seeing his action I know he can easily maintain much better control without cutting pace it's matter of getting rhythm going

His loose balls were mostly short and wide deliveries which he needs to cut down.

[Old guy]

His loose balls were mostly short and wide deliveries which he needs to cut down.

with more bowling that will change

[Magneto]

Let me make myself clear...he is good enough to be in team..he is just not at hundred percent and it will take time for him to get there To me any bowler who can bowl 150 k with control is a special talent and he can be gem for us in Odis ..he bowled too lose for my likeness and from seeing his action I know he can easily maintain much better control without cutting pace it's matter of getting rhythm going

Also the fact that the captain criticizes him publicly probably weighs heavily on his mind. Young players would hardly bloom if the Damocles's sword is always hanging over their necks.

[Straight Drive]

No one really expected him to do miracles but he did look today. Still needs to improve. They are not finished product and we are not going to get finished products from our domestic cricket.

Every time a new pacer comes i hear the same thing.In decades only Srinath and ZAK have done well over a longer career.I will wait for few years before agreeing he is a good bowler.So far he has not impressed on line and length.Speed yes, very impressive. But can't make a career just on speed.

[rkt.india]

Every time a new pacer comes i hear the same thing.In decades only Srinath and ZAK have done well over a longer career.I will wait for few years before agreeing he is a good bowler.So far he has not impressed on line and length.Speed yes' date=' very impressive. But can't make a career just on speed.[/quote'] Even they did poorly in their initial years. Zak only became consistent after 2006 after a county stint after 5 years of international cricket and think if so many bowlers come in and do well initially but do not prosper then there is a fault in the system.

[Straight Drive]

Even they did poorly in their initial years. Zak only became consistent after 2006 after a county stint after 5 years of international cricket.

The ratio of above average bowlers amongst those tried is very bad.Great pace bowler is probably a dream for us, isn't it. So that makes me cautious about being very hopeful about our pace bowlers.With batsmen i am usually more optimistic.