The BJP thread

[G_B_]

The very nature of the Janata Party was such that it was never going to survive for a long time - it was a eclectic collection of men full of egos and their own ambitions to become PM ended up being too much for them to work together for a long time. These days its much, much worse bcoz everyone - Mayawati, MSY, Jayalalitha, Mamta, Sharad Pawar, Nitish Kumar etc - all of them want to be PM and their egos are much bigger. Another thing is that in the time of Janata Party there were certain leaders (like MorarJi Desai or Charan Singh or AtalJi) who had a National presence and could get votes in many states. Among today's regional satraps there is not a single one who could, say, go from Bihar and get votes in Maharashtra or go from WB and get votes in Rajasthan etc. So in the end I think Congress will be the only alternative left for most of these and they will enter into an alliance.

It still did well to last as a national party till 1996/7 atleast. Thats close to 20 years. It had a decent run. Yes it was erratic but it was there. Granted that there where truly national leaders. But today there are more regional parties. Regional parties win more seats than ever. Crucially what you need a national party for is to keep the government in check. Just like 1977. On the congress for all we know somebody assassinates the Gandhis Rahul his Priyanka and Sonia and the congress does indeed get leaders like Rao. Hard to predict the future. Same goes for the BJP. If ur a one man party or become a one man party you are not going to be in a good position once that man is gone. But the BJP can fall back on the sangh pariwar. So there is cover there to ensure they remain a national party. I can fairly say that the BJP will not dip below 80 seats for the next 20 odd years. The good thing for the BJP is that only the shiv sena occupy the political spectrum to the right of them but they are allies and range bound. The problem for the congress is that the number of secular parties keep on adding up with AAP being the most recent addition. There will always be a right wing vote. Probably close to 15% of the electorate. BJP should be always able to monopolize that.

[G_B_]

To raise another point, The threat to the congress does not come from the BJP, it comes from other secular parties. There are too many secular parties. In the first past the post system that suits the BJP in multi cornered contests. You look at the BJP vote share in UP for the lok sabha. It was 43.4%. Which allowed it to sweep more than 90% of the seats. Why? You had 3 other secular parties, each vying for the same base. In this case Muslims. The congress wanted SC and + Muslims. The BSP wanted SC + Muslims. The SP wanted Yadavs + Muslims. Something had to give. Now lets look at AAP, If the AAP emerges as a force (getting 15% across the board) in the top 8 metropolitan cities in India with a total of 50 seats. That the congress fecked. These guys are chasing the same vote. The more multi cornered the fight, the better it is for the bjp and the harder it will be for the congress. There are too many on the left. There are two few on the right of the political spectrum.

[someone]

Disagree. These are very important - more so for the BJP. As G_B said' date=' if BJP wins big here then there would be many defections from RJD/JDU in the next few weeks/months. On the other hand if RJD/JDU do well then they would get a much needed confidence boost and an indication that their alliance, however desperate it may be, is working.[/quote'] Nope, I still don't agree. Sure, these bypolls are not insignificant but they aren't as important as the media is trying to show. Bypolls never set the tone for assembly elections.

[someone]

Why do BJP bhakts want congress to be eradicated ?

You should watch one of Modi interviews for the 2014 elections campaigns. The idea of Congress mukt Bharat doesn't mean that there should be no Congress party in India. Sure, there will be representatives of the Congress party and even BJP/ Modi knows that. The whole idea sabka saath sabka vikas is based about taking everybody, including the opposition together. What Congress mukt Bharat represents is more about ending the tenure of 60 years of ruling of the same party in India. They have had enough time to improve our country and yet each time, they continue to fool people around in elections. Thankfully 2014 results showed that people are getting aware of the blind superstition associated with Congress.

[Number]

ShivrajSingh Chouhan @ChouhanShivraj

I congratulate Rani Mukherjee for a wonderful and powerful performance in 'Mardaani'. Aditya Chopra has done well to produce this movie

He usually posts these congratulatory messages but this is too much .. :D

[Sachin=GOD]

ShivrajSingh Chouhan @ChouhanShivraj He usually posts these congratulatory messages but this is too much .. :D

Lol.. UnRealTimes makes a lot of fun of his congratulatory tweets. But its good to see a leader being not only so active on social media but also taking interest in things other than politics. Usually his tweets aren't the perfunctory congratulation - he does watch cricket and movies etc.

[Number]

^ Yes. Omar Abdullah is also like that. He even rants about the his Internet speed on twitter. lol

[Khalpat]

Rajdeep Sardesai ‏@sardesairajdeep ·13m CSDS post poll shows about One in four of those who voted for BJP said they would not have voted for BJP if Modi was not leader

[G_B_]

this is a very disappointing set of results. Bihar: BJP needed to win 6. They won 4. Its going to be hard for the BJP to overturn this. Karnataka: Big loss in Bellery. However Yeddy has won. So effectively the BJP did the right thing positioning as being CM for Karnataka for the next elections. Brand Yeddy is still strong warts and all. Back him now. Punjab: along expected lines MP: Disappointing but not of any significance. This is starting to become bit of a trend. BJP fluffed their lines in Uttarakand they have fluffed their lines in Bihar. Will wait to judge Amit shah but in the assembly elections coming up forming government in maha and haryana is a must.

[adi B]

this is a very disappointing set of results. Bihar: BJP needed to win 6. They won 4. Its going to be hard for the BJP to overturn this. Karnataka: Big loss in Bellery. However Yeddy has won. So effectively the BJP did the right thing positioning as being CM for Karnataka for the next elections. Brand Yeddy is still strong warts and all. Back him now. Punjab: along expected lines MP: Disappointing but not of any significance. This is starting to become bit of a trend. BJP fluffed their lines in Uttarakand they have fluffed their lines in Bihar. Will wait to judge Amit shah but in the assembly elections coming up forming government in maha and haryana is a must.

shah and bjp have a lot to prove in the assembly elections especially in states like up,bihar,maha where they havent ruled alone for a long time now. state elections are lot different to the LS elections,u need to have good dynamic grass root leaders and strong organisational structures to force big victories. i do have faith in shah,he must seriously ponder over these by poll results before the municipal and state elections

[game_changerr]

shah seems to be concentrating only in up and j&k assembly election thus ignoring others

[G_B_]

shah and bjp have a lot to prove in the assembly elections especially in states like up,bihar,maha where they havent ruled alone for a long time now. state elections are lot different to the LS elections,u need to have good dynamic grass root leaders and strong organisational structures to force big victories. i do have faith in shah,he must seriously ponder over these by poll results before the municipal and state elections

agree. I dont particularly blame Shah for the Bihar losses. But he will be judged on Maha and Haryana coming up. Maybe the BJP need to calm down and stick to their allies and negociate a better deal in terms of seats.

[diga]

Sheila Dikshit may resign too

[adi B]

Meanwhile advani and joshi are excluded from bjp's parliamentary board,projected as mentors :giggle:

[G_B_]

I dont know why they even want to be running the party at their age? If i was in their position i would retire from public life in a graceful manner and let the next gen take over.

[G_B_]

Chouhan's giant leap to national stage, made part of elite BJP board

BHOPAL: Chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan on Tuesday was catapulted to BJP's highest decision-making body, the party's parliamentary board, even as BJP completed the generational shift by dropping party patriarch and Chouhan's mentor L K Advani from the elite 12-member group. Not just Advani, two other founding fathers Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Murli Manohar Joshi have not found place in the board headed by BJP president Amit Shah. In a token gesture, ailing Vajpayee, Advani and Joshi, for long the BJP's 'trimurti', now figure in the new five-member 'margdarshak mandal' (guiding group). The message was clear: Chief minister Chouhan is being prepared for a bigger role for the party at the national level. But the irony can't be missed. What Advani recommended for his protege Chouhan in March last year, was implemented by party national president Amit Shah on Tuesday. In addition, Chouhan has also been inducted into the 15-member national election committee. On March 31 last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was inducted into the parliamentary board because he would be given a major role to play in 2014 elections. At that time Advani, who was opposing Modi as probable PM candidate stature, recommended that Chouhan was an equally efficient administrator and should be given a place of honour. But Advani's recommendation was ignored and Modi became the only chief minister to be inducted into the top decision-making body. One year and five months later, it is none other than PM Modi's trusted man Amit Shah who willingly and without any dispute made place for Chouhan (again, as the only chief minister) in the parliamentary board. Though it was always said Chhattisgarh chief minister Raman Singh is much closer to Prime Minister than Chouhan, he was not inducted. Neither was Rajasthan chief minister Vasundhara Raje or her Gujarat counterpart Anandiben Patel. Speaking to reporters at the state secretariat, the chief minister said, "I will work relentlessly and implement the responsibility given to me by the party." While Chouhan has been elevated to the party's powerful parliamentary board, Madhya Pradesh minister for urban administration and housing Kailash Vijayavargiya was appointed election in-charge for the crucial assembly elections in Haryana. He is the only minister from Madhya Pradesh who has been given such a big responsibility. And if Vijayvargiya manages to decimate Haryana CM Hooda, his stakes in the party would increase manifold. During Lok Sabha polls in April-May, Vijayavargiya was again the only minister from Madhya Pradesh who was asked to manage elections in Varanasi, Modi's constituency. The minister for urban administration is known to be close to the Prime Minister and might soon be elevated to a position of greater accountability. Union minister for social justice Thavar Chand Gehlot also from the state has been retained as a member of the board headed by Amit Shah. Gehlot, is important as he is Dalit leader and extremely amiable.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Bhopal/Chouhans-giant-leap-to-national-stage-made-part-of-elite-BJP-board/articleshow/40973711.cms

[G_B_]

Its a right call really. Chouhan is a proven hand in MP and from what i know has large scale acceptability all over northern India. He is 55 years old. Which is politically still young. Another 5 years in local politics before moving to the centre. Should be rubber stamped as the heir to Modi. The BJP cannot become a one man party. They need to create a line of succession. This move is welcome by me as a move of a Modi government which is keen on making the BJP stronger for the coming decades.

[Sachin=GOD]

Rajnath Singh's son Pankaj Singh did not get the ticket for Noida seat for by-elections....and for the past few days rumors had been going around of some kind of misconduct on his part which had apprantly pissed off Modi and the party leadership. Now Rajnath Singh has come out in the open and has said that if anyone attacks his family then he is not going to take it lying down and if even a single charge is proved against him or his son then he would quit politics. He is also said to have blamed a central minister for spreading these rumors. Now the Prime Minister's office has said that such reports are lies.. Rajnath Singh is, more than any other person, responsible for the decline of BJP in UP since 2002 so its fantastic to see someone finally questioning him and his son not getting the ticket (something which Rajnath as Party Prez did with many, many leaders on many occasions).

[G_B_]

Rajnath Singh's son Pankaj Singh did not get the ticket for Noida seat for by-elections....and for the past few days rumors had been going around of some kind of misconduct on his part which had apprantly pissed off Modi and the party leadership. Now Rajnath Singh has come out in the open and has said that if anyone attacks his family then he is not going to take it lying down and if even a single charge is proved against him or his son then he would quit politics. He is also said to have blamed a central minister for spreading these rumors. Now the Prime Minister's office has said that such reports are lies.. Rajnath Singh is, more than any other person, responsible for the decline of BJP in UP since 2002 so its fantastic to see someone finally questioning him and his son not getting the ticket (something which Rajnath as Party Prez did with many, many leaders on many occasions).

disgusting. how the hell did rajnath even become so powerful in the bjp?

[Sachin=GOD]

disgusting. how the hell did rajnath even become so powerful in the bjp?

Media manipulation and setting with RSS at various levels. Rajnath is probably THE shrewdest leader in the country. Apart from having just a little bit of clout among Thakurs in some parts of UP, he has NO mass appeal to speak of and his administration skills are bad (that was evident in the time he was CM). BTW the PMO didn't make any statement on the burning topic of the day Love Jihad or on Riots in UP but made a statement defending Rajnath.