hhunaeh Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Why BJP will not learn anything from UP loss All advising BJP to not rake up Love Jihad are secular liberals. The saffron cadres are not. The results are out. The BJP has got a drubbing in the bypolls, dubbed as a test for Modi magic. Dubbed so by the media. There's a certain sense of joy in TV studios as experts, who don't like the BJP much, discuss the results. The BJP has lost massively in Uttar Pradesh, which it swept in May 2014. The punditry peaks as they are generous with unsolicited advice to the BJP. There is unanimity among the analysts that the party should not follow an aggressive Hindutva line and abandon divisive politics if it wanted to repeat its May miracle. Their logic: The BJP fought the Lok Sabha elections on the agenda of development and good governance. This is spurious and based on pure presumption and positive prejudice Wishing BJP well or just wishing? One, most of these pundits are not known to be BJP's well-wishers. In fact some of them wear on sleeves their anti-BJP credentials. Why would they give a good advice to BJP? Two, the BJP did not win the Lok Sabha elections on the planks of development and good governance. This is one of the myths pundits have propagated and the BJP has been happy to not deny. Why do BJP-baiters persist in giving the 'inclusive' advice to the party? They do not like the divisive debate raising heat in the hinterland. They wish to see the BJP as a moderate, inclusive political force. It's their wish that they somehow want the BJP to fulfil. They just wish they could vote for the BJP, the party that won. This is problematic because they aren't fighting the battle, the BJP is. And the BJP isn't the party of their dreams. The BJP today is a party of Narendra Modi's dreams. He is making it the way he sees fit. Amit Shah sits at the console. None of these two leaders are known for their moderate views. When hard becomes soft Modi's critics want Modi to be more assertive and mute the hate-spewing Yogi Adityanath and Lakshmipati Tripathi. They want communal sentiments to be toned down. They don't want the BJP to rake up Love Jihad. They want BJP to be secular and progressive and treading on the middle path. They want BJP to become like Congress so they could love and hug the party in power without suffering any guilt or loss of face. All of a sudden, Modi and Amit Shah have become moderates because the rambunctious Gorakhpur Yogi has hijacked the "agenda". Modi's vision has found acceptance among liberals who, just the other day, thought Advani was the moderate, secular face that Modi wasn't. Before that, they believed Vajpayee was inclusive and Advani was the rath-riding Hindutva hood. There is a pattern that shows how the liberal landscape has shrunk as anti-Hindutva forces have surrendered acres by giving in inch by inch. Let's talk about UP The surprising saffron sweep of UP in the Lok Sabha elections didn't happen because people in the Hindi heartland suddenly discovered love for development and governance. If they loved development over narrow caste- and community-focused politics, they wouldn't have given the Samajwadi Party the majority it got in 2012 Vidhan Sabha elections. The Hindi heartland voted for the BJP because Modi represented Hindutva. He was seen as a strong, no-nonsense Hindu leader who would deliver them from the overtly minority-centric politics of Samajwadi Party and the Congress's neglect of the middle class. The question that perturbs pundits is this: Why did the same electorate not vote for the BJP just three months down the line? Well, because they didn't feel the need to. The bypolls were not bringing in any change. Look at the pathetically low turnout in UP and you have your answer. The BJP voter simply didn't come out in hordes like they did in April-May because the last election was about change and the bypolls were about status quo. The Samajwadi Party managed to make its voters move. Sorry to pr*ck your thought bubble The critics of the BJP believe the party will learn the lesson that divisive politics doesn't pay and would correct its course. They are headed for disappointment. Modi represented hardline Hindutva in Lok Sabha elections. He did wrap it all in development and good governance of the Gujarat Model. But the wrapper doesn't matter, the content does. +Hindutva is the core of the BJP's ideology. Contrary to the liberal wish, the rhetoric will get sharper, the polarisation more pronounced. And much to their horror, it may well deliver when it matters. Modi, Yogi and Amit Shah aren't on different pages. Their critics reading out a different page in TV studios are.
G_B_ Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 dailyyo? where do these media outlets come from.
diga Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 another gem from Uma Bharti :wall: :facepalm: A year after floods devastated Kedarnath, Union water resources minister Uma Bharti has revealed the “underlying†cause of the disaster -- defecation near the shrine by non-believers. Her observations came during an interaction with experts – albeit bemused -- of the Dehradun-based Himalayan Institute of Glaciology and Forest Research Institute. Pointing out that human excretory activities were forbidden within the natural boundary formed by the Mandakini and Saraswati rivers which flowed near the shrine in 1882, Bharti said, “However, as time passed, atheists came here, mainly for business purposes. This resulted in nature’s fury at Kedarnath in 2013â€.
Precambrian Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 another gem from Uma Bharti :wall: :facepalm: Could've been a tongue-in-cheek comment. Making mountains of molehills.
Raghav_12 Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 another gem from Uma Bharti :wall: :facepalm: Sometimes I wonder what assortment of people has been appointment as council of ministers. One says I have Yale degree because I attended six days course, other says this. Some solid comedians.
The Outsider Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Sometimes I wonder what assortment of people has been appointment as council of ministers. One says I have Yale degree because I attended six days course' date=' other says this. Some solid comedians.[/quote'] Not much else one can expect from an administration where the King Loony does not believe in climate change and the number 2 believes homosexuality is unnatural. Like I said earlier, these guys undergo some serious indoctrination with their fellow kacche waale for years to become this mentally messed up.
The Outsider Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Don't agree fully with this. There are sets of people who genuinely believe in lunatic ideas being discussed here but they are other sets of people who really don't care about these ideas, their prime objective is to use these ideas and first set of people for political gains only. Amit Shah never felt need to telling Majaffar Nagar jats to take revenge but did only during election campaign. Didn't he have any eye on political gains? Saying that they don't do it for political gains but do out of their beliefs is like Dravid's statement where he had said chucking is just a technical fault, not a crime. On topic, there is no need to be over joyous. These elections were just for few seats. We need to have this kind of model for bigger elections and that's where Congress leadership has failed India. I agree there are both kinds. Amit Shah comes across as someone who might not actually believe in these lunatic ideas, but will exploit them to the hilt for political gains. Whereas the likes of Adityanath and Uma Bharti along with the King Loony actually believe in the kind of lunacy they spread. Taken together it is a dangerous cocktail. Unfortunately, the leadership vacuum in the Congress has made the problem worse.
FischerTal Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Could've been a tongue-in-cheek comment. Making mountains of molehills. Lunatic in chief leading the parade
Khalpat Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Wow ! from Genocidal Manaic to Madar***d to Zaahil to Lunatic in chief. And why exactly is our PM called this name because he is working like a maniac day and night, showed great statesmanship in his visit to Japan, Nepal etc. Showed his initiatives for rescuing J & K people which was appreciated even by the opposition, Tightening the buerocrats who have started working, curbing corruption, Nifty is reaching new heights, Price Rise has been controlled, FDI inflow has increased, the weavers of UP have seen new initiatives but no he is a Lunatic and still the butt hurt because Congress is getting weaken. Lets not discuss what is happening on ground but discuss what the tongue in cheek comment of one or two of the ministers have said and how the media especially outlook Magazine has presented them. Who has given this Zaahil American any right to say these bad words again Indian PM. Go suck the d**k of Obama.
Raghav_12 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Sometimes I wonder what assortment of people has been appointment as council of ministers. One says I have Yale degree because I attended six days course' date=' other says this. Some solid comedians.[/quote'] And they keep coming !! Now BJP MP Hema Malini who herself might not have any kind of relations with Mathura but prohibits widows of Bihar and Bengal from coming to Mathura. Widows from Bihar, West Bengal should not come to Vrindavan: Hema Malini http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hema-malini-widows-bihar-west-bengal-vrindavan/1/383352.html We may have to create a new forum to absorb daily dose of idiocy that keeps coming from NDA ministers and MPs.
FischerTal Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Wow ! from Genocidal Manaic to Madar***d to Zaahil to Lunatic in chief. And why exactly is our PM called this name because he is working like a maniac day and night, showed great statesmanship in his visit to Japan, Nepal etc. Showed his initiatives for rescuing J & K people which was appreciated even by the opposition, Tightening the buerocrats who have started working, curbing corruption, Nifty is reaching new heights, Price Rise has been controlled, FDI inflow has increased, the weavers of UP have seen new initiatives but no he is a Lunatic and still the butt hurt because Congress is getting weaken. Lets not discuss what is happening on ground but discuss what the tongue in cheek comment of one or two of the ministers have said and how the media especially outlook Magazine has presented them. Who has given this Zaahil American any right to say these bad words again Indian PM. Go suck the d**k of Obama. Lunatic in chief refers to the Zaahil american
FischerTal Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 And they keep coming !! Now BJP MP Hema Malini who herself might not have any kind of relations with Mathura but prohibits widows of Bihar and Bengal from coming to Mathura. Widows from Bihar, West Bengal should not come to Vrindavan: Hema Malini http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hema-malini-widows-bihar-west-bengal-vrindavan/1/383352.html We may have to create a new forum to absorb daily dose of idiocy that keeps coming from NDA ministers and MPs. Read the frigging article. She's doing what her constituents want her to do. Hema Malini has echoed the local sentiment by raising the issue and asking state governments in Bihar and West Bengal to provide facilities for them in their respective states," Jagan Nath Poddar, convener of Friends of Vrindavan told IANS.
CSK Fan Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Read the frigging article. She's doing what her constituents want her to do. Doesn't make it right. If tomorrow some constituents want any religion or caste to be banned from a city that's what we should follow?
diga Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 and the best part is these non-jaahils have to tolerate this for 5 more years and probably more... :hysterical:
diga Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Doesn't make it right. If tomorrow some constituents want any religion or caste to be banned from a city that's what we should follow? she is asking them to regulate the flow of people into Mathura & reform the widows who end up begging... Its a welcome step if you think objectively
Raghav_12 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 she is asking them to regulate the flow of people into Mathura & reform the widows who end up begging... Its a welcome step if you think objectively yes.. she wants to reform only widows of Bihar and Bengal. Widows of UP need not to be reformed.Not much difference from goons like Raj Thakre who beats Biharis and UP wallas in Mumbai as he wants them to be reformed and stay out of Mumbai.
diga Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 yes.. she wants to reform only widows of Bihar and Bengal. Widows of UP need not to be reformed.Not much difference from goons like Raj Thakre who beats Biharis and UP wallas in Mumbai as he wants them to be reformed and stay out of Mumbai. FYI, Mathura is in UP... and the city wants to start by regulating the flow of widows & then reforming whomever is in the city. Its one plan & may be you can write to her with an alternate one if you feel
Raghav_12 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 FYI' date=' Mathura is in UP... and the city wants to start by regulating the flow of widows & then reforming whomever is in the city. Its one plan & may be you can write to her with an alternate one if you feel[/quote'] Nobody can have a plan which prohibits an Indian from coming and staying at any place in India. Be it Hema Malini or Raj Thakre. And herself being outsider for Mathura how can Hema Malini say that? Or she should have stopped from coming to Mumbai? why it should apply only to poor widows?
G_B_ Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Nobody can have a plan which prohibits an Indian from coming and staying at any place in India. Be it Hema Malini or Raj Thakre. And herself being outsider for Mathura how can Hema Malini say that? Or she should have stopped from coming to Mumbai? why it should apply only to poor widows? you do realize that J and K and Mizoram etc do have such rules in place right? Technically not all Indians can even own farm land. So there are a lot of things Indians cannot do.
diga Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Nobody can have a plan which prohibits an Indian from coming and staying at any place in India. Be it Hema Malini or Raj Thakre. And herself being outsider for Mathura how can Hema Malini say that? Or she should have stopped from coming to Mumbai? why it should apply only to poor widows? not all Indians.. only widows who come & end up begging. ps: one cant please all in all decisions
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