Was Imran Khan a severe and regular ball tamperor?

[Desi Cartman]

Mental hospital main pagal bhi nahi manta kay wo crack hai. :cantstop:

Pagal se yaad aya IjIDhTDq0fU

[Muloghonto]

& not even denied :cantstop: :giggle:

Do you get the difference in tampering as in altering the state of the ball to an illegal state, using an illegal item and tampering as in 'technically tampering' because of failure to notify the umpire on act of cleaning the ball with legal means to a legal degree ? DOn't let that get in the way of Paki hatred of Tendulkar though.

[Crookbond]

Denness has clearly said that he penalised Tendulkar for "cleaning the seam" without informing the umpire.

[ISIagent]

IMO' date=' all bowlers have done ball tampering at some time or the other. This is happening now also - lots of allegiations against the Saffers and the Poms recently. Imran was a great bowler even without tampering, [b']but his insane bowling records ( at one point in the 80s, he averaged like 14 for four or five years) would not have been possible without tampering more than what other bowlers do.

Even in India's tour to Pakistan (1982 - 1983): Player Mat O M R W Best 5w 10w Avg S/R E/R Imran Khan 6 223.1 69 558 40 8/60 4 2 13.95 33.48 2.50 Sarfraz Nawaz 6 241.1 61 633 19 4/63 0 0 33.32 76.16 2.62 Tahir Naqqash 2 61.0 14 211 2 2/69 0 0 105.50 183.00 3.46 Jalaluddin 2 51.0 14 152 2 2/93 0 0 76.00 153.00 2.98 Sikander Bakht 1 22.0 4 107 1 1/41 0 0 107.00 132.00 4.86 You can see only Imran was the stand out bowler, bakion ka bura haal tha. If he was tampering, why were other fast bowlers so poor? And if Johnson can get 13-14 averages, why can't Imran?

[velu]

Even in India's tour to Pakistan (1982 - 1983): Player Mat O M R W Best 5w 10w Avg S/R E/R Imran Khan 6 223.1 69 558 40 8/60 4 2 13.95 33.48 2.50 Sarfraz Nawaz 6 241.1 61 633 19 4/63 0 0 33.32 76.16 2.62 Tahir Naqqash 2 61.0 14 211 2 2/69 0 0 105.50 183.00 3.46 Jalaluddin 2 51.0 14 152 2 2/93 0 0 76.00 153.00 2.98 Sikander Bakht 1 22.0 4 107 1 1/41 0 0 107.00 132.00 4.86 You can see only Imran was the stand out bowler, bakion ka bura haal tha. If he was tampering, why were other fast bowlers so poor? And if Johnson can get 13-14 averages, why can't Imran?

because imran is the one who tampered :dontknow: he is the captain and once the ball is ready after tampering , he will bowl non-stop PS:- i respect imran for openly accepting that he did tamper the ball :hatsoff:

[Marut]

LOL at people bringing in Sachin videos of ball tampering. So, a part timer tampering the ball is the same as a strike bowler doing it? Ok, then let us discredit the bowling records of Tendulkar, and all bowlers who did this.

[Marut]

Even in India's tour to Pakistan (1982 - 1983): Player Mat O M R W Best 5w 10w Avg S/R E/R Imran Khan 6 223.1 69 558 40 8/60 4 2 13.95 33.48 2.50 Sarfraz Nawaz 6 241.1 61 633 19 4/63 0 0 33.32 76.16 2.62 Tahir Naqqash 2 61.0 14 211 2 2/69 0 0 105.50 183.00 3.46 Jalaluddin 2 51.0 14 152 2 2/93 0 0 76.00 153.00 2.98 Sikander Bakht 1 22.0 4 107 1 1/41 0 0 107.00 132.00 4.86 You can see only Imran was the stand out bowler, bakion ka bura haal tha. If he was tampering, why were other fast bowlers so poor? And if Johnson can get 13-14 averages, why can't Imran?

That is precisely why Imran was tampering. Johnson was bowling on wickets that had bounce, and Imran was playing on the flat SC tracks. You can't average 14 against an Indian batting XI comprising of batsmen like Gavaskar and Amarnath on flat SC tracks without tampering.

[rtmohanlal]

LOL at people bringing in Sachin videos of ball tampering. So' date=' a part timer tampering the ball is the same as a strike bowler doing it? Ok, then let us discredit the bowling records of Tendulkar, and all bowlers who did this.[/quote'] yes definitely...more over we have to consider all the factors associated with both these cases. In Imran's case timing,purpose,his own confession to doing it once, his country man's allegations, his opponents experiences ,lack of chances of getting caught(no enough camera work back in early eightees) all denotes to Imran doing it in all possibility.w.r.t Sachin it was made clear that time itself that he was punished for not tampering but for cleaning the ball with out informing the umpires.more over what did such a legendary batsman benefit from doing it? he was not the captain.bowling was only a rarity for him.lot more camera coverage of the match.so even if the indian team wanted to take benefit from tampering the ball would that be bestowed upon the most iconic figure of Indian cricket to do that for them? i just can't digest

[vijay50]

That's why i say for both Imran and Sachin' date=' their bowling records should be discredited. Their status in legends of cricket should be considered only on the basis of their batting numbers.[/quote'] Why ? Tendulkar never accepted anything . He was penalized for cleaning the ball and Mike Denness was removed afterwards for penalizing the whole team. The thing is if you want to remove all the players records because of ball tampering, then records of waqar Younis,Shoaib Akhtar , Afridi wont be left.

[thongale]

Topic is Imran and stick to that. You have the freedom to start a new thread on Manoj.

Tpoic is ball tampering and Kapil and Manoj did it so Indians cannot point fingers.

[thongale]

That is precisely why Imran was tampering. Johnson was bowling on wickets that had bounce' date=' and Imran was playing on the flat SC tracks. You can't average 14 against an Indian batting XI comprising of batsmen like Gavaskar and Amarnath on flat SC tracks without tampering.[/quote']So you are saying Safraz Nawaz bowled with a diffrent ball?

[thongale]

Anyone can tamper the ball. But it takes skill to take advantage of it. The truth is that India didn't had bowlers who were skilled enough other than Zaheer and Srinath for a period.

[SLICKR392]

Penalty for ball tampering is very weak .... if given the opportunity people will do it ... some better than others. At least Imran was man enough to admit it.

Admitting it doesn't quiet change the fact the he cheated.

[SLICKR392]

^ Skilled enough for what? What has that got to do with this topic?

[SLICKR392]

Tpoic is ball tampering and Kapil and Manoj did it so Indians cannot point fingers.

Agreed. But the topic is about how regularly he used to do it. Read some of the quotes or the OP before alleging others.

[Midfielder]

Tpoic is ball tampering and Kapil and Manoj did it so Indians cannot point fingers.

No let me help you with comprehension. Topic is Imran and his underhanded way. Let us stick to that. Except for pakistanis no one else points fingers at Indians. Imran was a low life cheat.

[rtmohanlal]

Tpoic is ball tampering and Kapil and Manoj did it so Indians cannot point fingers.

"Kapil was a very clean cricketer. He got all his wickets without doing funny things with the ball. Richard Hadlee was clean too. Imran will never be on top of my list of great bowlers," Sandhu signed off. - See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/pakistan-hold-the-copyrights-to-ball-tampering-sandhu/71306#sthash.Bw1psMBC.dpuf This was from an interview of Kapil Dev: Question: Are you saying that you suspected ball-tampering in '82-83 against Pakistan, or that Imran Khan was showing a new way to swing the old ball? Wouldn't you agree that just because the ball is being reverse-swung doesn't automatically mean that any ball-tampering has occured. How would you describe the treatment meted out to Wasim & Waqar by the English press? Kapil: I think we started imagining in 82-83 that the Pakistani players were doing something to the ball. They were given a new word, today it is reverse swing. Tampering with the ball is wrong. Re the English press: I dont know really - I haven't followed through in gory detail of what happened, can't give any comment. They are the two finest bowlers today. books.google.co.in/books?isbn=8170235073 it would be better of you if you could read these things rather than uttering non sense

[Marut]

So you are saying Safraz Nawaz bowled with a diffrent ball?

Sarfraz had a career average of 33 in the 70s (a pre-helmet era) and 80s, whereas Imran's was 22 odd, these were bowlers with different skill levels. Imran was better than Nawaz, with or without tampering. The allegiation is also that Imran would bowl a lot of overs in succession after the tampering, so he had a better chance than others. Anyways, a bowler who averaged 14 odd in 23 tests between 1982-86, and himself admits of tampering, is a confirmed tamperer. Almost like Johnson maintaining the Ashes form for five successive tours.

[Sajid_Rana]

"Kapil was a very clean cricketer. He got all his wickets without doing funny things with the ball. Richard Hadlee was clean too. Imran will never be on top of my list of great bowlers' date=" Sandhu signed off. - See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/pakistan-hold-the-copyrights-to-ball-tampering-sandhu/71306#sthash.Bw1psMBC.dpufe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/762677.stm

[rtmohanlal]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/762677.stm

we all know the 2 parties involved in this entire saga. Kapil and Manoj.but the irony as we all know is that Manoj himself was found guilty of match fixing. and we all saw Kapil getting emotional and rejecting all the claims. more over no one other than Manoj accused Kapil of this.and none other than Viv Richards came in support of Kapil stating that he didn't believe in Kapil of all people doing it. this is not the case with Imran with several people accusing him.more over what makes ball tampering different from match fixing is that it affects the greatness of a player which i feel has happend to Imran a lot by now as well as his image as a nice fellow where as in match fixing it only affects the character of the player involved based on the depth of the roll played in it.