seedhi Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Let's cut the crap on the India-Pakistan border tension Four reasons why the current exchange of fire on the India-Pakistan border is unprecedented. Shiv Aroor ........... Here are four reasons why the current exchange on the border is unprecedented in the steadily tenuous 11-year history of the India-Pak ceasefire. 1) As the lead story in today's Mail Today reports, the Pakistan establishment, fattened for years on the impression that an Indian retaliation will be token and result in no real damage, was shaken by the swiftness and intensity of the response. Nobody will confirm this for you officially, but every Pakistani shell that landed in Jammu triggered ten Indian shells smashing into Pakistan. Fire included the use of rocket-propelled grenades. 2) The Indian forces operating on the international border and along the LoC, to the south of Pir Panjal, specifically targeted permanent fortifications, bunkers and defences built by the Pakistan Army and other agencies primarily as border outposts, but also to facilitate infiltration of terrorists. Again, you'll never have an official confirmation but the political leadership has been briefed by the Army about severe damage to the bunkers in several locations. 3) Beyond the public statements - or lack thereof - from the political establishment, there was no political diffidence within the security command structure. The message to the forces on the ground was clear. There was no hesitation. In public, the message was that Pakistan could forget about talks until its guns fell silent. On the phone and in operations rooms, it was less ambiguous: do what's necessary to make those guns fall silent; the message has to be unmistakable. As anyone will tell you, a commander on the ground values clarity from the civilian leadership as much, if not more than the trust of his forces. The BSF and Army had a sharp brief: graduate your responses, but shake the Pakistanis off their gun positions. 4) There was clarity in the government's own public voice too. It was simple: everybody wants peace. India wants peace and isn't an aggressor, but let there be no mistaking that for weakness. It is precisely the opposite -- a distinct lack of clarity, of political purpose, of Delhi's approach in the past that has emboldened the impunity with which Pakistan provoked in 2013. Pakistan has in the past, been allowed to exploit the confounding and dangerous interference of Delhi's political impulse for peace with the more immediate need for the resolution of a tactical situation on the border. This time there was no interference. The message was clear: Prime Minister Narendra Modi today backhanded the clamour for him to speak about the border tension by saying our guns were doing the talking. Defence minister Arun Jaitley's statement was less of a cowboy quip, but said it clearer: "Pakistan, in these attacks, has clearly been the aggressor. But it must realise that our deterrence will be credible. If Pakistan persists with this adventurism our forces will make the cost of this adventurism unaffordable." ................. http://www.dailyo.in/opinion/border-tension-lets-cut-the-crap/story/1/330.html
Debutant Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Jasoos bro, massive respect for you :hatsoff: You are writing what I always thought about those two
Jason Voorhees Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Thank you Modi. Finally a man with guts. I'm very happy.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 If the Govt really give the forces full autonomy to respond as they liked then well done :hatsoff:
Crookbond Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 We did not do any flag meeting with the pakis this time. They stopped on their own. That is one qualitative difference. We held two flag meetings even after "unprovoked fire" from Pakistan. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/india-pakistan-hold-second-flag-meeting-in-suchetgarh-sector/ After a continuous exchange of fire along the international border from Samba to Kanachak in Jammu & Kashmir for the last 45 days, both India and Pakistan on Friday held an over three-hour long sector commander level flag meeting in Suchetgarh sector on Friday . .... The flag meeting, second since Wednesday, as the first one was held in Pargwal where Pakistani Rangers resorted to unprovoked firing on BSF positions yesterday, started at Octroi post in Suchetgarh sector at 4.30 am. At the meeting, which concluded at 8 pm, Pakistani Rangers were represented by Brigadier Mateen Khan and BSF DIG B S Khatana.
Raghav_12 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 We held two flag meetings even after "unprovoked fire" from Pakistan. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/india-pakistan-hold-second-flag-meeting-in-suchetgarh-sector/ Liar ??
seedhi Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 We held two flag meetings even after "unprovoked fire" from Pakistan. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/india-pakistan-hold-second-flag-meeting-in-suchetgarh-sector/WTF man!? This news you have posted is from August, I was talking of the recent hostilities which started on Oct 2.
seedhi Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Liar ??At least check the date of the news he posted. It is from August. We are talking of this latest round of hostilities. This is what the soldiers say as reported by Harinder Baweja of HT: .... After they received clear instructions not to seek a flag meeting and to retaliate effectively, senior officers at the BSF’s frontier headquarters often begin sentences with, “gone are the days...†“Gone are the days when we were told to hold flag meetings... Gone are the days when we were told to be restrained... Gone are the days when we were told peace will be affected...†..... http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/centre-s-bullet-for-bullet-policy-lifts-morale-of-forces/article1-1274079.aspx
sticky wicket Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Does Shiv Aroor have direct access to commanders, Modi, or Jaitley :hmmm: He seems to be making too many sweeping statements, he starts of saying "it isn't known in public but yada yada...."
Sachin=GOD Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Does Shiv Aroor have direct access to commanders, Modi, or Jaitley :hmmm: He seems to be making too many sweeping statements, he starts of saying "it isn't known in public but yada yada...." As far as Armed forces are concerned, he is one of the very few Indian journalists who know what they are talking about.
Shunya Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 man...these aaptards are seriously becoming nauseating with their HATE....its like the brainwashed propaganda machines which continuosly twist/lie everything about Modi....seriously this is not even a bit of constructive opposition...this is clear cut bullshit propaganda... idiots..
Crookbond Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 WTF man!? This news you have posted is from August' date=' I was talking of the recent hostilities which started on Oct 2.[/quote'] Just posting like you man. Here's what you said No mention of August or October. In fact, we did flag meetings despite "unprovoked firings".
Number Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Rahul Kanwal @rahulkanwal Oct 10 Army officers I'm speaking to are delighted they finally have a free hand to retaliate to Pak firing. Previous Govt's eschewed escalation
Gollum Posted October 11, 2014 Author Posted October 11, 2014 Keep calm and trust Namo, the savior of India. :finger: to chewtiya anti national AAPterds, Congressis and pseudo secularists.
seedhi Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Just posting like you man. Here's what you said No mention of August or October. In fact, we did flag meetings despite "unprovoked firings".When was this thread started? "This time" refers to the recent round of hostilities, which are mentioned in the the OP and the articles I posted. You are trying to be too clever by half since I exposed your pathetic lying and back tracking in the other thread.
veer Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Does Shiv Aroor have direct access to commanders, Modi, or Jaitley :hmmm: He seems to be making too many sweeping statements, he starts of saying "it isn't known in public but yada yada...." From his twitter account, it looks like he is staying in co..nflict zone and has access to army somehow. looks knowledgable and blunt
sticky wicket Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 From his twitter account' date=' it looks like he is staying in co..nflict zone and has access to army somehow. looks knowledgable and blunt[/quote'] Fair enough But hopefully it is better these statements come directly officially from military and MoD spokesman from direct tv broadcasts, like they do with US announcements on military actions. With these border skirmishes, A Jaitley should be on telly givinng weekly official updates what military and gov took and results.
Crookbond Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 When was this thread started? "This time" refers to the recent round of hostilities, which are mentioned in the the OP and the articles I posted. You are trying to be too clever by half since I exposed your pathetic lying and back tracking in the other thread. Awww ... choo cute! A person who has been banned multiple times for spreading xenophobia is giving moral lectures.
Crookbond Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 From his twitter account' date=' [b']it looks like he is staying in co..nflict zone and has access to army somehow. looks knowledgable and blunt Kuch Bhi! Shiv Aroor stays in Delhi. The reason he has access is due to "network".
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Modi govt. Giving befitting reply to the Pak Army.After a decade of MMS and Khangress and Rahul Baba finally we have a PM who has guts.
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