Dhoni criticises state teams for overbowling quicks

[bulbul]

Question is about which bowler Dhoni is complaining? He rarely played multiple express bowlers at same time.

[vijay50]

Major bowlers and number of overs they sent down this season Vinay Kumar - 480 overs A Mithun - 462 Rishi Dhawan - 410 Pankaj Singh- 360 Dinda - 384 These guys are averaging 80-95 overs per month and that too over 4-5 months which is going to make them cut down on their pace to make it through the season. No wonder then they lose speeds. Dhoni's point is a well thought out one. There is zero planning from state associations side when it comes to handling of fast bowlers. The motto is simple, extract maximum while you can. Rishi Dhawan is such a promising all rounder. But expect him to join the ranks of Vinay Kumar/Joginder Sharma sooner than later.

So the solution is to have a cap on how much domestic overs a fast bowler can bowl in tests. Say a cap of 250 overs in a year for a player.

[mishra]

So the solution is to have a cap on how much domestic overs a fast bowler can bowl in tests. Say a cap of 250 overs in a year for a player.

Our weather doesnt help fast bowlers to stay fit. lets accept it and work accordingly. Cap seems very good proposition. There should be cap per match too.

[The Realist]

Crapinfo really infuriates me with their constant and incorrect use of the word "ordinary". If something is poor or rubbish then simply say it ffs. Its no wonder they are losing readers when they write incoherent nonsense.

[Precambrian]

So the solution is to have a cap on how much domestic overs a fast bowler can bowl in tests. Say a cap of 250 overs in a year for a player.

Yep, a cap not just on overall number of overs, but right upto number of overs in a day and in a spell. For that our selectors, BCCI and NCA needs to work together, identify prior to a season who are the 10 pace bowlers they want to really focus on in a year, and then provide specialized care - including a developer/rookie contract if need be, on these players. Having the security of a contract, even though not considered immediately for national selection, will motivate these guys to focus on developing their core skills, including pace, without having the overt burden of having to shoulder their domestic attacks and being a workhorse. No such young bowler should be made to bowl more than 4-5 overs in a spell and over 15 overs a day. Especially if the conditions are "hot" (over 30-32 degrees). However in such 4 over spells, they should be encouraged to go "all out" - blazing with full power. Yes, they will prove to be expensive sometimes, but genuine fast bowlers need to put aggression over caution if they have to sustain a fruitful career. But BCCI should also ensure they play their full quota of domestic matches - since sustained work ethic is what develops great cricketers. Not concentrated work patterns.

[bulbul]

Better the bowlers doesn't play at all. If Captains/Coaches have to plan for bowlers work load how can they win matches? Every country follows workload for bowlers who regularly play international cricket. That also when the bowler was injured and having few practice matches or during international break. End of day domestic captains/coaches need to make sure their team wins.

[Marut]

:hysterical: Is this a joke? Bowlers bowl a maximum of 60 odd overs in two months of IPL. Compare that with 40-50 they do in a single dom match? Crapinfo

Players don't just bowl in games. IPL franchisees could be making the bowlers over bowl during practice sessions, in an attempt to be very competitive at the IPL. Because they are paying them huge amounts of money the players will find it difficult to complain.

[mishra]

Question is about which bowler Dhoni is complaining? He rarely played multiple express bowlers at same time.

Ishant :hehe:

[Sidhoni]

On a comparison, Aussie bowlers this FC season Doug Bollinger - 216 overs Peter Siddle - 215 overs Sandhu - 204 overs Nathan Coulter Nile - 196 overs Ben Hilfenhaus - 177 overs Sean Abbott - 196 overs There are hardly any pace bowlers who have bowled over 300 let alone 350 in this season. And most of them are discarded guys like James Hopes or those who have no chance of making the Aussie team like Rimmington.

They have only 6 teams competing, so lesser matches too.

[Precambrian]

Better the bowlers doesn't play at all. If Captains/Coaches have to plan for bowlers work load how can they win matches? Every country follows workload for bowlers who regularly play international cricket. That also when the bowler was injured and having few practice matches or during international break. End of day domestic captains/coaches need to make sure their team wins.

Nah, you are not watching international cricket closely. Take example of Steyn himself. Has been relatively injury free for most of his career. Why? Managed workload. On an average, per innings, he bowls just 14 overs for SA. In a spell, hardly more than 4-5 overs. Further, he is not risked by made to play mundane ODIs. In his career spanning over a decade, he has played just over 100 ODIs, most of them in important tournaments like the world cup. His career workload is so well managed that there has been only 1 year in his whole career when he has bowled over 500 overs in a single year, across all formats. Same applies for Morne Morkel as well. Almost exactly similar work pattern. Compare that with Ishant. Ishant Sharma, despite being just 17/18, was made to bowl 546 overs in just 2008 alone. And he was supposed to be bowling at 150 kph back then at that young age. Obviously so much in so less time and at an age when he was developing was invariably going to cost him, thus injuries resulted. And to ensure a longer career, he had to cut down on his pace. Interestingly Mitchell Johnson is a perfect example which denotes the positives and negatives of managed workload. The chap was made to toil like a horse in his early years, clocking over 700 overs in a year in 2008 and 2009 - and that cost him dearly. He bowled another 530 overs in 2010. Within a year he disintegrated - and was out of the team. But he worked hard to fix his issues, and came back, and then his workload was managed properly. He hasn't sent down over 450 overs in a year since and remains Australia's primary weapon.

[Precambrian]

They have only 6 teams competing' date=' so lesser matches too.[/quote'] Only the best teams play more than 10 matches in a domestic season in Indian cricket as well, despite the number of teams. Most teams play around 7 matches only.

[Precambrian]

Players don't just bowl in games. IPL franchisees could be making the bowlers over bowl during practice sessions' date= in an attempt to be very competitive at the IPL. Because they are paying them huge amounts of money the players will find it difficult to complain.

"Could be", "should be", "may be" are all conjectures. Have you been ever to a nets? Tell me which bowler sends down more than 4 overs in a trot in any practise session. Remember what Dale Steyn said about he IPL? "A two month long paid holiday". :giggle: Practise sessions are there for any form of cricket dude. Not just IPL. :facepalm: These guys pay to make them bowl on the actual pitch not in practise sessions.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

I think he was talking about Mohit Sharma. He was bowling in Ranji before he got selected for WC. Not sure if he bowled too many overs.Can People who follow Ranji cricket shed some light on this ?

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Umesh and Shami needs some break. But they are going straight to ipl . Sad situation this.

[MK55]

Two 2 over spells should not be any reason for concern. Like Steyn said, it is almost like a paid holiday for these players. Bowlers should try to use this stint for improving death bowling. Don't think any of the world's top bowlers would be rested for a tournament such as this.

[Precambrian]

I think he was talking about Mohit Sharma. He was bowling in Ranji before he got selected for WC. Not sure if he bowled too many overs.Can People who follow Ranji cricket shed some light on this ?

Not sure. Mohit has not played that many FC games. But yes, he stands the risk of becoming a trundler. I was glad to see him bowl 140+ in Australia. But if state association are going to make him a workhorse then expect him to become another Vinay Koomar. I think he's referring to the likes of Dinda, Pankaj, etc who started out promising and later became trundlers.

[Precambrian]

Umesh and Shami needs some break. But they are going straight to ipl . Sad situation this.

Yes they need a break. But IPL is more or less like a easy period for these guys. 14 matches spread over 2 months, and max of 4 overs a day (that too in two spells) isn't going to have much of an effect on them. They are hardly on the field for an hour and half a day, that too mostly in the evening / night. So blaming IPL is really not it, on the contrary, IPL is actually the opposite of FC cricket, too much reward for too little effort.

[sensible-indian]

Excellent points raised by PreCambrian.

[cric_fan]

How long before the current lot turn into 70mph trundlers?

[Marut]

"Could be", "should be", "may be" are all conjectures. Have you been ever to a nets? Tell me which bowler sends down more than 4 overs in a trot in any practise session. Remember what Dale Steyn said about he IPL? "A two month long paid holiday". :giggle: Practise sessions are there for any form of cricket dude. Not just IPL. :facepalm: These guys pay to make them bowl on the actual pitch not in practise sessions.

The owners who invest millions on their teams aren't surely going to have it easy on their players. Star players like Steyn may be able to dictate some of the terms of workload, but the lesser and upcoming players don't have that luxury. Practice sessions are there in any form of cricket, but it is very likely that the workload in IPL is higher than it is while playing for state teams. Because they pay you like hell and you will under terrific pressure to work hard and deliver.