best player of fast bowling form india

[Marut]

I have just pointed out the difficult conditions where Kohli has scored, like Wanderers and Perth. The Melbourne pitch wasn't that flat either. No batmen scores everytime the condition is tough. But your belief is otherwise...what can I say ? Fact is ... the Durban pitch, where Kohli scored less runs, was a very flat pitch. Similarly, apart from the Lords test, first innings and another test in that series...the other pitches were normal ones. England did not have any sub 30 average test bowler either. Kohli failed because he was out of form. Just remember that when the playing conditions are really tough and the opposition bowling attack is very good...most batsmen , however good, fail far more times than they succeed. Most foreign batsmen used to fall like 9 pins when Kumble and later on Kumble and Harbhajan used to bowl on viciously turning tracks. Gavaskar , Amarnath, Dravid and Laxman failed many many times when both the playing conditions and opposition attack were difficult.

I am not trying to discredit Kohli's abilities. But I think you will agree that both Rahane and Vijay have made tougher runs compared to Kohli and have better all round numbers. Kohli does make it count big when the conditions are easier and has awesome overall stats, but he mysteriously goes out of form when the conditions are challenging - the English tour, the Indian tour of England, the world cup, even the ODI series versus Pakistan when Junaid was swinging it like crazy. Even while coming out of a great test series in Australia, he struggled all through the Carlton series where the English bowlers were swinging the ball. Kohli clearly has distinct weakness against the moving ball and barring the odd match or two, I am yet to see Kohli flourishing in swinging conditions like Rahane and Vijay.

[express bowling]

I am not trying to discredit Kohli's abilities. But I think you will agree that both Rahane and Vijay have made tougher runs compared to Kohli and have better all round numbers. Kohli does make it count big when the conditions are easier and has awesome overall stats' date=' but he mysteriously goes out of form when the conditions are challenging - the English tour, the Indian tour of England, the world cup, even the ODI series versus Pakistan when Junaid was swinging it like crazy. Even while coming out of a great test series in Australia, he struggled all through the Carlton series where the English bowlers were swinging the ball. Kohli clearly has distinct weakness against the moving ball and barring the odd match or two, I am yet to see Kohli flourishing in swinging conditions like Rahane and Vijay.[/quote'] This thread was about which Indian batsmen are good against genuine fast bowling and I pointed out that Kohli has been one such batsman from India. Good against genuine pace and bounce. I am not really comparing him to Rahane or Vijay. I have a very high opinion of Rahane. While Kohli has played well in 3 out of 4 away test series, Rahane has succeeded in all 4. The way he has improved in almost all aspects is laudable. Kohli clearly showed weakness against swing in England. But he was better in SA. He needs to improve his ability to play consistent swing without any doubt. I am hopeful he will do so. Since the time our players have not been able to play county cricket, this has been an issue. They don't get enough practice against swing.

[Muloghonto]

Dude did you see the scores in that series? He was miserable against all bowling. He has never been successsful against Lillee. Of course it did not help his stats since Lillee was playing for WSC when India toured in 1977-78 and he never toured India. In fact' date=' during his prime Sunny played against several B teams and scored tons of runs because of WSC defection. By this I do not mean he would not have been successful otherwise, but this is a fact. Also, there have been several of openers who have had decent careers who were attacking. Never been a Sehwag fan, was mostly a STB, a great one though.But his overseas record isn't that great. In my opinion, Gavaskar is the best opener India has ever produced. How old are you? I have closely followed Sunny's career; have seen him play at Eden Gardens pretty much every time he played. I am well aware what he could and could not do. I idolized him growing up.[/quote'] It still doesn't change the fact that Gavaskar dominated Imran right through Imran's peak, he dominated the WI pace attack in 76 and 83 at home, when WI deployed a full strength squad. His only failure against genuine pace was in 83 in west indies when he had an injury problem. True, he didn't face lillee much, but Lillee did not dominate Gavaskar either. I am in my 40s, i grew up watching and idolizing Gavaskar too. IMO, he is the finest opener ever produced and definitely the finest opener in the last 40 years. He was capable of annihilating an all-time great pace quartet like in 83, something no other batsman has ever done. True, he is not as consistent as Tendulkar but i don't think openers can be as consistent as middle order batsmen. There hasn't been an opener like Gavaskar, who was completely comfortable playing blistering pace attacks as well as spinners on square turners.

[rkt.india]

Because' date=' 9out 10 times that would have been boundaries[/quote'] Not with Kohli. He has gotten out that way several times. He has a technical issue there. Haven't seen any batsman getting out more times down leg side than him. Sometimes, his shuffles across and his head falls away and plays the ball going down leg outside the line of the ball.

[SELVAM]

Not with Kohli. He has gotten out that way several times. He has a technical issue there. Haven't seen any batsman getting out more times down leg side than him. Sometimes' date=' his shuffles across and his head falls away and plays the ball going down leg outside the line of the ball.[/quote'] Lol at finding another technique fault in kohli batting, he will sent this balls to boundaries 9 o out of 10 times

[rkt.india]

Lol at finding another technique fault in kohli batting' date=' he will sent this balls to boundaries 9 o out of 10 times[/quote'] He has gotten out several times that way because he shuffles and lot and doesn't cover the line leg side line. Not just me, commentators were talking about this too.

[Khalpat]

I would say Mohinder Amarnath: These Port of Spain and Bridge Town Test match scores against Holding, Marshall, Garner, Roberts are examples of how he was lone warrior against hostile attack during India's tour of West Indies in 1983: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63336.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63338.html Among modern day cricketers, in my view it is Virendra Sehwag.

[SELVAM]

Not with Kohli. He has gotten out that way several times. He has a technical issue there. Haven't seen any batsman getting out more times down leg side than him. Sometimes' date=' his shuffles across and his head falls away and plays the ball going down leg outside the line of the ball.[/quote']