zen Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Instead of all this crap, why don't you backup the moronic statement that Gods had to descend to India ? So, 1. Do Gods descend on Good Lands? OR 2. Do Gods descend on Bad lands? Either case, no God ever descended on US or Canada :P. Does it mean they are considered beyond redemption or they were very good always? IF you opt for latter, then what about data that proves that NA was leading a tribal ignorant life till 1500 or so with ZERO contribution to the civilized world ? I understand that the empty vessels like to make noise so your habit will take some time to go :P Your questions are irrelevant to what I wrote and implied. Since you fantasize being an authority on English, read the post and that particular para again. Tell me what you understood and the crux of the post and that paragraph. Then we can go to the questions that you asked if required Also let me know if you are religious or not
Kalia_Test Posted June 12, 2015 Author Posted June 12, 2015 I understand that the empty vessels like to make noise so your habit will take some time to go :P Your questions are irrelevant to what I wrote and implied. Since you fantasize being an authority on English, read the post and that particular para again. Tell me what you understood and the crux of the post and that paragraph. Then we can go to the questions that you asked if required I evaluate posts and decide whether to give my 2 cents paisa on whether I agree or disagree or worth ignoring :P I gather that your rant was unthoughtful and you have no answer to the genuine questions posed by ICFers questioning it. The graph by BG exposed the false assumption irrefutably and I can understand you not wanting to argue further :--D It is OK. Mistakes happen in life. :two_thumbs_up:
zen Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I evaluate posts and decide whether to give my 2 cents paisa on whether I agree or disagree or worth ignoring :P I gather that your rant was unthoughtful and you have no answer to the genuine questions posed by ICFers questioning it. The graph by BG exposed the false assumption irrefutably and I can understand you not wanting to argue further :--D It is OK. Mistakes happen in life. :two_thumbs_up: :hysterical: bete, waapas line mein aa gaya na :P
Kalia_Test Posted June 12, 2015 Author Posted June 12, 2015 :hysterical: bete, waapas line mein aa gaya na :P Why don't you do your usual stuff? Assume things, create "facts", ...blah blah blah? :P
flamy Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 :hysterical: I shall leave you with this quote from an NRI “When you call yourself an Indian or an NRI or a Muslim or a Christian or a European' date=' or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.†[/quote'] :om:
Desi Cartman Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Oh man. This thread is absolute gold. Yes because it was started by a true Indian and not by some parent hating NRI
Kalia_Test Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 Yes because it was started by a true Indian and not by some parent hating NRI Ouch :--D oh divine NRI You know what - even Gods are not beyond criticism. If there is something to be criticized, it will be criticized. There are good and bad everywhere so no harm exploring the bad parts of immigration so that people are prepared. No need to be so touchy and insecure :two_thumbs_up: We discuss so many social evils and rapes, bribery, corruption, lack of infra,etc in India in every other thread. Wonder what the issue is if ONE thread is exploring the other side i.e the not so rosy side of going and working in another country. Things your NRI friend didnt tell you about America - here Just came back from my first three month long trip from America. Listed below in no particular order things that shocked me. Airports in America are RUDE. My bag lock got broken on the way and there was a huge poster inside which said TSA. I checked out with my friends there and apparently it is typical. Interestingly most of my indian friends there justified this as being required for America's security - I didnt really get it because I would have been more than happy to open my bag, or keep it open if someone would have asked, so there was no need of breaking the locks - amusingly all Americans I talked to about it said that TSA are a bunch of rogues - go figure. America is astonishingly beautiful. The skys are bluer and the water is clearer. The mountains are freaking huge and there are roads all over. Just rent a car and keep driving. They have a gazillion national parks and all of them kept in pristine state. I think America should stop doing everything and just open its borders for tourists. Politics is exactly like India. Ask any ordinary American and he will tell you why the govt does not work anymore, nothing gets done and how politicians keep squandering to every vote bank life right and center. The state of california has what is very close to a 'referendum' system where the people can vote directly on laws and the residents describe it as the biggest reason why nothing gets done in California. American school system is a cluster ****. Basically, the idea is that if you want to send your kid to a good school, you cant just go, pay the high fees and get him admitted. What you do instead is go buy an expensive house near the school so that you 'belong' to that district and then pay the local council fees and then your kid can go to the school for 'free'. This is somewhat similar to you giving a 'donation' to get your child admitted to a school with low fees and then calling it 'cheap'. If you cant buy the house, you are out of luck. The poor schools in America are exponentially worse than the others - drugs, guns and sex are available too early and too much. America is EXTREMELY segregated. Blacks live in black areas. Whites live in white areas. Blacks dont go into white areas. Whites dont go to black areas. No big deal. Blacks to this date face an overwhelming amount of institutional/social racism - but this changes depending on who you ask. Indians/immigrants cluster around known spaces - big cities like ny, sf, chicago and do not go much into 'inner' America. Apparently, inner America is not so accomodating to immigrants and there is a lot of crime. Even when they do travel to 'inner' America they keep to the roads and big hotels, barely heading out anywhere on their own. Even in big cities immigrants/indians dont really mingle with anyone. Indians hang out with other indians only and hang out with the locals a bit at work. The locals also don't like to mix too much with other races and keep on their own. (Source: an american who I had a frank chat with). Everyone though comes out as incredibly friendly. There is a LOT of mugging in America. All my friends who have been in America have been mugged atleast once, at gun point. The first caution I received on my trip was to hand over ALL of my money if I am getting mugged because people get shot more often than not. There are crime areas clearly demarcated in every city and all Indians studiosly stay away. Apparently, Indians are the easiest target. Also, NEVER leave your laptop bag in the car - glass will get broken and laptop stolen. Healthcare is a huge mess. 60-70% of Americans do not have comprehensive health insurance and any serious illness can bankrupt them if it is not covered. To give you an idea of how expensive the **** is, someone told me that a 5 mile ambulance ride can easily end up costing upwards of $5K if it is not covered under insurance. This is getting better with obamacare - though I couldnt get my head around to it. There is massive abuse in the system because doctors over-prescribe tests/medications because of fear of litigation and because the patients dont pay in a lot of cases. A lot of these tests are not required and more often than not harmful for the patients. America does not speak English. America speaks American English. Outside of major cities, most Indians have an extremely hard time even communicating to other Americans because they dont speak American english. Learning American english is as hard as learning a new language. There are poor in America. In chicago people will come up to you and ask for money, or approach you if you are eating a hotdog on a food stall to give them your halfeaten hotdog. Most of them are blacks.
zen Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Ouch :--D oh divine NRI You know what - even Gods are not beyond criticism. If there is something to be criticized, it will be criticized. There are good and bad everywhere so no harm exploring the bad parts of immigration so that people are prepared. No need to be so touchy and insecure :two_thumbs_up: We discuss so many social evils and rapes, bribery, corruption, lack of infra,etc in India in every other thread. Wonder what the issue is if ONE thread is exploring the other side i.e the not so rosy side of going and working in another country. Things your NRI friend didnt tell you about America - here "Just came back from my first three month long trip from America. Listed below in no particular order things that shocked me." So you are advocating people learn the truth about America through someone who has been there for 3 months vs. an NRI who lives there for years? :hysterical:
Kalia_Test Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 "Just came back from my first three month long trip from America. Listed below in no particular order things that shocked me." So you are advocating people learn the truth about America through someone who has been there for 3 months vs. an NRI who lives there for years? :hysterical: Any comments on actual points raised or is this your full response? :P Also, you are from Canada I guess so may not know much about US :winky:
zen Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Any comments on actual points raised or is this your full response? :P Also, you are from Canada I guess so may not know much about US :winky: Why dont you identify 3 key points that an Ind going to America for long term vs staying in Ind would hv to worry about?
Kalia_Test Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 Why dont you identify 3 key points that an Ind going to America for long term vs staying in Ind would hv to worry about? You can open new thread on the bolded and I will contribute . This is for NRI life :two_thumbs_up:
flamy Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 you've not made it easy to quote that post, so I'll just randomly comment about my experience. I would never live in NYC. Hate the weather, the stink, the crowd and just the general energy of the place. In my uni town, some of my friends' friends got mugged at noon. We were asked to never go out alone. I also observed general shyness and culture shock for most desis, they mostly kept to the desi community. The people from Bangalore and Bombay adjusted better than others from what I could see. This is only in my little circle of observation, so don't go postal. That was uni. I loved it but would not go back to east coast. I'm done with that shyt :hehe: Airport experience - first few times going thru immigration, I felt like I had to be on best behavior because of conditioning. Then, I dropped that shyt, and now am just chill. Moreover, Seattle, LA and Portland immigration officers always welcome me back with a smile. TSA is TSA. I tried to fart, I couldn't, so I'm not very impressed with myself :(( American schooling I know nothing about except from what my American friends tell me. From what I can tell, American kids have very little direction in the name of freedom. Indeed, my ex-gf said as much that she wished her parents would have provided as much guidance as Indian parents did. I am surely blessed to be born to my parents. Those that do make it to uni are super hard workers :hatsoff: I used to be in labs with undergrads who were taking the grad level course, and they would look at me with respect and shyt. I had the coolest hours, with just 3 subjects. It kept me busy enough but gave me and my roomies enough time for :canabis: and other lulz. These undergrads had 6 subjects and they would also work at the food courts and other shyt. Plus, one thing with Americans is they incur a shytload of debt with student loans. This is the major complaint here. Education costs are high. Which brings us to healthcare. I still to this day have no clue why a consultation for something like cold and viral fever is $150. :dontknow: It is indeed a total mess on that regard. OK, what else. Yea, cycles will get stolen. Phones and old IPODs sitting in plain view will invite your car windows to be broken. Even in big cities immigrants/indians dont really mingle with anyone. Indians hang out with other indians only and hang out with the locals a bit at work. The locals also don't like to mix too much with other races and keep on their own. (Source: an american who I had a frank chat with). Everyone though comes out as incredibly friendly. So, how is it the locals' fault? In the circles that I frequent, I'm usually the only Indian, also most of the time the only non-white. People are people. All the desis live near work where I'm at. I live out in the city in downtown. They get together among themselves, go to eat desi pizza, watch a movie, or maybe some local destinations during the weekend. I go to ecstatic dance, cuddle puddles, zombie walks, naked bike rides, transformational festivals, holi, dandiya, song circles, sean-nos singing and dancing etc. The holi and dandiya are the only places I have seen Indians. What gives? This is why you can't generalize. There are poor in America. :omg:
Kalia_Test Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 ^^^^ Thanks for providing your views.:two_thumbs_up: Very interesting and helpful for say first time travelers to US on what to expect and yeah apologies for not making my post easy to quote The one thing that was shocking for me atleast was the Healthcare cost. I knew Obamacare and how important it was but never understood the scale of problem. i read that people can sue doctors for millions so they are very very careful and suggest all kinds of tests. Doctors also buy huge indemnity insurance and this also contributes to exorbitant healthcare costs. On poor people, the article was for people in India. There are many in India that might believe that in US, all are rich people. Good points :nice:
flamy Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 ^^^^ Thanks for providing your views.:two_thumbs_up: Very interesting and helpful for say first time travelers to US on what to expect and yeah apologies for not making my post easy to quote The one thing that was shocking for me atleast was the Healthcare cost. I knew Obamacare and how important it was but never understood the scale of problem. i read that people can sue doctors for millions so they are very very careful and suggest all kinds of tests. Doctors also buy huge indemnity insurance and this also contributes to exorbitant healthcare costs. On poor people, the article was for people in India. There are many in India that might believe that in US, all are rich people. Good points :nice: Many people drowning in debt ad stressed out. But, they still have cars, TVs, houses and iphones :cantstop: My friend circle itself I have seen people like this. They don't have jobs but look so posh.
zen Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 You can open new thread on the bolded and I will contribute . This is for NRI life :two_thumbs_up: I understand that this is for NRI life. But what would be the goal for you to understand NRI life? Based on what you mentioned in your post - "Things your NRI friend didnt tell you about America", I guess that the purpose of trying to understand NRI life is to inform those who are considering moving to America vs. staying in Ind! So instead of typing and quoting long and irrelevant essays (including experience at the airports which is subjective and depends upon perceived threats that a country faces), why don't you lay down 2-3 objective criteria and discuss on it? It is easy to just say - "Based up on the research that I have done (including talking to people), I have the following 3 concerns about NRIs' life in America: * Point 1 * Point 2 * Point 3 Please clarify"
Kalia_Test Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 I understand that this is for NRI life. But what would be the goal for you to understand NRI life? Based on what you mentioned in your post - "Things your NRI friend didnt tell you about America", I guess that the purpose of trying to understand NRI life is to inform those who are considering moving to America vs. staying in Ind! So instead of typing and quoting long and irrelevant essays (including experience at the airports which is subjective and depends upon perceived threats that a country faces), why don't you lay down 2-3 objective criteria and discuss on it? It is easy to just say - "Based up on the research that I have done (including talking to people), I have the following 3 concerns about NRIs' life in America: * Point 1 * Point 2 * Point 3 Please clarify" This is not necessarily about concerns. It can be good things too. And I don't need to do any research. Not all threads in ICF are based on research - most start off with a news link or an article. In fact there are just handful of threads where it starts off with original research done by OP. On who this thread can be useful, it can be for people that are contemplating a move to make an informed decision based on real-life experiences of people already there, it can be helpful for NRIs themselves as they might be widespread and have approached things differently,etc On the points - you would have found them in the multiple pages of this thread so far. Anyway, one I have made above is Healthcare costs in US which seem exorbitant - not sure about Canada so maybe you can ignore or if you want to give perspective on how it works in Canada, then you are welcome. In any thread, participation is voluntary - Often times a simpler option is to ignore it when one cannot make constructive contribution :two_thumbs_up:
zen Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 This is not necessarily about concerns. It can be good things too. And I don't need to do any research. Not all threads in ICF are based on research - most start off with a news link or an article. In fact there are just handful of threads where it starts off with original research done by OP. On who this thread can be useful, it can be for people that are contemplating a move to make an informed decision based on real-life experiences of people already there, it can be helpful for NRIs themselves as they might be widespread and have approached things differently,etc On the points - you would have found them in the multiple pages of this thread so far. Anyway, one I have made above is Healthcare costs in US which seem exorbitant - not sure about Canada so maybe you can ignore or if you want to give perspective on how it works in Canada, then you are welcome. In any thread, participation is voluntary - Often times a simpler option is to ignore it when one cannot make constructive contribution :two_thumbs_up: This is what you wrote - "Wonder what the issue is if ONE thread is exploring the other side i.e the not so rosy side of going and working in another country." So if that^ was your original stand - you could just list 3 major concerns based on what you researched / read / heard / watched in a film / whatever, rather than posting long (and boring) stuff not many want to bother even reading
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