Autonomous Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 ^ ur perspective, your opinion... nd tbh its quite understandable why you guys or indian overall will never see all of its dimensions or even try to see it from any of Pakistan's perspective... Its too easy saying since Pak was part of creating Taliban hence they paying it back today and it actually sounds cool :) Sounds cool?
Asim Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Sounds cool? yeah just 'sounds'... as if its as simple n straightforward as that...
zep1706 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 ^ ur perspective, your opinion... nd tbh its quite understandable why you guys or indian overall will never see all of its dimensions or even try to see it from any of Pakistan's perspective... Not just my opinion dude. Many Pakistani commentators who are not deluded by Islamist hubris of the likes of Hamid Gul have similar opinion. You should read up. It is not an India vs Pakistan perspective. Musharaff was also not very friendly to India. But he was not nearly as dangerous a man as Hamid Gul was. He did what he thought the best for Pakistan. Hamid Gul had evil designs for the region. He was a terrorist with open access to power. The world is a better place without him.
zep1706 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Good article by Omar Waraich on Hamid Gul's dangerous legacy. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/16/hamid-gul-pakistan-isi-taliban-blowback.html
Autonomous Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Not just my opinion dude. Many Pakistani commentators who are not deluded by Islamist hubris of the likes of Hamid Gul have similar opinion. You should read up. It is not an India vs Pakistan perspective. Musharaff was also not very friendly to India. But he was not nearly as dangerous a man as Hamid Gul was. He did what he thought the best for Pakistan. Hamid Gul had evil designs for the region. He was a terrorist with open access to power. The world is a better place without him. +1 to you. Raising taliban and helping afghan war has just ripped us
zep1706 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Also a very interesting personal account by Shekhar Gupta from the 1980s. https://www.facebook.com/shekharguptaofficial/posts/988865137838288
zep1706 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 +1 to you. Raising taliban and helping afghan war has just ripped us It is a pity that more Pakistanis don't see it that way and are going gaga over how patriotic Hamid Gul was. I am sure he was a very patriotic man, but with misplaced priorities. He also had strong political ambitions and got ISI deeply involved in internal politics when he was the DG ISI which is never a good thing.
Asim Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Not just my opinion dude. Many Pakistani commentators who are not deluded by Islamist hubris of the likes of Hamid Gul have similar opinion. You should read up. It is not an India vs Pakistan perspective. Musharaff was also not very friendly to India. But he was not nearly as dangerous a man as Hamid Gul was. He did what he thought the best for Pakistan. Hamid Gul had evil designs for the region. He was a terrorist with open access to power. The world is a better place without him. ^ Terrorist? wow :haha: again no surprise :) the 'commentators' u mentioned who never agreed 1% of Gul's theories and opinions, even they do not doubt or say a word against his patriotism, He has 'Pakistan' in every drop of his blood... Apparently Mush's steps and decisions and damage Pak faced during his time are questioned wayyy wayyy more than Gul... Again don't tell me Gul is a villain for indians just bcz steps he taken in his times went wrong for Pakistanis after 2 decades, that too mainly because of Mush decisions :) The thing is a Pakistani vs Indian perspective would hardly ever be same, yes you can find each type of opinion here but you obv would like to endorse the opinion which suits your perspective even if its of < 0.1%... Following your logic, many 'commentators' call Modi a terrorist and they got their reasons, would you like to endorse them too?
Autonomous Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 It is a pity that more Pakistanis don't see it that way and are going gaga over how patriotic Hamid Gul was. I am sure he was a very patriotic man' date=' but with misplaced priorities. He also had strong political ambitions and got ISI deeply involved in internal politics when he was the DG ISI which is never a good thing.[/quote'] This guy has blood of innocents over his hands. Corrupt and deluded policies have haunted us and have costed troubles.
Desi Cartman Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 ^ Terrorist? wow :haha: again no surprise :) the 'commentators' u mentioned who never agreed 1% of Gul's theories and opinions, even they do not doubt or say a word against his patriotism, He has 'Pakistan' in every drop of his blood... Apparently Mush's steps and decisions and damage Pak faced during his time are questioned wayyy wayyy more than Gul... Again don't tell me Gul is a villain for indians just bcz steps he taken in his times went wrong for Pakistanis after 2 decades, that too mainly because of Mush decisions :) The thing is a Pakistani vs Indian perspective would hardly ever be same, yes you can find each type of opinion here but you obv would like to endorse the opinion which suits your perspective even if its of Yes, like its all drama. From Hamid Gul to an average pakistani, all major terrorist attacks are dramas. Read Gul Saab's views on 911 and I agree that Indians and pakistanis dont think alike, I guess almost no other country thinks the same way as people from Pakistan. :cheer:
Clarke Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Changing course of history by winning the cold war ? The delusion of some padosis knows no limits. Their leaders like Gul were short sighted courier boys, not game changers. Its as hilarious as the corrupt fedex delivery guy gifting someone else's new iphone to his family member and being regarded as Steve Jobs for the same.
The Outsider Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Changing course of history by winning the cold war ? The delusion of some padosis knows no limits. Their leaders like Gul were short sighted courier boys' date=' not game changers. Its as hilarious as the corrupt fedex delivery guy gifting someone else's new iphone to his family member and being regarded as Steve Jobs for the same.[/quote'] That comparison has got to be amongst the most hilarious ones posted on ICF, and this place has seen some pretty good ones.
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