This loss is to Dhonis account

[Ranjha]

10 minutes ago, asterix said:

Raina... Dhoni believes that Raina should bat up the order so that he gets maximum batting exposure and chances of survival... If he's forced to play a player like Pandey, who was not selected in the squad itself then Dhoni will go to any lengths to deny Pandey any decent chance to perform... That's how Dhoni captaincy works... That's how he promotes his favorite players while keep denying chances to those who he doesn't likes...

Why he didn't let Raina come ahead of him? He could have come after Raina then sent Pandey followed by pandya and jadeja..all these guys were not used...what was the point of keeping wickets and not using power hitters?

Edited March 31, 2016 by Ranjha

[asterix]

4 minutes ago, Ranjha said:

Why he didn't let Raina come ahead of him? He could have come after Raina then sent Pandey followed by pandya and jadeja..all these guys were not used...what was the point of keeping wickets and not using power hitters?

Because everybody knows that Raina will fail and he wanted to avoid any comparisons with young upcoming players like Pandey. He did so well to not even select Pandey in the squad but unfortunately for him, Pandey somehow got included... So he had to deny him any batting chance..

[Ranjha]

2 minutes ago, asterix said:

Because everybody knows that Raina will fail and he wanted to avoid any comparisons with young upcoming players like Pandey. He did so well to not even select Pandey in the squad but unfortunately for him, Pandey somehow got included... So he had to deny him any batting chance..

Damn that's some favouritism. Costing the team and himself the chance to win the world up to save his buddy...yaar ho toh aisa  loll

[CG]

Dhoni cannot play in t20s as he cannor strike it anymore .Its dhonis end with kohli in such form its only matter of time when dhoni gets kicked out of captaincy. 

[Ranjha]

1 minute ago, CG said:

Dhoni cannot play in t20s as he cannor strike it anymore .Its dhonis end with kohli in such form its only matter of time when dhoni gets kicked out of captaincy. 

Well said

[HippoSucks]

If anyone blames Dhoni's captaincy for this match, it is obvious that you have some agenda against him.

[Stuge]

8 hours ago, rett said:

As I said, hopefully Dhoni will do the right thing and vacate the captaincy spot (can continue as a player) 

 

As for bowlers, it was a small ground with dew .... even we made 192 for the loss of 2 wkts. A team if it goes all out will get that by even losing more wkts

His ego will come in the way of doing that.

[HippoSucks]

12 minutes ago, CG said:

Dhoni cannot play in t20s as he cannor strike it anymore .Its dhonis end with kohli in such form its only matter of time when dhoni gets kicked out of captaincy. 

 

Try guessing which batsman has the highest strike rate in T20s in 2016.

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;orderby=batting_strike_rate;spanmin1=1+Jan+2016;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

[diehardpacer]

If anyone thinks any other team would have defended 192 here,they are crazy.This loss is too similar to ODI losses in Aus.Like I said earlier chasing team will fancy chasing even 240/250 on this pitch. Barring Kohli,our batting failed.

 

Dhoni and selectors are responsible for not picking power hitters in the squad. Pandya should have been promoted today and should have bowled only 2 overs. Nohit, Hackwan and Rahane are neither T20 openers nor ODI openers.They just waste the Powerplays.

Edited April 1, 2016 by diehardpacer

[HippoSucks]

2 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

If anyone thinks any other team would have defended 192 here,they are crazy.This loss is too similar to ODI losses in Aus.Like I said earlier chasing team will fancy chasing even 240/250 on this pitch. Barring Kohli,our batting failed.

 

Dhoni and selectors are responsible for not picking power hitters in the squad. Pandya should have been promoted today and should have bowled only 2 overs. Nohit, Hackwan and Rahane are neither T20 openers nor ODI openers.They just waste the Powerplays.

 

Rohit and Dhawan are not ODI openers?

 

 

http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3474

 

 

http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3832

[Ranjha]

1 hour ago, HippoSucks said:

 

Try guessing which batsman has the highest strike rate in T20s in 2016.

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;orderby=batting_strike_rate;spanmin1=1+Jan+2016;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

He ain't a power hitter though.

[diehardpacer]

2 hours ago, HippoSucks said:

 

Rohit and Dhawan are not ODI openers?

 

 

http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3474

 

 

http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3832

This is what no body gets.If having a high average means winning matches,we would have won the ODI series in Aus.All our top 4 had brilliant averages.But at the cost of their SR and heavy dots in first 3 ODIs.

Our approach would have been great in the pre T20 era.But not anymore.There is no such thing as a par score these days.Whatever you score batting 1st,if team batting 2nd has good hitters,they will go for the chase especially in flat pitches.

Rohit's batting has evolved a lot.He will do well if he comes after the PP at number 4.No point in wasting PP just to let a batsmen get set.

I won't be blaming Dhoni's batting.All players lose their skills after age of 32.He has achieved more than any other Indian captain.But team selection and batting order need major changes.

Edited April 1, 2016 by diehardpacer

[HippoSucks]

2 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

This is what no body gets.If having a high average means winning matches,we would have won the ODI series in Aus.All our top 4 had brilliant averages.But at the cost of their SR and heavy dots in first 3 ODIs.

Our approach would have been great in the pre T20 era.But not anymore.There is no such thing as a par score these days.Whatever you score batting 1st,if team batting 2nd has good hitters,they will go for the chase especially in flat pitches.

 

 

Rohit's strike rate in ODIs as an opener is 89 and Dhawan's is 90. That is excellent for an opener. For perspective, Warner's strike rate as an opener is 91. 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Ranjha said:

Why he didn't let Raina come ahead of him? He could have come after Raina then sent Pandey followed by pandya and jadeja..all these guys were not used...what was the point of keeping wickets and not using power hitters?

Dhoni ko finishing touch bhi to dena tha finisher. He did finish with 1s and 2s. Dhoni ke ego ka sawal tha bhai. Dhoni agar finish karne na aaye to Dhoni ko finisher kaun kahega.

[diehardpacer]

1 hour ago, HippoSucks said:

 

Rohit's strike rate in ODIs as an opener is 89 and Dhawan's is 90. That is excellent for an opener. For perspective, Warner's strike rate as an opener is 91. 

Warner can afford that since they have Finch,Maxwell,Smith,Faulkner to follow.They got knocked out due to freak Kohli show. Our openers put too much pressure on Kohli and after him we have no one will start hitting. Pandya is not refined yet. Raina and Dhoni's age is catching upto them.Whoever plays in PowerPlays needs to utilize it to maximum.Our attitude to Power Plays is just too poor.Both Rohit and Dhawan shouldn't open together.

 

Edited April 1, 2016 by diehardpacer

[rkt.india]

15 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Warner can afford that since they have Finch,Maxwell,Smith,Faulkner to follow.They got knocked out due to freak Kohli show. Our openers put too much pressure on Kohli and after him we have no one will start hitting. Pandya is not refined yet. Raina and Dhoni's age is catching upto them.Whoever plays in PowerPlays needs to utilize it to maximum.Our attitude to Power Plays is just too poor.Both Rohit and Dhawan shouldn't open together.

 

With two new balls, it is not the same power play. You cannot go all out. No team really does. These days teams need to hit boundaries throughout the 50 overs and not just in first 10 and last 10. Smith and Finch both have an SR of 88 in ODIs.

Edited April 1, 2016 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Warner can afford that since they have Finch,Maxwell,Smith,Faulkner to follow.They got knocked out due to freak Kohli show. Our openers put too much pressure on Kohli and after him we have no one will start hitting. Pandya is not refined yet. Raina and Dhoni's age is catching upto them.Whoever plays in PowerPlays needs to utilize it to maximum.Our attitude to Power Plays is just too poor.Both Rohit and Dhawan shouldn't open together.

 

Rohit and Dhawan opening together in LOIs have these problems

• Both are bad if there is any kind of movement on offer.
• Both are not good if the pitch is even slightly slower and the ball is gripping the surface.
• Both are slow starters and take time to get set. This is even more critical in T20s.  PPs are very often wasted.
• Dhawan is not good against pace and bounce.
• Rohit fails too often in critical or knock-out matches.

Rohit has atleast done well as an ODI opener.  We need to find a new opener in place of Dhawan.  Preferably someone who can start hitting from the word go and is decent against movement, pace and bounce.

Edited April 1, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Rohit and Dhawan opening together in LOIs have these problems

• Both are bad if there is any kind of movement on offer.
• Both are not good if the pitch is even slightly slower and the ball is gripping the surface.
• Both are slow starters and take time to get set. This is even more critical in T20s.  PPs are very often wasted.
• Dhawan is not good against pace and bounce.
• Rohit fails too often in critical or knock-out matches.

Rohit has atleast done well as an ODI opener.  We need to find a new opener in place of Dhawan.  Preferably someone who can start hitting from the word go and is decent against movement, pace and bounce.

anyone who can hit form ball 1 will not be good against movement. Our openers are not real problems . They are as good as any opener in the world in ODIs. Our biggest problem is Rahane and Raina in the middle overs and lower order hitter, not Dhawan and Rohit. Take any opener in the world and the average and SR are comparable.

Edited April 1, 2016 by rkt.india

[diehardpacer]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

With two new balls, it is not the same power play. You cannot go all out. No team really does. These days teams need to hit boundaries throughout the 50 overs and not just in first 10 and last 10.

England,Windies,Saffas,NZ and Aus have big hitters after their openers.The luxury of keeping wickets early is there for those who can afford it.Heck even Amla saw this flat pitch and started hitting.

Roy,Hales,Guptill,Khawaja,De Kock,Amla have all used PP like it should be.If we have hitters in all positions,we wouldn't worry losing wickets early.Having bowlers who can bat helps them too.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

anyone who can hhit form ball 1 will not be good against movement.

I said decent against movement...not necessarily very good....but not as bad as Dhawan.