SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, express bowling said: It is more important to finish one's career with a high average as well as high impact. Number of matches have never been that important if over a certain acceptable number. Bradman, Sobers and Richards have played 52, 93 and 121 tests respectively. I would rather have Kohli retire at 36 averaging 55+ than at 40 averaging 50. IMHO, it is best for the team to use batsmen in their peak 12 to 15 years yeah I was also trying to make the same point high impact over long period of time people who havent watched sachin in 1993-2002 era think that he was no impact just stats player he is rated with don viv and lara as best ever wisdon named him 2nd best batsman after don in 2002 before he reached even 10K runs was that just because of stats no impact ? as far as stats are concerned 177 test ,14692 runs, 57 avg, 51 hundreds so kohli will have to do the same to be compared and would require at least 170 test if not 200 even sir viv overstayed and messed his stats ( avg dropping to 50 from 53+ in the span of last 23 tests) Link to comment
msplash9 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 9 hours ago, rkt.india said: He had likes Siddhu, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Azhar, Kumble, Srinath in this team. Was that a weak team? That's just one decent fast bowler and he was injured a lot of the time during his captaincy i think Well you know about Azhar :) God knows how many matches he had fixed Sidhu was mediocre outside India. Lax was just starting to find his feet Yes it was a weak team compared to the team Dhoni / Virat have Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, SUMO said: yeah I was also trying to make the same point high impact over long period of time people who havent watched sachin in 1993-2002 era think that he was no impact just stats player he is rated with don viv and lara as best ever wisdon named him 2nd best batsman after don in 2002 before he reached even 10K runs was that just because of stats no impact ? as far as stats are concerned 177 test ,14692 runs, 57 avg, 51 hundreds so kohli will have to do the same to be compared and would require at least 170 test if not 200 even sir viv overstayed and messed his stats ( avg dropping to 50 from 53+ in the span of last 23 tests) Tendulkar was a high impact and high average test batsman....don't think there is much doubt about that. He was equally good against high quality pace, bounce, swing, seam and spin. Another aspect was the entertainment factor from a good batsman. Till the '80s, Indian batters, who were proper batsmen with good techniques, were not proficient stroke-players ( barring Azhar who could not play pace ). Tendulkar was special to us as youngsters because of the entertainment he provided throughout the '90s while maintaining a high average against all kinds of top bowlers. His tennis elbow and bad back robbed the younger generations of the opportunity to be entertained by his batting in the '00s. My point was different....even if Kohli finishes his career with 120 or 130 test matches....but averages 55+ or even 53+ and maintains the impact that he has now for a large part of his career....his batting career can still be compared with the batters who have played 160+ tests. Edited December 10, 2016 by express bowling SUMO 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 43 minutes ago, express bowling said: Tendulkar was a high impact and high average test batsman....don't think there is much doubt about that. He was equally good against high quality pace, bounce, swing, seam and spin. Another aspect was the entertainment factor from a good batsman. Till the '80s, Indian batters, who were proper batsmen with good techniques, were not proficient stroke-players ( barring Azhar who could not play pace ). Tendulkar was special to us as youngsters because of the entertainment he provided throughout the '90s while maintaining a high average against all kinds of top bowlers. His tennis elbow and bad back robbed the younger generations of the opportunity to be entertained by his batting in the '00s. My point was different....even if Kohli finishes his career with 120 or 130 test matches....but averages 55+ or even 53+ and maintains the impact that he has now for a large part of his career....his batting career can still be compared with the batters who have played 160+ tests. I wonder if he can maintain 53+ (55+ seems out of reach). Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vijy said: I wonder if he can maintain 53+ (55+ seems out of reach). Kohli has started scoring big test 100 s now...last eight 100s have seven scores of 140+ including two 200+. He will perhaps move on to even bigger knocks with time. Batters with this tendency end up with high career averages like Sanga. Flip side includes players like Vijay and Mark Waugh....who have lower averages compared to their abilities because they usually get out or got out after getting their 100s Edited December 10, 2016 by express bowling sandeep and adi B 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, express bowling said: Kohli has started scoring big test 100 s now...last eight 100s have seven scores of 140+ including two 200+. He will perhaps move on to even bigger knocks with time. Batters with this tendency end up with high career averages like Sanga. Flip side includes players like Vijay and Mark Waugh....who have lower averages compared to their abilities because they usually get out or got out after getting their 100s Yes, I hope he will move on to even bigger 100s. adi B 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Tendulkar was a high impact and high average test batsman....don't think there is much doubt about that. He was equally good against high quality pace, bounce, swing, seam and spin. Another aspect was the entertainment factor from a good batsman. Till the '80s, Indian batters, who were proper batsmen with good techniques, were not proficient stroke-players ( barring Azhar who could not play pace ). Tendulkar was special to us as youngsters because of the entertainment he provided throughout the '90s while maintaining a high average against all kinds of top bowlers. His tennis elbow and bad back robbed the younger generations of the opportunity to be entertained by his batting in the '00s. My point was different....even if Kohli finishes his career with 120 or 130 test matches....but averages 55+ or even 53+ and maintains the impact that he has now for a large part of his career....his batting career can still be compared with the batters who have played 160+ tests. agree like sanga to ponting/dravid Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, SUMO said: agree like sanga to ponting/dravid I think he will easily play around 120 Tests, unless some extended loss of form occurs. SUMO 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I see him only one to score 300 after sehwag and many more 200s express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just now, SUMO said: I see him only one to score 300 after sehwag and many more 200s Scoring 300 is not easy with only 5 pure batsmen, of which some are out of form. Sehwag had one of the all-time great lineups, and could be secure knowing that someone like Dhoni came it at 7 in Indian conditions. His rate of scoring was also much higher than Kohli. Not saying that it's impossible, but it will be hard - first Kohli needs to score >250. Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: I think he will easily play around 120 Tests, unless some extended loss of form occurs. yes easily 130-140 till 36-37 extended loss of form wont happen but injury can Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 minute ago, SUMO said: yes easily 130-140 till 36-37 extended loss of form wont happen but injury can Assuming 10 tests per year, that seems pretty doable. Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Vijy said: Scoring 300 is not easy with only 5 pure batsmen, of which some are out of form. Sehwag had one of the all-time great lineups, and could be secure knowing that someone like Dhoni came it at 7 in Indian conditions. His rate of scoring was also much higher than Kohli. Not saying that it's impossible, but it will be hard - first Kohli needs to score >250. may be on some fine day, flat pitch against SL Zim bang WI bowling he starts playing like odi , 300 in 4 sessions Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 minute ago, SUMO said: may be on some fine day, flat pitch against SL Zim bang WI bowling he starts playing like odi , 300 in 4 sessions Well, he has already played against SL and WI. Zim would be a good option, but I don't know if we'll ever play them. SUMO 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Vijy said: Assuming 10 tests per year, that seems pretty doable. india playing 12 per year ... 12 x 8 = 96 in 8 years .. at this rate he will reach 150 test if he stay fit like cook but 80-85 is quite easy Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: Well, he has already played against SL and WI. Zim would be a good option, but I don't know if we'll ever play them. kind of pitches SL and NZ played in zim its quite possible even lower orders were getting 100s Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, SUMO said: kind of pitches SL and NZ played in zim its quite possible even lower orders were getting 100s Yes, but BCCI will prob not arrange matches, and even if they do, will 2nd second string team (like in ODIs). Link to comment
Sajid_Rana Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Kohli dont encourages the children to smoke like Tendulkar did in 90s by doing ads for cigarettes. randomGuy 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said: Kohli dont encourages the children to smoke like Tendulkar did in 90s by doing ads for cigarettes. What does that have to do with cricket? Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said: Kohli dont encourages the children to smoke like Tendulkar did in 90s by doing ads for cigarettes. That's the best you could come up with? All that did is show how much burn you are feeling that a bat of Tendy's quality was Indian. Link to comment
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