Mt.Rushmore for cricketers by speciality

[maniac]

If you were assigned to build a Mt.Rushmore for fast bowlers who would be on it. Since it is a cool newer version of  Mt.Rushmore I will give you a choice of  5 names instead of 4.

 

Here is mine

McGrath

Wasim Akram

Marshall

Ambrose

Hadlee

 

Closely missed out: Steyn

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by maniac

[Gollum]

Same 5 as you maniac 

 

Akram sneaks in because of his WC/ODI exploits and as the representative of lefty bowlers. Don't want to include pre-70s quicks. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Gollum

[zen]

Is it called Mt. Bowlmore?

[maniac]

Making it a larger topic instead of having separate threads for each category

 

Mt.Rushmore for Spinners

 

Warne, Murali ,Kumble, Herat , Prasanna

 

A leg spinner, Off spinner, A fastish leg spinner, A left arm spinner and a mystery bowler

 

just missed out : Underwood

[maniac]

Mt.Rushmore for batsmen

Bradman Sachin Viv Lara 

 

I will stick with 4 for this.

 

These are elite category. I don't want to put likes of Dravid,Gavaskar,Border etc because they don't belong to the same level as these 4

[Gollum]

36 minutes ago, maniac said:

Making it a larger topic instead of having separate threads for each category

 

Mt.Rushmore for Spinners

 

Warne, Murali ,Kumble, Herat , Prasanna

 

A leg spinner, Off spinner, A fastish leg spinner, A left arm spinner and a mystery bowler

 

just missed out : Underwood

Herath and Prasanna don't belong here. Herath has an average of 45 outside home, a complete dud in at least 4 countries (incl India) besides having no real ODI/WC success, Prasanna has been overshadowed my many offies. Underwood, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Gibbs, Swann, Benaud, Grimmett, O'Reilly , Ashwin, Jaddu, Lyon, Saqlain etc. are more worthy. 

33 minutes ago, maniac said:

Mt.Rushmore for batsmen

Bradman Sachin Viv Lara 

 

I will stick with 4 for this.

 

These are elite category. I don't want to put likes of Dravid,Gavaskar,Border etc because they don't belong to the same level as these 4

Sobers, Steve Smith, Kallis, Hobbs???

Edited April 28, 2020 by Gollum

[Vilander]

Batting

 

Bradman smith kallis lara 

 

I will leave it at 4 these are elite category of 1. Leaving aside folks like ponting dravid sachin sangakara..

 

Ok bye....

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Herath and Prasanna don't belong here. Herath has an average of 45 outside home, a complete dud in at least 4 countries (incl India) besides having no real ODI/WC success, Prasanna has been overshadowed my many offies. Underwood, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Gibbs, Swann, Benaud, Grimmett, O'Reilly , Ashwin, Jaddu, Lyon, Saqlain etc. are more worthy. 

Sobers, Steve Smith, Kallis, Hobbs???

Sobers and Kallis would belong on the allrounders mt.Rushmore which was the next one.

 

Steve Smith has not reached that elite category yet. You cannot rate a player In elite category based on a few years of purple patch.

 

Hobbs who??? Just kidding, maybe  in the same category as Dravid,Gavaskar, Border etc.

 

The 4 are elite who changed cricket, they are household names. Hobbs is not the cream de la creme.

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Herath and Prasanna don't belong here. Herath has an average of 45 outside home, a complete dud in at least 4 countries (incl India) besides having no real ODI/WC success, Prasanna has been overshadowed my many offies. Underwood, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Gibbs, Swann, Benaud, Grimmett, O'Reilly , Ashwin, Jaddu, Lyon, Saqlain etc. are more worthy. 

Sobers, Steve Smith, Kallis, Hobbs???

I tried to do justice to each spin variety.

 

Herat is one of the top 10 highest wicket takers ever, a left arm spinner( quota) and won his team a test match in SA a rare for a subcontinent team leave alone a weak test team like Srilanka.

 

Underwood was just an inferior version of Kumble glamorized by the likes of Alan Wilkins and Sky team. 
 

Bedi was my left arm pick but on volume of wickets went with Herath.

 

Prasanna in the freak spinner category.

[zen]

Indian spinners outside Asia:

 

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Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or South Africa  or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 40  and bowling average less than or equal to 40

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
BS Chandrasekhar	1967-1979	23	38	6202	2881	92	6/38	12/104	31.31	2.78	67.4	8	1
SP Gupte	1953-1959	10	16	3175	1378	44	7/162	7/164	31.31	2.60	72.1	3	0
BS Bedi	1967-1979	34	58	10145	3901	123	6/127	10/194	31.71	2.30	82.4	6	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1978	25	42	7174	2931	92	8/76	11/140	31.85	2.45	77.9	5	1
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2011	27	50	6817	3407	98	7/120	8/180	34.76	2.99	69.5	6	0
A Kumble	1990-2008	46	84	14215	6632	186	8/141	12/279	35.65	2.79	76.4	8	1
RA Jadeja	2013-2020	14	25	3439	1565	43	6/138	7/258	36.39	2.73	79.9	1	0
R Ashwin	2011-2020	21	35	5281	2575	68	7/83	7/121	37.86	2.92	77.6	2	0
RJ Shastri	1981-1992	30	48	6144	2439	64	5/125	8/179	38.10	2.38	96.0	1	0

 

• Chandra has 8 5-ers in only 38 innings! Mind boggling performance for an Indian spinner

 

[zen]

Indian batsmen outside Asia:

 

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Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa  or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000  and batting average greater than or equal to 40

Ordered by batting average (descending)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
R Dravid	1996-2012	63	117	15	5420	233	53.13	13	28	2
SM Gavaskar	1971-1986	46	81	6	3868	221	51.57	15	15	5
SR Tendulkar	1990-2012	73	128	10	6007	241*	50.90	18	28	9
M Amarnath	1976-1986	24	41	1	1936	138	48.40	4	12	3
V Kohli	2011-2020	40	74	1	3274	200	44.84	12	11	7
AM Rahane	2013-2020	31	56	6	2205	147	44.10	5	13	3
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	57	102	11	3856	178	42.37	7	25	7
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	41	71	6	2711	144	41.70	5	15	4

 

• Gavaskar 15 100s in 81 innings, opening the batting! 

[maniac]

@gollum I meant Chandrasekhar not Prasanna my bad 

[maniac]

Zen bapu come up with your rushmore.

 

Also stats shouldn’t be given here importance here, I mean George Bush might have been more days in office than Lincoln but Lincoln changed history that’s why he is on the monument. So who is on your Rushmore?

Edited April 28, 2020 by maniac

[maniac]

Also here is my Rushmore of guys who changed world cricket but are totally forgotten

 

Joginder Sharma- The man whose face should be on the every IPL trophy

 

Sandhu- that iconic inswinger to Gordon Greenidge that would set the chain of events to change world cricket forever. At that moment the balance of power in cricket shifted to India

 

Sachin the bowler- Sachin the batsman alone didn’t make him reach a god like status. His magical last over in the hero cup or his 3 crucial wickets in the 2001 Eden test and many such crazy and miraculous performances is what made him Sachin. Sachin the bowler is never mentioned as an added attraction for tourists I will put him on this smaller Rushmore 

 

Chawla: 2 time WC winner , Play him as a lucky charm alone.

 

 

[zen]

I will focus on Tests and feel that following are the leaders, below based on timeline: 

 

Sydney Barnes (1901-1914) -> Don Bradman (1928-1948)  -> Garry Sobers (1954-1974) -> Richard Hadlee (1973-1990) 

 

• Barnes: Impactful bowling performances
• Bradman: Impactful batting performances
• Sobers: All round impact. Widely acknowledged as the most impactful/the greatest cricketer of all time 
• Hadlee: Match winner. For e.g. NZ did not win any tests when he did not play iirc 

 

Those are the 4 on Mt. Cricmore .... The difference among other cricketers is not huge or marginal at best to pick one and leave out the other. Certain categories may not have too many quality options 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by zen

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Sobers and Kallis would belong on the allrounders mt.Rushmore which was the next one.

 

Steve Smith has not reached that elite category yet. You cannot rate a player In elite category based on a few years of purple patch.

 

Hobbs who??? Just kidding, maybe  in the same category as Dravid,Gavaskar, Border etc.

 

The 4 are elite who changed cricket, they are household names. Hobbs is not the cream de la creme.

Sobers and Kallis were better test batsmen than some of the names on your list. They would make both lists (batsmen, AR) easily. Hobbs is an icon, surprised you don't rate him that highly. 

[maniac]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Sobers and Kallis were better test batsmen than some of the names on your list. They would make both lists (batsmen, AR) easily. Hobbs is an icon, surprised you don't rate him that highly. 

Better than Sachin,Lara,Viv and Bradman? that was my only list. Top 4 creme de la creme of Cricket.

 

The Don- Legend

Viv-Changed batting

Sachin- The most popular cricketer ever almost god like status, became a brand and industry on his own. Cricketing accomplishments self explanatory

Lara- The greatest left handed bat of all time.

 

Kallis is a great allrounder, as a bat not as impactful as the rest but as an allrounder top 1 or 2 for sure.

 

Sobers has a case but as this is a fun fantasy scenario, I will put him on my Allrounder Mt.Cricmore as @zen says.

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by maniac

[nikred]

Is it called Mt. Bowlmore?

I would go with Mt. Rush-the batsman-more.

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[zen]

On 4/28/2020 at 2:46 PM, zen said:

I will focus on Tests and feel that following are the leaders, below based on timeline: 

 

Sydney Barnes (1901-1914) -> Don Bradman (1928-1948)  -> Garry Sobers (1954-1974) -> Richard Hadlee (1973-1990) 

 

• Barnes: Impactful bowling performances
• Bradman: Impactful batting performances
• Sobers: All round impact. Widely acknowledged as the most impactful/the greatest cricketer of all time 
• Hadlee: Match winner. For e.g. NZ did not win any tests when he did not play iirc 

 

Those are the 4 on Mt. Cricmore .... The difference among other cricketers is not huge or marginal at best to pick one and leave out the other. Certain categories may not have too many quality options 

 

If I wanted to add an Indian representation on Mt. Cricmore, I would nominate Tendulkar, not for numbers but for the art of batsmanship.