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Dhoni should be sacked as captain in all 3 formats!

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If not for his batting yesterday' date=' we might not have reached even 140.[/quote'] and also if he had not stopped balls behind stumps, there would have been around 25 fours through bye's for SA. That means additional 100 runs. I don't understand why people don't count those 100 runs as Dhoni's contribution. I am not even including how many oevrthrows we would have conceded, had Dhoni not gathered all those throws. :dontknow:

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and also if he had not stopped balls behind stumps' date=' there would have been around 25 fours through bye's for SA. That means additional 100 runs. I don't understand why people don't count those 100 runs as Dhoni's contribution. I am not even including how many oevrthrows we would have conceded, had Dhoni not gathered all those throws. :dontknow:[/quote'] :hysterical:

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and also if he had not stopped balls behind stumps' date=' there would have been around 25 fours through bye's for SA. That means additional 100 runs. I don't understand why people don't count those 100 runs as Dhoni's contribution. I am not even including how many oevrthrows we would have conceded, had Dhoni not gathered all those throws. :dontknow:[/quote'] Another guy just beating around the bush and ignoring the debate.

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Bodes well for India as I'm waiting for ending of Rocky III and Rocky IV and V. By the way Rockey IV was my favorite and if Dhoni can replicate the same in 2015 WC' date=' it would be one hell of a tourney for Indian fans :--D[/quote'] Adrian( Shakshi Rawat) should encourage him...

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Another guy just beating around the bush and ignoring the debate.
What is there to debate? Should a person be removed from captaincy after leading team to exit in super eights for three consecutive times? Should a person who led team to biggest even humiliation of all time in test cricket be allowed to continue as captain? Somebody who is not ready to acknowledge his mistakes even after being pointed out 100 times? I am not going to debate whether it was team's collective failure or Dhoni's failure. Dhoni has been leader of the pack and has to take some responsibility. That's what leadership is about. Team has been in downward spiral for last one and half years and nothing should be done to Dhoni. India lost 8 test matches but Dhoni can not be blamed because he was forced to have budaaoos in team and then we got rid of budhaoos. Now in team which played here, there was no budaoos, still we lost. Now we need to get rid of second wave of budaoos like Gambhir, Sehwag, Zaheer and Bhajji. Then third wave and so on. But nothing should be done to Dhoni's captaincy. Why,? Because what Dhoni can do if team is incompetent. Are if Dhoni can't do any thing as captain, why he is captain? To show his expertise in toss?

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What is there to debate? Should a person be removed from captaincy after leading team to exit in super eights for three consecutive times? Should a person who led team to biggest even humiliation of all time in test cricket be allowed to continue as captain? Somebody who is not ready to acknowledge his mistakes even after being pointed out 100 times? I am not going to debate whether it was team's collective failure or Dhoni's failure. Dhoni has been leader of the pack and has to take some responsibility. That's what leadership is about. Team has been in downward spiral for last one and half years and nothing should be done to Dhoni. India lost 8 test matches but Dhoni can not be blamed because he was forced to have budaaoos in team and then we got rid of budhaoos. Now in team which played here, there was no budaoos, still we lost. Now we need to get rid of second wave of budaoos like Gambhir, Sehwag, Zaheer and Bhajji. Then third wave and so on. But nothing should be done to Dhoni's captaincy. Why,? Because what Dhoni can do if team is incompetent. Are if Dhoni can't do any thing as captain, why he is captain? To show his expertise in toss?
I actually admired Dhoni's captaincy after the 2011 WC and 2007 T20WC...but he has really gone downhill this season. His impulsive decisions just don't seems to work anymore.

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even if you are a supporter of Dhoni, like me, it is undeniable that the work load is just way too much as of now. He needs to be removed from captaincy from atleast one of the formats if not two. Should still remain captain in ODIs but for T20s atleast, he has to go. time to give Yuvi the captaincy for T20s?
+1 He is over worked which is why he is losing his edge. He needs to be rested or retired from captaincy so that he can focus on his game.

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This isn't only about Dhoni. Why are you guys so obsessed with him. The team as a WHOLE performed really well to win 4 out of 5 matches but we as fans just cant appreciate that.
Stop that BS please. Dhoni made strategic blunders in the match vs SA. Holding back Ashwin despite getting early wickets, Rohit bowling that over when we were still in with a chance to restrict Saffers to under 121. Yesterday it looked as if he was resigned to us getting knocked out from ball one in the chase. His captaincy is stale, looks way too methodical, lacks any tactical acumen and at times borders on being arrogant. Just read what ABDV said and compare that to what Dhoni said after both the sides had been knocked out of the tournament.

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Stop that BS please. Dhoni made strategic blunders in the match vs SA. Holding back Ashwin despite getting early wickets, Rohit bowling that over when we were still in with a chance to restrict Saffers to under 121. Yesterday it looked as if he was resigned to us getting knocked out from ball one in the chase. His captaincy is stale, looks way too methodical, lacks any tactical acumen and at times borders on being arrogant. Just read what ABDV said and compare that to what Dhoni said after both the sides had been knocked out of the tournament.
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Dhoni likes to toot the horn about following the process and the results will take care of themselves BS and hence the unimaginative captaincy..... It is easiest to remove him from our t20 side without adverse impact so I say why not.... he isn't adding anything great to the side just like Sachin (who no longer plays this format) Also keep him in-charge of the odi side (allow him to defend the crown in 2015) He can also keep his place in the test side as a player/wk.... but I know for a fact that our gutless setup will never employ 3 captains for each of the formats so this is wishful thinking

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Wow! How many matches did SA win? Please also compare Neil Armstrong, Steve Jobs to Dhoni and see what they said when they lost. I am all for Dhoni to be shown the door in T20 but some people need to stop playing to the gallery here.

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Problem with Dhoni is he has reached some extreme highs and extreme lows. Nothing in between. Either win the whole thing or lose all matches. Pretty much the story of Dhoni's tenure. It is like first part of his career as captain filled with array of trophies with few flops. Second part is not even mirror image. It is more like array of flops and few near misses. Dhoni himself should volunteer to step down. he is captain of ODI,Test, T20 team for India, he is captain of CSK, he is also a keeper, he is also expected to score runs, he is also expected to improve his technique, he is also supposed handle the transition phase. Too much on his plate rightnow. Atleast in T20 he should hand over the captaincy someone different. Even great batsman will suffer when you overload him with responsibilities. He should take a step back and focus on just two formats. ODIs which comes naturally to him. Tests where he has to improve a lot.

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what has Dhoni done in tests to continue as a captain.Anybody in this Indian can captain Indian team in India and win what Dhoni has won.His overseas record as a test captain is pathetic. Even in odis most of his wins came in India other than tri series in 2008.Gambhir showed by whipping NZ 5-0 captaining India in India for ODIs is not that difficult. In T-20 he is disaster both as player and captain.India don't play too many T-20s anyway so removing him from that role make no sense, he needs to go as a captain in all forms. This nonsense he has started about rotating older players is utter failure Sehwag and Gambhir failed yesterday and all thru this cup but unlike nohit they did not waste so many balls Then we will see how long he lasts as a player alone.

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In India captains recently are changed when we lose a home a series or they step away as happened with dravid.Dhoni is not going to step away so we will continue untill a shocking home series.

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:laugh: Dravid stepped away when we lost home series - great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to decide the captain of the national cricket team. :two_thumbs_up:

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:laugh: Dravid stepped away when we lost home series - great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to decide the captain of the national cricket team. :two_thumbs_up:
:facepalm: typo.

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:laugh: Dravid stepped away when we lost home series - great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to decide the captain of the national cricket team. :two_thumbs_up:
:haha:

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Should be sacked as Test Captain and should also be dropped from the Test team. He can remain the Captain in ODIs for a little longer. As for Tontee Tontee - I don't give a damn who is Kaptaan.
Problem I dont see a single test captaincy candidate right now. In T20, we can make Kohli the captain. In ODIs, he is still our second best batsman after Kohli.

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:laugh: Dravid stepped away when we lost home series - great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to decide the captain of the national cricket team. :two_thumbs_up:
:haha: :two_thumbs_up:

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what has Dhoni done in tests to continue as a captain.Anybody in this Indian can captain Indian team in India and win what Dhoni has won.His overseas record as a test captain is pathetic. .
Not that simple. I will take you back to Australia test series in 2008 when Kumble was captain. Kumble captained 2 tests, 1st and 3rd and, we barely drew them, even could lose first test. Dhoni captained 2 tests, second and fourth tests, and we won both and we could certainly see the difference between the captaincy of both. So it is not fair to say that we will win at home no matter who captains the team. Give some credit to the guy. His best time might have passed, but he is not the first to face this. Yes, it is time for change in guard and I am in support but I dont see a test captaincy candidate in this Indian team right now. In T20, yes Kohli can be made captain.

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Not that simple. I will take you back to Australia test series in 2008 when Kumble was captain. Kumble captained 2 tests' date=' 1st and 3rd and, we barely drew them, even could lose first test. Dhoni captained 2 tests, second and fourth tests, and we won both and we could certainly see the difference between the captaincy of both. So it is not fair to say that we will win at home no matter who captains the team. Give some credit to the guy. His best time might have passed, but he is not the first to face this. Yes, it is time for change in guard and I am in support but I dont see a test captaincy candidate in this Indian team right now. In T20, yes Kohli can be made captain.[/quote'] Kumble captained in delhi which was one of the flatest pitch and bangalore we always somehow underperform. Btw if dhoni was captain in bangalore test we might have heard stories how kaptan cool motivated zak and bhajji to save us.

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Kumble captained in delhi which was one of the flatest pitch and bangalore we always somehow underperform.
Test captains can not be judged based on the performance in test matches in India. Azhar was thrashed by everybody when we toured. Then we had some teams coming to India and same Azhar started inflicting whitewashes. It would be very mis-leading if call on Dhoni is taken based on the performances in Indian test matches. As somebody else had also mentioned,in India Gambhir had defeated NZ by 5-0 in ODI's. So why don't make him ODI captain?

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what has Dhoni done in tests to continue as a captain.Anybody in this Indian can captain Indian team in India and win what Dhoni has won.His overseas record as a test captain is pathetic. Even in odis most of his wins came in India other than tri series in 2008.Gambhir showed by whipping NZ 5-0 captaining India in India for ODIs is not that difficult. In T-20 he is disaster both as player and captain.India don't play too many T-20s anyway so removing him from that role make no sense, he needs to go as a captain in all forms. This nonsense he has started about rotating older players is utter failure Sehwag and Gambhir failed yesterday and all thru this cup but unlike nohit they did not waste so many balls Then we will see how long he lasts as a player alone.
Well well, people can really make 2 + 2 =5. CB Series 2007/08 W New Zealand 2009 W West Indies 2009 W South Africa 2010 L West Indies 2011 W England 2011 L Australia 2012 L In SA 2010, we lost 2-3 the closest we have been in SA in history. England we were horrible and Australia we were below PAR - no doubts. But, you are making the other ODI wins sound a walk in the park.

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Test captains can not be judged based on the performance in test matches in India. Azhar was thrashed by everybody when we toured. Then we had some teams coming to India and same Azhar started inflicting whitewashes. It would be very mis-leading if call on Dhoni is taken based on the performances in Indian test matches. As somebody else had also mentioned,in India Gambhir had defeated NZ by 5-0 in ODI's. So why don't make him ODI captain?
I know bhai.

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Well well, people can really make 2 + 2 =5. CB Series 2007/08 W New Zealand 2009 W West Indies 2009 W South Africa 2010 L West Indies 2011 W England 2011 L Australia 2012 L In SA 2010, we lost 2-3 the closest we have been in SA in history. England we were horrible and Australia we were below PAR - no doubts. But, you are making the other ODI wins sound a walk in the park.
Dhoni captained in WI 2011 :haha:.great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to Defend the moron dhoni.:two_thumbs_up:

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Dhoni captained in WI 2011 :haha:.great cricketing knowledge folks. You are the most appropriate people to decide the captain of the national cricket team.:two_thumbs_up:
:embarassed: That was a mistake - point still stands though. :poink:

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Kumble captained in delhi which was one of the flatest pitch and bangalore we always somehow underperform. Btw if dhoni was captain in bangalore test we might have heard stories how kaptan cool motivated zak and bhajji to save us.
Delhi is flat for you then what would you say to Mohali?

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In India captains recently are changed when we lose a home a series or they step away as happened with dravid.Dhoni is not going to step away so we will continue untill a shocking home series.
Azhar - Dropped for Match Fixing Tendulkar - Stepped Away Ganguly - Dropped after drawing series with Pakistan Dravid - Stepped Away Kumble - Retired When was the last time a captain was changed after we lose a home series? :hmmm:

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Delhi is flat for you then what would you say to Mohali?
Dhoni captained in mohali' date='mishra played in place of kumble[/quote'] CG bhai, RKT ne question poocha Ande ke baarein mein aur aap answer de rahe ho Dande ke baarein me!

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Test captains can not be judged based on the performance in test matches in India. Azhar was thrashed by everybody when we toured. Then we had some teams coming to India and same Azhar started inflicting whitewashes. It would be very mis-leading if call on Dhoni is taken based on the performances in Indian test matches. As somebody else had also mentioned,in India Gambhir had defeated NZ by 5-0 in ODI's. So why don't make him ODI captain?
Its not about test captain then. Its about test team. If your test cricketers generally do not perform well overseas with bat or ball, you will blame captain for that? If you take overseas then Dravid was the best captain for India. Period.

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Azhar - Dropped for Match Fixing Tendulkar - Stepped Away Ganguly - Dropped after drawing series with Pakistan Dravid - Stepped Away Kumble - Retired When was the last time a captain was changed after we lose a home series? :hmmm:
I think Sachin stepped away before the SA series. And did not Ganguly also captain in the Zimbabwean tour in 2005? He scored a laborious 100 there. That was after the Indo-Pak series I believe.

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I think Sachin stepped away before the SA series. And did not Ganguly also captain in the Zimbabwean tour in 2005? He scored a laborious 100 there. That was after the Indo-Pak series I believe.
CG says a captain is dropped in two conditions [1] Losing a home series [2] Steps away I have doubts over Condition [1]. Sachin offered to resign after Australia 1999-00 tour but was ask to continue for SA 2000 Test series which we lost and promptly stepped away. Ganguly did captain in Zimbabwe but we won that Test series 2-0.

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I think Sachin stepped away before the SA series. And did not Ganguly also captain in the Zimbabwean tour in 2005? He scored a laborious 100 there. That was after the Indo-Pak series I believe.
No. Tendu was the captain in SA series at home which we lost 2-0.

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CG says a captain is dropped in two conditions [1] Losing a home series [2] Steps away I have doubts over Condition [1]. Sachin offered to resign after Australia 1999-00 tour but was ask to continue for SA 2000 Test series which we lost and promptly stepped away. Ganguly did captain in Zimbabwe but we won that Test series 2-0.
in that series Chappel and Ganguly had some altercations and Chappel wrote a mail which leaked in the media which resulted in Ganguly's ouster.

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:giggle: Mohali without green grass is the flattest track in India.
Traditionally, apart from the first session or so - there is almost nothing in it for the bowlers. However, recently I doubt even the first session has anything in it.

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in that series Chappel and Ganguly had some altercations and Chappel wrote a mail which leaked in the media which resulted in Ganguly's ouster.
Yes - So my question still remains. Which was the last captain to be dropped for losing a home series? CG says that that is what happens usually in India - I want some explanation as to why he said that.

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Yes. but as Dexter says' date=' he had actually announced his retirement before the SA series itself.[/quote'] Arreey ! But Australia series was not home series so does not satisfy condition [1] :orderorder:

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Arreey ! But Australia series was not home series so does not satisfy condition [1] :orderorder:
I was not trying to make CG's point right or wrong. I replied to RKT. I know that there have not been captains, off late hwo have been sacked for losing at home. Maybe he's talking about England and when they play against Graeme Smith's SA team.

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CG bhai' date=' RKT [i']ne question poocha Ande ke baarein mein aur aap answer de rahe ho Dande ke baarein me!
Arrey bhai ,rkt bhai soch rahe the ke kumble sahaab kaptan the mohali mein.

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I said captains are changed . Sachin was changed after sa series and he decided to do it after defeat in first test ifstories are to be believed. Ganguly final nail in the coffin was india loss to australia at home in 2004 and we drew against pak,after that it was only matter of time Azhar was changed after the asian test championship,i think.

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Yes. We just had one terrible day against Aus but apart from that' date=' we were fantastic, beating England, Pakistan and South Africa.[/quote'] u forgot AF that was also big win :haha: Ind didnt win VS england in a proper way, ENG lost themself so that they dont play big teams & paki & ind for contract what i think in WC to loose everytime winning against SA by 1 run???? thats a big win .. we know we hve to win atleast by 30 odd runs then score atlease 180-200 i think Dhoni should be rested as captaincy for test. nothin else or he can do pastic surgury of his face, i dont wanna c him :eviltongue: why dont u agree he did *****ed up captaincy in SA match

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