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Granted that AIMIM isn't a national level player like BJP or Congress but I feel it is OK to have a special thread to monitor this rabid communal party because it happens to be the fastest growing party in India and one that can cause big damage to traditional so called secular parties and influence election results greatly. Some facts about the party: 1. The party has roots back to the days of the princely State of Hyderabad. It was founded and shaped by Nawab Mahmood Nawaz Khan Qiledar of Hyderabad State by the advice of Nawab Mir Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam of Hyderabad and in the presence of Ulma-e-Mashaeqeen in 1927 as a pro-Nizam party. Then it was only Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) and the first meeting was held in the house of Nawab Mahmood Nawaz Khan on November 12, 1927. The MIM advocated the set up of a Muslim dominion rather than integration with India. In 1938 Bahadur Yar Jung was elected President of the MIM which had a cultural and religious manifesto. It soon acquired political complexion and became aligned with Jinnah's Muslim League in British India. 2. The Razakars (volunteers), a Muslim paramilitary organization aimed at resisting merger with India, was linked to the MIM. In total up to 150,000 Razakar soldiers were mobilized to fight against the Indian Union and for the independence of the Hyderabad State against Indian integration. After the integration of the Hyderabad state with India, the MIM was banned in 1948. The Razakar leader Qasim Rizvi was jailed from 1948 to 1957, and then he was released on the condition to go to Pakistan, where he was granted asylum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razakars_%28Hyderabad%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_integration_of_Hyderabad 3. In 1926 MIM's mission statement "Its objectives were to unite the Muslims in the State in support of Nizam and to reduce the Hindu majority by large-scale conversion to Islam" . The MIM became a powerful communal organization, with the principal focus to marginalize the political aspirations of Hindus and moderate Muslims. 4. MIM "had its storm troopers in the Razakars who were headed by Kasim Razvi, a fanatical Muslim educated at Aligarh University who claimed Hyderabad was a Muslim state and that Muslim supremacy was based upon the right of conquest”. This in a princedom where only 14% of the population was Muslim. The Razakars demanded special powers from the Nizam, which they started to misuse and the helpless Nizam had to abide by their dictates. MIM and the Razakars had the additional agenda to persuade the Nizam to accede to Pakistan, instead of remaining independent of both India and Pakistan. 5. The Razakar militia brutally put down the armed revolts by Communists and the Peasantry and committed horrendous atrocities on the Hindu population and even eliminated patriotic Hyderabadi Muslims such as Shoebullah Khan who advocated merger with India. Countless Hindu "women became victims of rape and kidnapping by Razakars. Thousands went to jail and braved the cruelties perpetuated by the oppressive administration. Due to the activities of the Razakars, thousands of Hindus had to flee from the state and take shelter in various camps”. An official estimate is hard to come by, but tens of thousands of Hindus and progressive Muslims are thought to have been killed. The state unit of the Indian National Congress was banned and its leaders forced to flee to Vijaywada or Bombay. The Communist Party of India also became active in defending the general population from the Muslim Razakar militia. 6. Before leaving, Qasim Rizvi handed over the responsibility of whatever remained of the Ittehadul Muslimeen, to Abdul Wahid Owaisi,a lawyer. Abdul Wahed Owaisi restructured the Party and Organised it into All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen. After Abdul Wahed Owaisi, his son Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi took control of AIMIM in 1975 and was referred to as Salar E Millat (commander of the community). Asaduddin Owaisi and Akbaruddin Owaisi are the children of Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi. :(( Kasim Razvi (head of the Razakars) RtpORh4.jpg Abdul Wahed Owaisi (lawyer of Kasim Razvi) IYUzoUE.jpg Salahuddin Owaisi(son of Abdul Wahed Owaisi) along with 2 of his sons Akbaruddin and Asaduddin XFnB9si.jpg 7. AIMIM's ban was subsequently lifted by Chacha Nehru in 1959. :facepalm: 8. AIMIM has always been invincible in Old Hyderabad but of late they have branched out to other Muslim majority districts in Telengana, Maharshtra(where they won 2 assembly seats) and Karnataka. They are also going to contest in UP, Bihar, Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Assam, AP, MP. 9. They are the fastest growing party in terms of % in India. Akbaruddin Owaisi, the fanatic Hindu hater is regarded as a youth icon by most Muslims, even well educated ones. His brother Asaduddin Owaisi is less popular than his younger brother but has more of a national appeal, he is a darling of MSM, pseudos and someone who can strike deals with secular parties like TRS, TDP, Congress, JD(S), etc. He is misunderstood as a patriot but he has the blood of Abdul Wahed Owaisi in his veins, he hates Hindus and India for annexing Hyderabad to India. His mild indifference towards Pakistan is celebrated by many but it shouldn't be misconstrued as love for India. He believes in Muslim unity, so Shia, Sunni unite under his banner making his party even more powerful. Also has a fetish for the Ummah. 10. Check AIMIM's FB page, the vitriol against India and Hindus is scarcely believable. Even Pakistanis don't hate us as much as these AIMIM supporters. Spreading lies , propaganda etc is the favorite passtime of Akbaruddin Owaisi and his fanboys. Right from Operation Polo(which they lie that 4 lakh Hyderabadi Muslims were killed by Indian troops and that Razakars were peace loving people) to fictitious riots in which lakhs and lakhs of Indian Muslims have been killed, these bastards have passed fiction as facts. They celebrate when Indian soldiers are killed in cross border firing/at the hands of terrorists, support Kashmiri separatists, Hafiz Saeed, 26/11, when our cricket team loses etc. And dear AdLibs, most of the members are Indians, not Pakistanis posing as us. 11. All their rallies/jalsas involve Hindu bashing, India bashing, Islamic war cries, Islamic slogans etc and are very well attended. Hate speeches are the common theme for them and are more spiteful than what Togadia, Sadhvi Jyoti, Sakshi Maharaj can together muster. Yet media never shows their speeches like they did with for example Varun Gandhi a few years back. In Hyderabad, Bhatkal, Nanded, Aurangabad AIMIM goons go around in hundreds shouting slogans and passing offensive comments against non Muslims. They are the most aggressive entity in indian politics, even put TMC/CPM goons in WB, Kerala to shame. 12. With their entry in so many states and such a huge following secular parties are going to suffer. A huge chunk of Muslim votes will be snatched from them and BJP is the only possible winner because of the polarization and vote splitting. Even Congress has turned hostile against them, in 2009 AIMIM and Congress were allies but now even Digvijaya Singh slams them frequently. Even regional secular parties like SP, RJD, TMC, JDU,JD(S), TRS are growing wary of the threat posed to them by this somewhat new entity and are calling them communal for the 1st time in history. Many of AIMIM's rallies in Maharashtra, Karnataka, UP, Bihar have been banned by the state governments. 13. The biggest problem with the rise of AIMIM is compromise of national security. SIMI, IM, Al Ummah, Tehreek Galba-e-Islam, Harkat ul Jihadi,Al Qaeda, ISIL have members who were sympathetic to AIMIM's cause/were AIMIM members at one point. Some 1000 Rohingya Muslims have been sheltered by AIMIM and they could be a menace for our IB. The SMS campaign targeting North East people in Hyderabad, Bangalore after the communal riots in Assam were done by AIMIM, KFD, PFI cadre. With AIMIM's patronage and a safe shelter for terrorists in Old Hyderabad(where even Telangana police fear to enter) the jihadis will be unstoppable and very difficult to nab. http://www.oneindia.com/india/safe-hide-out-al-qaeda-turning-hyderabad-into-its-stronghol-1545551.html Let us use this thread to discuss and analyze impact of this Razakar party on India, track updates and post news, opinions, etc

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I wonder what sets them apart from other regional Muslim parties like IUML in Kerala, MMK in Tamil Nadu and AIUDF in Assam. All these other parties have been unable to expand beyond the states in which they are rooted, while AIMIM has now made some significant inroads in Maharashtra. Did the Akbaruddin Owaisi anti-Hindu speeches work in their favor? What else is working in their favor?

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I wonder what sets them apart from other regional Muslim parties like IUML in Kerala' date=' MMK in Tamil Nadu and AIUDF in Assam. All these other parties have been unable to expand beyond the states in which they are rooted, while AIMIM has now made some significant inroads in Maharashtra. Did the Akbaruddin Owaisi anti-Hindu speeches work in their favor? What else is working in their favor?[/quote'] Places like Nanded were under Nizam rule. If you look at maharashtra they first made inroads in nanded municipal elections in 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanded-Waghala_Municipal_Corporation MIM will have presence in about 25 out of 288 assembly seats. With significant presence to win a seat in about 10. Their next assignment is Aurangabad municipal corporation. Elections 2015 on 22nd June. The aim will be to see if they can finish second to the congress. The Sena-BJP combine have enough to retain the corporation they have been controlling for close to a decade. However MIM will always be range bound. Looking at election history, they have not won more than 7 assembly seats in AP. A lot of their financial strength depends on holding the Hyderabad municipal corporation. They lose that then then will be financially crippled and expansion will come to a halt.

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Muslim version of Shivsena/RSS
When have RSS/Shiv Sena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/Shiv Sena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shiv Sena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sena/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.

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Why did they not contest Delhi elections?
Asad Owaisi had a pact with Kejriwal so that the critical Muslim vote wouldn't split thus helping BJP. In fact AIMIM campaigned vigorously for AAP in Muslim majority areas in Delhi.

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When have RSS/ShivSena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/ShivSena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shivsena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sen/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.
Don't waste your time by posting such articulate and factual posts.False Equivalence rules.

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Asad Owaisi had a pact with Kejriwal so that the critical Muslim vote wouldn't split thus helping BJP. In fact AIMIM campaigned vigorously for AAP in Muslim majority areas in Delhi.
Yup. But no Kejri Bhakt is ready to accept this or if they know about it, they don't have a problem with it.

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Shiv Sena is a party of thugs/gundas but most certainly not terrorists. MIM provides a political front to terrorists.
They are definitely big time gundas, but they do provide necessary RW muscle. If anything, RW needs an aggressive party like SS in West Bengal.

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I wonder what sets them apart from other regional Muslim parties like IUML in Kerala' date=' MMK in Tamil Nadu and AIUDF in Assam. All these other parties have been unable to expand beyond the states in which they are rooted, while AIMIM has now made some significant inroads in Maharashtra. Did the Akbaruddin Owaisi anti-Hindu speeches work in their favor? What else is working in their favor?[/quote'] 1. Their presence isn't restricted to 1 state unlike the other outfits you mentioned, They have presence in parts of Telengana,AP,Maharashtra,Karnataka, even a couple of districts in Chattisgarh(all came under the former Nizam state). 2. They have lots of money, Nizam(the richest man on Earth during his time) and his cronies heavily funded MIM to convert/kill Hindus in his state/to fight Indian Union against integration with India. Razakars were the paramilitary wing of MIM and had 1.5 lakh members at one point of time. they launched a war against Indian Union in 1947(Operation Polo) and killed >1000 Indian soldiers(in those 2-3 years), imagine how well funded they must have been to launch such a daring act of aggression against a state 50 times it's size. Most of the Nizam's possessions/ wealth/ land/ money were passed on to Abdul Wahed Owais(lawyer of the head of Razakars and close Nizam aide, Kasim Razvi) who happens to the grandpa of Asad and Akbar. Old Hyderabad is a gold pot for MIM and from where it draws majority of its finances. Heavy funding from the Gulf states is another thing which makes them so rich. AIMIM is the most popular Indian political party in Saudi Arabia and has a lot of supporters in almost the entire Gulf region. Asad Owaisi visits Saudi Arabia once every 2-3 weeks to hold meetings there with Saudi royals, clerics, supporters etc. They splash cash on AIMIM just like they do on Pakistan. In return the Saudi form of Wahhabism is gaining a lot of traction in India, especially in Hyderabad, Aurangabad, Bhatkal, Nanded etc. Same thing happened with Pakistan too(Wahhabism) and it didn't turn out too well, did it? The overseas AIMIM supporters also heavily fund the organization. Even many Pakistanis finance this outfit from overseas, check the Pakistan fan clubs of MIM/Owaisis. IN SHORT NO OTHER MUSLIM POLITICAL OUTFIT IS AS WELL FUNDED AS AIMIM, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THEY ARE EXPANDING TO SO MANY STATES. 3. AIMIM calls for Muslim unity, Shia/Sunni both rally behind the Owaisis. Even though the party gets most of it's funding from Saudi Arabia Asad Owaisi has played a clever game of gaining trust among Shias/other sects too. Never in their rallies/jalsas/social media will you find them criticizing other sects of Muslims. Owaisi always talk of Muslim unity against Hindus. In Lucknow (Shia majority) for example AIMIM has developed a strong base over the past 12 months and may very well upset calculations for other parties in the 2016 assembly elections. 4. They take up the cause for Muslims from other states/nations very aggressively and this endears them in the eyes of many Indian Muslims. They helped Kashmir flood victims, Muslims who suffered during Uttarkhand floods(they built Madrassahs, Mosques, Muslim only hospitals etc for the victims there), Assam Muslim riot victims in 2012, illegal Bangladeshi immigrants(remember Asad's speech in Parliament), Muzzafarnagar riot victims, raised demand for reservation for Muslims in educational institutes and sarkaari jobs etc. In fact they have given shelter to 1000 Rohingya Muslims in Old City. They also invest heavily in propaganda against the Indian state and protest against alleged fake encounters, alleged police brutalities etc. Asad Owaisi does only this in Parliament, slamming the Government against what he calls persecution of Muslims(Ishrat Jahan, Pune techie murder etc) in India.Their protests against Israel, USA(remember how they shut down Hyderabad during Bush's visit in 2006), Prophet Muhammad cartoons, Taslima Nasreen, etc are very very aggressive and eye catching. Akbaruddin Owaisi once attacked Taslima Nasreen during one of her meets in Hyderabad and promised to behead her in public( his aide had brought swords, knives, machetes to the building to carry out the execution :cantstop:) 5. Many Muslims have this amazing victim mentality where they feel that they are being exploited/persecuted in India and that laws are against them(quite the opposite is reality in fact), they don't have opportunities to grow etc. After having realized that for so long the have been used as a vote bank by traditional so called secular parties they are very angry/feel cheated and in AIMIM they see an aggressive Islamic political outfit through which they can channel their aggression/frustration against the majority Hindus who they feel are their enemies. AIMIM's ultra aggressive image is their USP and what attracts many disgruntled Muslim youth amongst their ranks. 6. Both the Owaisi are tremendous orators. :hatsoff: Their oratory skills, hate speeches, jalsas are something that catches the eye of majority Muslims in India(mostly uneducated/poor class, some middle class and elite class also) No other Indian Muslim leader has the stature/oratory skill of the Owaisi bros today. Also their emphasis on Urdu carves an identity for Indian Muslims through which they can distinguish themselves from other Hindi/regional language speaking Indians. 7. AIMIM also targets the Dalit votebank even though they really don't care much about them. for them it is a party for the Muslims, of the Muslims and by the Muslims. However by fielding a few Dalits in elections, giving them high posts and praising Ambedkar the cunning Asad Owaisi has carved a special place in the hearts of many Dalits in Telengana, Maharashtra, Karnataka especially. By calling Ambedkar greater than Gandhi, visiting Dalit families who have faced hardships because of caste violence/economic hardships, giving them financial incentives, promising more reservations for them etc they have done what no other Muslim political outfit in India has managed to do thus far: creating a votebank for them from non Muslims. 8. Acceptance of Owaisi by many non Muslims as a nationalist, secular, truthful leader. This is the biggest BS, even many ICFers have fallen prey to this, they think that Owaisi somehow is a patriot. BS, total BS, just because he goes to some Pakistani talk show and slams them doesn't make him love India. Remember whose blood runs in his veins, he and his family have waged war against India in the past, they have blood in their hands. He loves only Indian Muslims, not India. AIMIM is the new Muslim League. Barrister Owaisi wants to be like barrister Jinnah, cold hard fact. But he is a media darling, all Adlibs are in love with this guy and give him so much screen time and portray an incorrect impression of him before the gullible Indian public. Instead of punishing all members of the Owaisi family for their involvement in the Razakar movement, media glorifies them as secular patriots:giggle:. No other Muslim leader gets this much of adulation from Indian media like Asad and this wily fox has used it to his advantage, nice image building but in reality that image is far from the truth.

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Yup. But no Kejri Bhakt is ready to accept this or if they know about it' date=' they don't have a problem with it.[/quote'] and you complain about quality of the discussions on the forum? Is there any credible substance to support these insinuations ? or as long as it is anti-AAP everything is quality?

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When have RSS/Shiv Sena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/Shiv Sena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shiv Sena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sena/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.
RSS supported britishers at the time of freedom movement. When whole country was fighting against english occupation they were supporting them. What other evidence you need? One of them Killed Gandhi, chief architect of India as nation and these loonies celebrate that killer. Tell me one incident where MIM was so directly involved in killing of a person of that stature. Those kind of things have been done only by Khalistani Militants, LTTE and of course RSS. RSS patriotism is laughable. Anybody who is aware of their designs know what their actual intentions are. They basically against the very idea of India. For me not much difference between them and MIM. two sides of same coin. Both use religion for political gains. Stability and prosperity of country is secondary to both of them.

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I am sure this was a troll post or a bitter post for which you would be feeling sorry now.
I posted that In full seriousness. You always don't have time to get into lengthy debates. That's why that curt post.

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When have RSS/Shiv Sena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/Shiv Sena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shiv Sena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sena/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.
Good post

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RSS supported britishers at the time of freedom movement. When whole country was fighting against english occupation they were supporting them. What other evidence you need? One of them Killed Gandhi, chief architect of India as nation and these loonies celebrate that killer. Tell me one incident where MIM was so directly involved in killing of a person of that stature. Those kind of things have been done only by Khalistani Militants, LTTE and of course RSS. RSS patriotism is laughable. Anybody who is aware of their designs know what their actual intentions are. They basically against the very idea of India. For me not much difference between them and MIM. two sides of same coin. Both use religion for political gains. Stability and prosperity of country is secondary to both of them.
1. RSS never supported Britishers during the freedom movement, it is a lie fabricated by liberals who want an excuse to belittle them. RSS was a social organization during that time, not a political outfit like Congress. When the Congress passed the Purna Swaraj resolution in 1930, Hedgewar asked all the RSS branches to hoist the Indian flag and organize lectures on the need for independence. However, the RSS simply rejected Gandhiji's willingness to cooperate with the Muslim League in the Anti-British struggle( and rightly so if we see what the Muslim League did later during the Direct Action Day, Naokhali, partition etc). You can never work alongside a mad dog and believe me Jinnah and his Muslim League were violent, blood thirsty mad dogs who never believed in peaceful co existence with Hindus. From Dr HEDGEWAR'S ROLE IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE by Rakesh Sinha "At no stage of the freedom struggle either the RSS as an organisation or any individual member of it cooperated or integrated with the colonial regime and administration. Even Bipin Chandra,a Marxist historian conceded, however in a distorted manner, this truth when he says Hedgewar never integrated with the colonial regime. (Communalism in Modern India. P. 332). Both before and after the formation of the RSS, Hedgewar missed no opportunity to strengthen the anti-colonial struggle. To him, "there is no politics for a dependent nation other than the politics of freedom struggle. It is a sine qua non for it". Mahatma Gandhi's call for civil Disobedience Movement was responded by Hedgewar to such an extent that he transferred the responsibility of the Sarsanghchalak of the RSS to Dr. Paranjape, and along with prominent leaders of the infant organisation, including Appaji Joshi, jumped into the movement. He was arrested in Yeotmal while breaking the "Forest Law" and was sentenced to nine months prison. Can anyone imagine what would have been the reaction of the followers whose leader jumped into the movement and was imprisoned ? In fact Hedgewar did not want to create another political centre by using the banner and platform of the RSS. They were already divisions in the Congress. Besides the Communists, Hindu Mahasabha, Muslim League etc. had differences with the Congress not only on ideological plank but also in tactics, strategy and programmes too. It was on ominous sign for the freedom struggle. The need of the day was to accept the strategy and programmes of the Indian National Congress instead of beating drums separately under different banners what Hedgewar actually did. " 2. Godse had left RSS in 1934. He killed Gandhi in 1948. RSS had nothing to do with Gandhi's death. Of course some loonies celebrate Godse and insult Gandhi but what is their %? RSS, Shiv Sena always acknowledge Gandhi's greatness and his contribution to our freedom struggle. And Godse's murder of the Mahatma wasn't out of thin air. Check his address to the court and final speech explaining why he killed the man he once respected and looked up to. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFsSho6YFpkNRFjrUdn0sjV_pI_jfUyamVtn1hsbOAM/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 http://creative.sulekha.com/why-i-killed-gandhi-nathuram-godse-s-address-in-court_463732_blog Summary of the reasons he gave why he killed Gandhi: - Gandhi had frustrated many with his brand of non-violence even in toughest of conditions. Godse initially admired Gandhi but later become disillusioned with his ideas. - By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavors to get the Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another. He backed the Khilafat movement and was able to enlist the full support of the National Congress in that policy. Very soon the Moplah Rebellion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion) showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national unity. There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus(more than 1 lakh Hindus died, were forcibly converted or driven away ). The British Government suppressed it in a few months but countless Hindu lives couldn't be saved. At the time, the Indian National Congress ignored the movement and it remained isolated from the wider nationalist movement to preserve communal harmony in the words of Congress. - Direct Action Day(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day) and Noakhali genocide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots) scared the hell out of the Hindus who until then were following Gandhi's principles of non violence and offered little resistance to the marauding Muslims who raped, plundered, looted and killed thousands of defenseless Hindus. Suhrawady the Muslim League leader(later 5th PM of independent Pakistan) was the Prime Minister of Bengal province of British India at that time and he gave state support to the rioters and was complicit in the sufferings of many Hindu civilians of his province. Later Gandhi left for Bengal for damage control and because he feared Hindus may retort with violence to Muslims. In fact Gandhi came to Kolkata to shield the killer Suhrawady(whom he always liked) and gave him the title of 'Shaheed Saheb' or martyr during his prayer meetings. Hindus who bore the brunt of Muslim League's aggression were mighty pissed off with Gandhi's brown nosing of the mass murderer . Calcutta the day after Direct Action day 76bdT74.jpgNoakhali genocide dTm4GHP.jpgGandhi and Suhrawady meet in Calcutta where he declares the Muslim League leader not guilty of any charges and a shaheed much to the disgust of Hindus 50Bc4Xp.jpg These events had shifted bargaining power to Jinnah from Congress and partition was becoming more inevitable by the day. The committee comprising Mountbatten, Jinnah, Nehru and Gandhi discussed the matter. - Gandhi again left for Calcutta to fast for Hindu-Muslim unity.In his absence, Mountbatten Plan assenting partition was passed. Gandhi had earlier objected to partition saying he wouldn't let it happen even over his dead body. However it was happening and disillusioned Indians blamed him for inaction. Godse claimed Gandhi had helped it rather. - Then when partition seemed inevitable, the Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh at the mercy of Muslim League . Numerous riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the Hindus were the only sufferers. From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus from Bengal to Karachi with mild reactions in the Deccan and Kerala also. The Interim government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi’s infatuation for them. When Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government - According to the partition plan, India owed final installment of Rs 55 crores to Pakistan before Indo-Pak relations on the Kashmir border deteriorated. Nehru and Patel argued that this money would help Pakistan buy weapons and attack Indian interests and hence froze the transaction pissing off people across the border. In name of humanitarian principles and apparently because he wanted to save Hindus in Pakistan by going there, Gandhi once again fasted till this money was given (to have a sensitizing tool in Pakistan). He also fasted for Muslim killings to stop in Delhi. - Godse valued Hinduism staunchly and concluded Gandhi was siding with Muslims & Pakistan. He reasoned killing Gandhi would help Hindus- the followers currently enchanted wrongly with Gandhi as they'd take to calls of violence against Muslims more easily. He subsequently killed Gandhi, and didn't flee because he felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be more practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed forces. He was resigned to his own future being ruined but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan and that was his primary motivation behind the assassination of Gandhi. GODSE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, GANDHI ISN'T THE SAINT HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, HE TOO HAD HIS SHARE OF FAULTS. Don't you dare compare RSS with terrorist organizations, stop spreading your filthy lies everywhere. You have every right to criticize RSS but never throw false allegations at them. 3. So since MIM didn't kill a person of Gandhi's stature all is well you say. Tell that to the 27,000-3 lakh civilians killed and countless others forcibly converted by the MIM razakars in 1946-48. According to your logic killing 1 person is a bigger crime than committing the atrocities that MIM did during that period of time because that goes well with your AdLib agenda. And FYI RSS didn't wage a war against India like MIM, RSS didn't collaborate with an enemy country to harm India at any point of time. 4. What do you mean by Idea of India? If you have something meaningful to contribute do drop your views in this thread. http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=324871&highlight=idea 5. You question RSS' patriotism. - RSS is at the forefront in relief activities during any natural calamity: Bhuj Earthquake, 2004 Tsunami, Uttarakhand floods and the recent J&K floods to name a few. They help irrespective of one's religion or caste. RSS at the forefront in relief work Ev9SSzP.jpg - When Gandhiji visited a 1500-strong RSS camp at Wardha in 1934, he was surprised to find that the Swayamsevaks were not even aware of the castes of one another, forget about any ideas of untouchability. RSS is an organization that has always strived to break the dogma of caste system in Hinduism. http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00174.html - During the ghastly times of partition RSS volunteers sacrificed a lot to ensure safety and dignity of Indians reeling under the Muslim League onslaught. Congress was a mute spectator that time when Hindus/Sikhs were being massacred all over the country especially in Punjab, Kashmir, Bengal and Assam. - On 18th Oct 1947, the then Home Minister Sardar Patel, requested Golwalkar to meet Maharaja Hari Singh to persuade the Maharaja to accede to India. He was accompanied by other RSS pracharaks. It is believed that the Maharaja agreed to the proposal, but the formal accession was signed only on the 26 October, after the invasion by raiders from Pakistan. Jinnah had plans in place to kill the King by 24th and capture Srinagar by 25th Oct. RSS volunteers not only provided early leads to the Indian Army about Pakistan’s upcoming attack at that time but also protected Hari Singh by mobilizing 200 volunteers. - It has been noted that the RSS volunteers participated in the Bhoodan movement organised by Gandhian leader Vinobha Bhave, who had met RSS leader Golwalkar. Golwalkar had been inspired by the movement that encouraged land reforms through voluntary means. He pledged the support of the RSS for this movement. - RSS men played a big role and laid down their lives during the decolonisation of Dadra, Nagar Haveli and Goa which were ruled by Portugese colonists. - In 1962, the then Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru had requested RSS to assist the Government in various assignments during the Sino-Indian War. The RSS was invited by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to take part in the Republic Day parade of 1963 in recognition of its volunteer work during war time. - Again in 1965, during the Indo-Pak war, RSS was requested by the then Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri to take care of the law and order and the traffic in Delhi, so that the policemen could be spared for war duties. - In 1971 Bangladesh War of Independence, RSS volunteers offered their services to maintain law and order of the country and were the first to donate blood on such a large scale. - In 1975 the RSS defied the Emergency and thousands participated in Satyagraha against the violation of human rights regulations. Later, when there was no letup, the volunteers of the RSS formed underground movements for the restoration of democracy. It said that the movement was dominated by tens of thousands of RSS cadres. Talking about its objectives it said "its platform at the moment has only one plank: to bring democracy back to India" To know more about the patriotism of RSS check this out http://topyaps.com/other-side-of-rss AIMIM is nothing but a shoe sole in front of RSS- an organization that has always put India's interests in the forefront.

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1. Their presence isn't restricted to 1 state unlike the other outfits you mentioned, They have presence in parts of Telengana,AP,Maharashtra,Karnataka, even a couple of districts in Chattisgarh(all came under the former Nizam state). 2. They have lots of money, Nizam(the richest man on Earth during his time) and his cronies heavily funded MIM to convert/kill Hindus in his state/to fight Indian Union against integration with India. Razakars were the paramilitary wing of MIM and had 1.5 lakh members at one point of time. they launched a war against Indian Union in 1947(Operation Polo) and killed >1000 Indian soldiers(in those 2-3 years), imagine how well funded they must have been to launch such a daring act of aggression against a state 50 times it's size. Most of the Nizam's possessions/ wealth/ land/ money were passed on to Abdul Wahed Owais(lawyer of the head of Razakars and close Nizam aide, Kasim Razvi) who happens to the grandpa of Asad and Akbar. Old Hyderabad is a gold pot for MIM and from where it draws majority of its finances. Heavy funding from the Gulf states is another thing which makes them so rich. AIMIM is the most popular Indian political party in Saudi Arabia and has a lot of supporters in almost the entire Gulf region. Asad Owaisi visits Saudi Arabia once every 2-3 weeks to hold meetings there with Saudi royals, clerics, supporters etc. They splash cash on AIMIM just like they do on Pakistan. In return the Saudi form of Wahhabism is gaining a lot of traction in India, especially in Hyderabad, Aurangabad, Bhatkal, Nanded etc. Same thing happened with Pakistan too(Wahhabism) and it didn't turn out too well, did it? The overseas AIMIM supporters also heavily fund the organization. Even many Pakistanis finance this outfit from overseas, check the Pakistan fan clubs of MIM/Owaisis. IN SHORT NO OTHER MUSLIM POLITICAL OUTFIT IS AS WELL FUNDED AS AIMIM, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THEY ARE EXPANDING TO SO MANY STATES. 3. AIMIM calls for Muslim unity, Shia/Sunni both rally behind the Owaisis. Even though the party gets most of it's funding from Saudi Arabia Asad Owaisi has played a clever game of gaining trust among Shias/other sects too. Never in their rallies/jalsas/social media will you find them criticizing other sects of Muslims. Owaisi always talk of Muslim unity against Hindus. In Lucknow (Shia majority) for example AIMIM has developed a strong base over the past 12 months and may very well upset calculations for other parties in the 2016 assembly elections. 4. They take up the cause for Muslims from other states/nations very aggressively and this endears them in the eyes of many Indian Muslims. They helped Kashmir flood victims, Muslims who suffered during Uttarkhand floods(they built Madrassahs, Mosques, Muslim only hospitals etc for the victims there), Assam Muslim riot victims in 2012, illegal Bangladeshi immigrants(remember Asad's speech in Parliament), Muzzafarnagar riot victims, raised demand for reservation for Muslims in educational institutes and sarkaari jobs etc. In fact they have given shelter to 1000 Rohingya Muslims in Old City. They also invest heavily in propaganda against the Indian state and protest against alleged fake encounters, alleged police brutalities etc. Asad Owaisi does only this in Parliament, slamming the Government against what he calls persecution of Muslims(Ishrat Jahan, Pune techie murder etc) in India.Their protests against Israel, USA(remember how they shut down Hyderabad during Bush's visit in 2006), Prophet Muhammad cartoons, Taslima Nasreen, etc are very very aggressive and eye catching. Akbaruddin Owaisi once attacked Taslima Nasreen during one of her meets in Hyderabad and promised to behead her in public( his aide had brought swords, knives, machetes to the building to carry out the execution :cantstop:) 5. Many Muslims have this amazing victim mentality where they feel that they are being exploited/persecuted in India and that laws are against them(quite the opposite is reality in fact), they don't have opportunities to grow etc. After having realized that for so long the have been used as a vote bank by traditional so called secular parties they are very angry/feel cheated and in AIMIM they see an aggressive Islamic political outfit through which they can channel their aggression/frustration against the majority Hindus who they feel are their enemies. AIMIM's ultra aggressive image is their USP and what attracts many disgruntled Muslim youth amongst their ranks. 6. Both the Owaisi are tremendous orators. :hatsoff: Their oratory skills, hate speeches, jalsas are something that catches the eye of majority Muslims in India(mostly uneducated/poor class, some middle class and elite class also) No other Indian Muslim leader has the stature/oratory skill of the Owaisi bros today. Also their emphasis on Urdu carves an identity for Indian Muslims through which they can distinguish themselves from other Hindi/regional language speaking Indians. 7. AIMIM also targets the Dalit votebank even though they really don't care much about them. for them it is a party for the Muslims, of the Muslims and by the Muslims. However by fielding a few Dalits in elections, giving them high posts and praising Ambedkar the cunning Asad Owaisi has carved a special place in the hearts of many Dalits in Telengana, Maharashtra, Karnataka especially. By calling Ambedkar greater than Gandhi, visiting Dalit families who have faced hardships because of caste violence/economic hardships, giving them financial incentives, promising more reservations for them etc they have done what no other Muslim political outfit in India has managed to do thus far: creating a votebank for them from non Muslims. 8. Acceptance of Owaisi by many non Muslims as a nationalist, secular, truthful leader. This is the biggest BS, even many ICFers have fallen prey to this, they think that Owaisi somehow is a patriot. BS, total BS, just because he goes to some Pakistani talk show and slams them doesn't make him love India. Remember whose blood runs in his veins, he and his family have waged war against India in the past, they have blood in their hands. He loves only Indian Muslims, not India. AIMIM is the new Muslim League. Barrister Owaisi wants to be like barrister Jinnah, cold hard fact. But he is a media darling, all Adlibs are in love with this guy and give him so much screen time and portray an incorrect impression of him before the gullible Indian public. Instead of punishing all members of the Owaisi family for their involvement in the Razakar movement, media glorifies them as secular patriots:giggle:. No other Muslim leader gets this much of adulation from Indian media like Asad and this wily fox has used it to his advantage, nice image building but in reality that image is far from the truth.
All great points and very valid ones. Especially #4 and #5 are working in MIM's favor. On #5, I will say that this victim mentality is not just the case of Indian Muslims, but the World over. Outside India, they are using this victim card against "western forces" or Israel. What is working most in AIMIM's favor seems to be the perception that they are perhaps the most radical of all the Muslim parties in India (this might be true). They have carefully crafted this impression. The polarization and radicalization of Muslims the World over is affecting Indian Muslims too and they feel the need for voting the most radical political party to represent them.

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8. Acceptance of Owaisi by many non Muslims as a nationalist, secular, truthful leader. This is the biggest BS, even many ICFers have fallen prey to this, they think that Owaisi somehow is a patriot. BS, total BS, just because he goes to some Pakistani talk show and slams them doesn't make him love India. Remember whose blood runs in his veins, he and his family have waged war against India in the past, they have blood in their hands. He loves only Indian Muslims, not India. AIMIM is the new Muslim League. Barrister Owaisi wants to be like barrister Jinnah, cold hard fact. But he is a media darling, all Adlibs are in love with this guy and give him so much screen time and portray an incorrect impression of him before the gullible Indian public. Instead of punishing all members of the Owaisi family for their involvement in the Razakar movement, media glorifies them as secular patriots:giggle:. No other Muslim leader gets this much of adulation from Indian media like Asad and this wily fox has used it to his advantage, nice image building but in reality that image is far from the truth.
Browsed through this rant for laugh value which many are finding quality post. From when such language "Remember whose blood runs in his veins" is acceptable in serious political discussion? Sounds more like a war cry than a discussion between matured people.

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1. RSS never supported Britishers during the freedom movement, it is a lie fabricated by liberals who want an excuse to belittle them. RSS was a social organization during that time, not a political outfit like Congress. When the Congress passed the Purna Swaraj resolution in 1930, Hedgewar asked all the RSS branches to hoist the Indian flag and organize lectures on the need for independence. However, the RSS simply rejected Gandhiji's willingness to cooperate with the Muslim League in the Anti-British struggle( and rightly so if we see what the Muslim League did later during the Direct Action Day, Naokhali, partition etc). You can never work alongside a mad dog and believe me Jinnah and his Muslim League were violent, blood thirsty mad dogs who never believed in peaceful co existence with Hindus. From Dr HEDGEWAR'S ROLE IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE by Rakesh Sinha "At no stage of the freedom struggle either the RSS as an organisation or any individual member of it cooperated or integrated with the colonial regime and administration. Even Bipin Chandra,a Marxist historian conceded, however in a distorted manner, this truth when he says Hedgewar never integrated with the colonial regime. (Communalism in Modern India. P. 332). Both before and after the formation of the RSS, Hedgewar missed no opportunity to strengthen the anti-colonial struggle. To him, "there is no politics for a dependent nation other than the politics of freedom struggle. It is a sine qua non for it". Mahatma Gandhi's call for civil Disobedience Movement was responded by Hedgewar to such an extent that he transferred the responsibility of the Sarsanghchalak of the RSS to Dr. Paranjape, and along with prominent leaders of the infant organisation, including Appaji Joshi, jumped into the movement. He was arrested in Yeotmal while breaking the "Forest Law" and was sentenced to nine months prison. Can anyone imagine what would have been the reaction of the followers whose leader jumped into the movement and was imprisoned ? In fact Hedgewar did not want to create another political centre by using the banner and platform of the RSS. They were already divisions in the Congress. Besides the Communists, Hindu Mahasabha, Muslim League etc. had differences with the Congress not only on ideological plank but also in tactics, strategy and programmes too. It was on ominous sign for the freedom struggle. The need of the day was to accept the strategy and programmes of the Indian National Congress instead of beating drums separately under different banners what Hedgewar actually did. " 2. Godse had left RSS in 1934. He killed Gandhi in 1948. RSS had nothing to do with Gandhi's death. Of course some loonies celebrate Godse and insult Gandhi but what is their %? RSS, Shiv Sena always acknowledge Gandhi's greatness and his contribution to our freedom struggle. And Godse's murder of the Mahatma wasn't out of thin air. Check his address to the court and final speech explaining why he killed the man he once respected and looked up to. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFsSho6YFpkNRFjrUdn0sjV_pI_jfUyamVtn1hsbOAM/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 http://creative.sulekha.com/why-i-killed-gandhi-nathuram-godse-s-address-in-court_463732_blog Summary of the reasons he gave why he killed Gandhi: - Gandhi had frustrated many with his brand of non-violence even in toughest of conditions. Godse initially admired Gandhi but later become disillusioned with his ideas. - By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavors to get the Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another. He backed the Khilafat movement and was able to enlist the full support of the National Congress in that policy. Very soon the Moplah Rebellion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion) showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national unity. There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus(more than 1 lakh Hindus died, were forcibly converted or driven away ). The British Government suppressed it in a few months but countless Hindu lives couldn't be saved. At the time, the Indian National Congress ignored the movement and it remained isolated from the wider nationalist movement to preserve communal harmony in the words of Congress. - Direct Action Day(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day) and Noakhali genocide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots) scared the hell out of the Hindus who until then were following Gandhi's principles of non violence and offered little resistance to the marauding Muslims who raped, plundered, looted and killed thousands of defenseless Hindus. Suhrawady the Muslim League leader(later 5th PM of independent Pakistan) was the Prime Minister of Bengal province of British India at that time and he gave state support to the rioters and was complicit in the sufferings of many Hindu civilians of his province. Later Gandhi left for Bengal for damage control and because he feared Hindus may retort with violence to Muslims. In fact Gandhi came to Kolkata to shield the killer Suhrawady(whom he always liked) and gave him the title of 'Shaheed Saheb' or martyr during his prayer meetings. Hindus who bore the brunt of Muslim League's aggression were mighty pissed off with Gandhi's brown nosing of the mass murderer . Calcutta the day after Direct Action day 76bdT74.jpgNoakhali genocide dTm4GHP.jpgGandhi and Suhrawady meet in Calcutta where he declares the Muslim League leader not guilty of any charges and a shaheed much to the disgust of Hindus 50Bc4Xp.jpg These events had shifted bargaining power to Jinnah from Congress and partition was becoming more inevitable by the day. The committee comprising Mountbatten, Jinnah, Nehru and Gandhi discussed the matter. - Gandhi again left for Calcutta to fast for Hindu-Muslim unity.In his absence, Mountbatten Plan assenting partition was passed. Gandhi had earlier objected to partition saying he wouldn't let it happen even over his dead body. However it was happening and disillusioned Indians blamed him for inaction. Godse claimed Gandhi had helped it rather. - Then when partition seemed inevitable, the Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh at the mercy of Muslim League . Numerous riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the Hindus were the only sufferers. From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus from Bengal to Karachi with mild reactions in the Deccan and Kerala also. The Interim government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi’s infatuation for them. When Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government - According to the partition plan, India owed final installment of Rs 55 crores to Pakistan before Indo-Pak relations on the Kashmir border deteriorated. Nehru and Patel argued that this money would help Pakistan buy weapons and attack Indian interests and hence froze the transaction pissing off people across the border. In name of humanitarian principles and apparently because he wanted to save Hindus in Pakistan by going there, Gandhi once again fasted till this money was given (to have a sensitizing tool in Pakistan). He also fasted for Muslim killings to stop in Delhi. - Godse valued Hinduism staunchly and concluded Gandhi was siding with Muslims & Pakistan. He reasoned killing Gandhi would help Hindus- the followers currently enchanted wrongly with Gandhi as they'd take to calls of violence against Muslims more easily. He subsequently killed Gandhi, and didn't flee because he felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be more practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed forces. He was resigned to his own future being ruined but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan and that was his primary motivation behind the assassination of Gandhi. GODSE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, GANDHI ISN'T THE SAINT HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, HE TOO HAD HIS SHARE OF FAULTS. Don't you dare compare RSS with terrorist organizations, stop spreading your filthy lies everywhere. You have every right to criticize RSS but never throw false allegations at them. 3. So since MIM didn't kill a person of Gandhi's stature all is well you say. Tell that to the 27,000-3 lakh civilians killed and countless others forcibly converted by the MIM razakars in 1946-48. According to your logic killing 1 person is a bigger crime than committing the atrocities that MIM did during that period of time because that goes well with your AdLib agenda. And FYI RSS didn't wage a war against India like MIM, RSS didn't collaborate with an enemy country to harm India at any point of time. 4. What do you mean by Idea of India? If you have something meaningful to contribute do drop your views in this thread. http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=324871&highlight=idea 5. You question RSS' patriotism. - RSS is at the forefront in relief activities during any natural calamity: Bhuj Earthquake, 2004 Tsunami, Uttarakhand floods and the recent J&K floods to name a few. They help irrespective of one's religion or caste. RSS at the forefront in relief work Ev9SSzP.jpg - When Gandhiji visited a 1500-strong RSS camp at Wardha in 1934, he was surprised to find that the Swayamsevaks were not even aware of the castes of one another, forget about any ideas of untouchability. RSS is an organization that has always strived to break the dogma of caste system in Hinduism. http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00174.html - During the ghastly times of partition RSS volunteers sacrificed a lot to ensure safety and dignity of Indians reeling under the Muslim League onslaught. Congress was a mute spectator that time when Hindus/Sikhs were being massacred all over the country especially in Punjab, Kashmir, Bengal and Assam. - On 18th Oct 1947, the then Home Minister Sardar Patel, requested Golwalkar to meet Maharaja Hari Singh to persuade the Maharaja to accede to India. He was accompanied by other RSS pracharaks. It is believed that the Maharaja agreed to the proposal, but the formal accession was signed only on the 26 October, after the invasion by raiders from Pakistan. Jinnah had plans in place to kill the King by 24th and capture Srinagar by 25th Oct. RSS volunteers not only provided early leads to the Indian Army about Pakistan’s upcoming attack at that time but also protected Hari Singh by mobilizing 200 volunteers. - It has been noted that the RSS volunteers participated in the Bhoodan movement organised by Gandhian leader Vinobha Bhave, who had met RSS leader Golwalkar. Golwalkar had been inspired by the movement that encouraged land reforms through voluntary means. He pledged the support of the RSS for this movement. - RSS men played a big role and laid down their lives during the decolonisation of Dadra, Nagar Haveli and Goa which were ruled by Portugese colonists. - In 1962, the then Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru had requested RSS to assist the Government in various assignments during the Sino-Indian War. The RSS was invited by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to take part in the Republic Day parade of 1963 in recognition of its volunteer work during war time. - Again in 1965, during the Indo-Pak war, RSS was requested by the then Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri to take care of the law and order and the traffic in Delhi, so that the policemen could be spared for war duties. - In 1971 Bangladesh War of Independence, RSS volunteers offered their services to maintain law and order of the country and were the first to donate blood on such a large scale. - In 1975 the RSS defied the Emergency and thousands participated in Satyagraha against the violation of human rights regulations. Later, when there was no letup, the volunteers of the RSS formed underground movements for the restoration of democracy. It said that the movement was dominated by tens of thousands of RSS cadres. Talking about its objectives it said "its platform at the moment has only one plank: to bring democracy back to India" To know more about the patriotism of RSS check this out http://topyaps.com/other-side-of-rss AIMIM is nothing but a shoe sole in front of RSS- an organization that has always put India's interests in the forefront.
Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected, renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.

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Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected' date=' renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.[/quote'] I think Gollum already posted that Godse left RSS way back or do you want to say that whosoever in this world opposes Mahatma Gandhi, he would be a member of RSS. If that is the case then our PM is a big fan of Mahatma Gandhi so with this logic he should not be considered RSS supporter right?

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I think Gollum already posted that Godse left RSS way back or do you want to say that whosoever in this world opposes Mahatma Gandhi' date=' he would be a member of RSS. If that is the case then our PM is a big fan of Mahatma Gandhi so with this logic he should not be considered RSS supporter right?[/quote'] and those who don't support RSS, equate RSS with ISIS, so our should be thnking RSS same a ISIS.!! sir ji.. apka logic bahut solid hota hai :giggle: . This is not first time when you have exhibited suck expertise in this area.

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and those who don't support RSS, equate RSS with ISIS, so our should be thnking RSS same a ISIS.!! sir ji.. apka logic bahut solid hota hai :giggle: . This is not first time when you have exhibited suck expertise in this area.
That was just a question and as it happens always you did not answered directly. Let me remind your logic sir in the Ache din Thread when I shared a funny reply of Sagarika Tweet, you asked me question whether I supported ShivSena because somehow you inferred that I support them and as it always happens I replied directly but somehow when someone else wants to know your opinion he will never get a direct reply as if we are talking to an old age politician. Your hypocrisy doesn't ends here, you conviniently reply to some posts and for other you go for a meeting, and your fav reply
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but see what you yourself usually do. Even with this suck expertise in Indian Politics,I was able to predict BJP winning under Modi in 2014 and how Amit Shah is handling UP, you did not. Logically you are what a big sucker in this area.

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That was just a question and as it happens always you did not answered directly. Let me remind your logic sir in the Ache din Thread when I shared a funny reply of Sagarika Tweet, you asked me question whether I supported ShivSena because somehow you inferred that I support them and as it always happens I replied directly but somehow when someone else wants to know your opinion he will never get a direct reply as if we are talking to an old age politician. Your hypocrisy doesn't ends here, you conviniently reply to some posts and for other you go for a meeting, and your fav reply but see what you yourself usually do. Even with this suck expertise in Indian Politics,I was able to predict BJP winning under Modi in 2014 and how Amit Shah is handling UP, you did not. Logically you are what a big sucker in this area.
Use of word suck was typo, I meant to type," when you have exhibited such expertise in this area. " Also i don't claim of having great expertise in prediction. May really suck at that.

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People need to read about the direct action day and Noakhali riots and the bengali hindu home land movement post that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Hindu_Homeland_Movement Bengal was the only proivnce in India ruled by Muslim League and how they will treat Hindus was clear back then only.Thank god for our ancestors we Hindu Bengalis got our separate state and dont have to live under muslim rule. The movement was actively supported by RSS.

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Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected' date= renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.
though he was a member, he was more of a Sawarkar man in the Hindu Mahasabha. Not all BJP members are RSS men. Prakash Javdekar for example is a member primarily of the Hindu Mahasabha

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though he was a member' date=' he was more of a Sawarkar man in the Hindu Mahasabha. Not all BJP members are RSS men. Prakash Javdekar for example is a member primarily of the Hindu Mahasabha[/quote'] Nalin Kohli is also one example, he never has attended any RSS Shakha and not a RSS man.

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Were your statements on ghar wapasi and every person being born Muslim aimed at polarising Muslims just as the VHP-RSS’s strategy might be to polarise Hindus on the other side? Firstly, you have to listen to the full 90 minutes of my speech before jumping to any conclusions. I stated that it is a widespread Islamic belief that every human being is born a Muslim and either parents or circumstances mould people into other faiths. That is my belief. I quoted a verse from the Quran 2:256 which states that “there shall be no compulsion in (acceptance of) religion. Truth stands out clear from error.†People are free to disagree with me and my statements. Did I at any point say that Sharia should be made the rule of law? Did I say that people should not be given ration cards unless they convert? Did I say it is my way or the highway? What is wrong in stating an Islamic belief? There are different beliefs among Hindus too. Do I question them? An anchor on a TV channel says, ‘Owaisi ka munh kaun band karvayega’? Arre, the last time I checked, India was a democracy. There are 4,600 communities in this country and I totally stand for pluralism. It is obnoxious to compare me with the RSS whose only aim is to convert India into a majoritarian state. What was all that about paan thookna? It was said in a lighter vein that Hyderabadi log toh ek lakh ka paan khaake thook dete hain, humko paanch lakh se kya khareedoge? I was referring to the reported price of conversion of Rs 5 lakh for Muslims and Rs2 lakh for Christians. The government issued an ad on Minorities Rights Day on December 18 in all newspapers saying the true test of a civilisation lies in how it treats its minorities. Is this how we are treated? By placing a price on our heads? By calling us chori ka samaan? By threatening us to change our religion? People are interpreting my statements in various ways but believe me I don’t say such things keeping in mind what is politically good for me. In the Lok Sabha polls and in Uttar Pradesh, the BJP proved its ability to split both minority and Dalit votes. Your political activities, feel some observers, may help further divide anti-BJP votes. What would be your reaction? "What more votes can I divide? The BJP government won 280 seats. Am I responsible for them getting that number?" What more division in votes can happen now? What further rot can set in? We are already at the rock bottom of democracy. See, the BJP government won 280 seats, am I responsible for them getting that number? When Hindu votes get divided, no one poses this question. Why then are Muslims asked this question when they want to fight elections and stand up with dignity? At the end of the day, yes, I am a politician and yes, I will seek votes. And yes, the MIM will definitely go to UP and Delhi to contest polls. My core support base is the youth. What is wrong if they want to be in positions of power? (Assam MP) Badruddin Ajmal has tried to do what you are doing now—mobilise minorities in favour of a new political party. Does it imply creating another Muslim League? Hang on! Are you saying I am trying to divide the nation? People are welcome to call me any number of adjectives such as “communal†etc. But please don’t call me anti-national. I was born in 1969 and I don’t carry any such baggage. My whole struggle is to participate in the Indian parliamentary democracy. I want India to be more powerful and its roots strengthened. I don’t want to be a Muslim leader but a servant of the Muslim masses. Win*ning and losing elections are part and parcel of a politician’s career. My primary duty is to involve the Muslim community in parliamentary politics, to create awareness and remove fear. What’s the status of Muslims after the Sachar report? Out of the 70-odd recommendations of the Sachar Committee, only one or two have been implemented such as pre- and post-matric scholarships, merit-cum-needs scholarships. But many others such as equal opportunities, diversity index and Waqf properties have not been implemented. The Kundu Committee which gave an evaluation report of the Sachar Committee stated that there has not been much improvement and gave a new set of recommendations. For example, it said that scholarships have to be demand-driven. Currently, there are 10-15 Muslim students competing for one scholarship. The Kundu Committee also suggested that there be an increase in the number of itis and the scholarship amount and the like. You have been strident in your criticism of the ISIS and have exhorted Muslim youth to do charity instead. "I keep telling Muslim youth to learn religion sitting at the feet of elders, not from Hazrat Google. Type jehad and you get Hafiz Saeed.†Yes. Who are people like Hafiz Saeed to talk about Quran and its values? He has killed innocent Indians and is the nat*ion’s enemy and therefore an enemy of Islam. I also condemn others such as ISIS Twitter handler Mehdi Masroor Biswas alias Shami who issues statements on beheading. The Quran does not allow beheading. I keep telling Muslim youth to learn religion by sitting at the feet of elders and not from “Hazrat Googleâ€. Sadly, people nowadays just log on to the net for gui*dance. You type jehad and you get Hafiz Saeed. But the truth is that the Prophet taught us to spread peace and be disciplined. The Prophet says that even if there is a stone on the road, remove it. I tell all youth even remotely getting ins*pired by such websites to go and do jehad in a democratic way. Give tuition to poor students, protect the elderly, contest elections. What is your assessment of the Modi government and of minority affairs minister Najma Heptullah? It has been six months but the Modi government has been quiet on various major incidents. Yes, petrol prices might have fallen but poverty is still hurting most of the voting class of India. Isn’t that what Modi promised to eliminate? For further analysis, we will have to wait till the Budget is presented. As for Ms Najma Heptullah, I have not had much opportunity to interact with her. You say Modi ought to question Barack Obama about the foreign funds being used for conversions. Yes, there have been several leaders talking about funds coming in from the US and other Western nations for conversions. If the BJP is really so worried about it, why not ask President Obama when he visits India for the Republic Day about it? Ask him to stop such fund flow if Mr Modi really believes that is the case. There have been protests against Aamir Khan’s PK for hurting Hindu religious sentiments. Have you seen it? I am really not much of a movie-goer because I don’t have the patience to sit and watch a film for three hours. In fact, my wife tells me that I am such a big egoist I can’t watch another person for half-an-hour, let alone three hours (laughs). But really, I always tell people that if they are hurt by anything in movies, just walk out. There are avenues of protests such as filing a complaint with the Censor Board or going to court. You have gone to court against three publications which stated that you asked Indian Muslims to join the Pakistan army if both nations went to war. Yes I filed defamatory suits against all of them for their ridiculous reports, now they are all falling over themselves to apologise or say that the reports were wrong. As I said earlier, I can stand anything but not being called anti-national.

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I personally feel this guy does not mind Hindus at all, but he uses speeches to polarise. They have a two prong strategy. Younger one is out spoken and radical. Older one is more reserved and relatively moderate. There was a time in the early 00s when the Thakarey brothers sort of had the same strategy. Raj was the firebrand while Uddhav was the moderate planner. Problem was that Raj eventually wanted much more than to play second fiddle and Uddhav saw him as a treat. You know the rest. I see the same signs in the battle of brothers. the need to expand more than anything is a case of them, Owaisis accommodating growing family members. Had they been stuck to one lok sabha seat and 7-8 assembly seats in Telangana, there would come a time when somebody would rebel and divide the votes causing them to lose their solidarity seat. Which is why we need to see how many family members they field in the greater hyderabad municipal corporation.

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Muslim version of Shivsena/RSS
Hmm, you conveniently clubbed some great people with MIM? People wanna call RSS terrorist or same as JeM, LeT and what not. Gandhiji's loss was very tough on people of India. Godse left RSS nearly 10 years before he attacked Gandhiji. He formed a militant organization and which was anti nation in nature. RSS is all about protecting Indian hindus. I may not agree with their ideologies completely but they are saint in front of MIM. These MIM idiots brazenly makes fun of Godess Laxmi in front of 10s of thousands of people. I will make sure that I ignore your post going forward.

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1. RSS never supported Britishers during the freedom movement, it is a lie fabricated by liberals who want an excuse to belittle them.
RSS were more than happy to under British.Pretty much part of the divide and rule politics of British employed.Golwalkar did not want to be part of Freedom struggle as it sought freedom for all the Indian people irrespective of religious differences. Since it did not assure the formation of a Hindu Rasthra, Golwalkar as Hindu nationalist provided the following ideological rationale for keeping aloof from the ongoing struggle against the colonial rule.
We stand for national regeneration and not for the haphazard bundle of political rights- the state. What we want is swaraj; and we must be definite what this ‘swa’means, Our Kingdom-Who we are? It is this question [that is] most pertinent at this stage that we shall attempt to answer. For this purpose, we must analyse and understand the universally acknowledged nation concept and see how far we actually subscribe to it. And if we do not , why, and whether such an aberration is in anyway proper. We must also see what the nation idea should denote to us in our struggle for national regeneration, by applying the universal concept to our case. And we will look at our problem from more points of view than one
Golwalkar did not want to give the British any excuse to ban the RSS. When the British Government banned military drills and use of uniforms in non-official organizations, Golwalkar terminated the RSS military department. RSS only opposed Gandhiji not Indian freedom mmovement my foot. Sardar V Patel on RSS and role in Gandhi assasination Vallabhbhai Patel was vindicated. He had written to Nehru on February 27, 1948: “I have kept myself almost in daily touch with the progress of the investigation regarding Bapu’s assassination case.” His conclusion was: “It was a fanatical wing of the Hindu Mahasabha directly under Savarkar that [hatched] the conspiracy and saw it through.” http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/how-savarkar-escaped-the-gallows/article4358048.ece "All their (RSS) leaders' speeches were full of communal poison. As a final result of the poi-son...an atmosphere was created in which such a ghastly tragedy (Gandhi's assassination) became possible...RSS men expressed joy and distributed sweets after Gandhiji's death."Excerpts from Sardar Patel's letters to M.S. Golwalkar and S.P. Mookerjee.

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http://www.rediff.com/news/special/cops-fired-the-bullets-but-the-brain-was-somebody-else/20150420.htm 'Cops fired the bullets, but the brain was somebody else' All five men, allegedly Students Islamic Movement of India activists, were facing trial under various charges: Of killing policemen between December 2008 and May 2010; being a member of a radical outfit Darsgah Jehad O Shahadat; and being the founder of a fundamentalist organisation Tehreek Galba E Islam (Vikaruddin); of being a sympathiser and provider of logistics to Vikaruddin (Dr Hanif); and supplying pistol to Vikaruddin (Mohammadd Izrar Khan). The brothers of 2 of these terrorists work in Owaisi's hospital in Hyderabad(from the article), now AIMIM launching another propaganda against the Telengana government. Jalsa in Hyderabad to protest against KCR government. Mum about the killing of 3 Telangana policemen(including a Muslim constable) by SIMI cadre 2 days before this encounter. And people compare this terrorist political party with BJP/SS :hysterical:

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RSS were more than happy to under British.Pretty much part of the divide and rule politics of British employed.Golwalkar did not want to be part of Freedom struggle as it sought freedom for all the Indian people irrespective of religious differences. Since it did not assure the formation of a Hindu Rasthra, Golwalkar as Hindu nationalist provided the following ideological rationale for keeping aloof from the ongoing struggle against the colonial rule. Golwalkar did not want to give the British any excuse to ban the RSS. When the British Government banned military drills and use of uniforms in non-official organizations, Golwalkar terminated the RSS military department. RSS only opposed Gandhiji not Indian freedom mmovement my foot. Sardar V Patel on RSS and role in Gandhi assasination Vallabhbhai Patel was vindicated. He had written to Nehru on February 27, 1948: “I have kept myself almost in daily touch with the progress of the investigation regarding Bapu’s assassination case.†His conclusion was: “It was a fanatical wing of the Hindu Mahasabha directly under Savarkar that [hatched] the conspiracy and saw it through.†http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/how-savarkar-escaped-the-gallows/article4358048.ece "All their (RSS) leaders' speeches were full of communal poison. As a final result of the poi-son...an atmosphere was created in which such a ghastly tragedy (Gandhi's assassination) became possible...RSS men expressed joy and distributed sweets after Gandhiji's death."Excerpts from Sardar Patel's letters to M.S. Golwalkar and S.P. Mookerjee.
Thanks for sharing this. Wasn't aware. Sardar Patel seemed to be very categorical and full of despise against RSS loonies. It is shameless from these organizations when they try to take up role of champion of Sardar Patel's cause, in their efforts to put Nehru and Gandhi. Coming from Sardar Patel, it puts RSS support and sympathy to killers of Gandhi beyond doubt. And they claim RSS is a nationalist and patriotic organization.

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