Sir Jadeja averages 50 with bat in last 10 matches

[rtmohanlal]

On 8/4/2017 at 7:31 PM, Trichromatic said:

 

 

Yes, when you see 4 not outs in last 13 innings and 8 not out in last 22 innings, it's easy to notice that those averages are inflated by not outs.

 

But then also notice that he has hit 6 fifties in last 13 inning, that's once in every 2 inning. Only Pujara and Rahul have hit more 50+ scores than him. Kohli and Rahane both have 4 50+ scores each. So likes of Kohli, Rahane, Vijay, Ashwin and Saha have been less consistent than him. 

 

He has been consistent and his average is reflection of how he has batted.

 

He has scored more runs than Ashwin, Saha and Vijay during this period and is 66 runs short of Rahane. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	50+	4s	6s
CA Pujara	10	16	1	982	202	65.46	2103	46.69	3	5	1	8	100	2
KL Rahul	8	12	1	685	199	62.27	1153	59.41	1	7	0	8	79	5
RA Jadeja	10	13	4	454	90	50.44	671	67.66	0	6	0	6	33	16
V Kohli	9	14	2	725	235	60.41	1070	67.75	3	1	1	4	72	3
AM Rahane	8	13	2	520	132	47.27	960	54.16	1	3	1	4	55	4
R Ashwin	10	12	0	327	72	27.25	565	57.87	0	3	1	3	40	2
WP Saha	7	9	2	363	117	51.85	722	50.27	2	1	1	3	27	5
M Vijay	7	11	0	405	136	36.81	874	46.33	2	1	1	3	42	5
PA Patel	3	4	1	195	71	65.00	282	69.14	0	2	0	2	25	1
J Yadav	3	4	0	166	104	41.50	372	44.62	1	1	0	2	21	0
S Dhawan	2	3	0	239	190	79.66	219	109.13	1	0	0	1	39	1
A Mukund	2	4	0	109	81	27.25	182	59.89	0	1	1	1	11	1
KK Nair	6	7	1	374	303*	62.33	506	73.91	1	0	1	1	41	4
HH Pandya	2	2	0	70	50	35.00	69	101.44	0	1	0	1	8	3
Kuldeep Yadav	1	1	0	7	7	7.00	17	41.17	0	0	0	0	1	0
B Kumar	3	2	0	9	9	4.50	24	37.50	0	0	1	0	2	0
Mohammed Shami	3	3	1	50	30	25.00	39	128.20	0	0	0	0	1	5
I Sharma	5	5	2	8	6	2.66	40	20.00	0	0	2	0	1	0
UT Yadav	10	11	7	62	16	15.50	136	45.58	0	0	0	0	5	2
A Mishra	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

that is exactly the reason as to why  i feel Jadeja should be made to bat  high up the order. At least, has to be  tested because his  record as a first class cricketer & also these test stats prove that  he has high chance of succeding.A player with 3 triple 100s & also 43+ avg: in first class cricket shows that  he has the temperament to play long inns when conditions truly favour him. Another  strong point to issue this case is that out of the 10 not out scores he has till now, 7 of them are 30+ scores.  

And in his last 22 inns he remained not out 8 times, of which  6 are  30+ scores & 5 are 42+ scores . In  this period his record is as follows.

15   22  8   641  90 45.78  920  69.70   0   7  1  49  24

To avg: 45.78 @  str: rate of 69.70  along with 7 50s shows that he has come up a lot as a batsman.Even if he scored at the least 91 runs more  in these 8 not out scores had he went on with these & eventually remained with 2 not outs only , he would still have avg:ed around 37. A  37  avg:ing left handed  batsman with around 70 str: rate  in the middle order is a huge plus

giving various options for the team in all conditions. 

[Tibarn]

Sunny was comparing Jaddu to Kapil Dev during commentary... he was saying that like Kapil, Jaddu looks like a proper batsman in terms of range of shots, but both their mindsets is that of smashing boundaries rather than building an innings.  

[jf1gp_1]

 

12 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Sunny was comparing Jaddu to Kapil Dev during commentary... he was saying that like Kapil, Jaddu looks like a proper batsman in terms of range of shots, but both their mindsets is that of smashing boundaries rather than building an innings.  

Guy has scored multiple triple centuries in domestic cricket, so he does have the patience to play long innings. The question is do we care about jaddu the batsman, for me he should keep working on his bowling, he is the best fielder in world thats always a bonus as a batsman keep doing what he has been doing. 

[Tibarn]

10 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

 

Guy has scored multiple triple centuries in domestic cricket, so he does have the patience to play long innings. The question is do we care about jaddu the batsman, for me he should keep working on his bowling, he is the best fielder in world thats always a bonus as a batsman keep doing what he has been doing. 

His batting ability is going to be important overseas. There is only 1 spot for a spinner in our XI when we tour outside Asia, so I would say there is a direct competition between Jaddu and Ash for the spinner spot. If team management views their bowling ability to be similar, then Ashwin will likely get the nod, as he is a superior batsman thus far. 

[Stuge]

On 8/5/2017 at 11:44 AM, cowboysfan said:

I would not even play Ash in SA if they prepare a green wicket,just play Jaddu and an extra fast bowler (not Lambu).

Ishant can be useful in South Africa though.

[express bowling]

On 8/6/2017 at 8:51 PM, Tibarn said:

His batting ability is going to be important overseas. There is only 1 spot for a spinner in our XI when we tour outside Asia, so I would say there is a direct competition between Jaddu and Ash for the spinner spot. If team management views their bowling ability to be similar, then Ashwin will likely get the nod, as he is a superior batsman thus far. 

 

If we want to play 5 bowlers and only 1 spinner outside Asia then Ashwin has to play as only he can be the 6th batsman.

 

Jaddu or Kuldeep can't bat at No.6

 

We will most likely see from No.6 onward

 

Ashwin

Pandya

Saha

Bhuvi / Ishant

Shami

Umesh

 

Kuldeep or Jaddu can play only if we play 2 spinners.

 

Jaddu can play if we drop Pandya and play 3 specialist pacers.... but Kuldeep can't in this case as he is not considered as an all-rounder.

Edited August 7, 2017 by express bowling

[Tibarn]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

If we want to play 5 bowlers and only 1 spinner outside Asia then Ashwin has to play as only he can be the 6th batsman.

 

Jaddu or Kuldeep can't bat at No.6

 

We will most likely see from No.6 onward

 

Ashwin

Pandya

Saha

Bhuvi / Ishant

Shami

Umesh

 

Kuldeep or Jaddu can play only if we play 3 pacers.

 

Jaddu can play if we drop Pandya and play 3 specialist pacers.... but Kuldeep can't in this case as he is not considered as an all-rounder.

I think if we pick only 1 of Ash/Jaddu,  we have to focus on their bowling. If their bowling is roughly equal, then we can pick Ashwin, as he is the superior batsman thus far, but if we include both Pandya and Bhuvi in the XI overseas, I think we have enough leeway to pick the better spinner.

 

If we select Ashwin as a batting allrounder, then it seems like a waste. If we aren't confident enough in his ability to bowl overseas as a front-line spinner, then it is better to look elsewhere and either select a proper batsman at 6 or include a bowler we consider superior. 

[express bowling]

26 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

I think if we pick only 1 of Ash/Jaddu,  we have to focus on their bowling. If their bowling is roughly equal, then we can pick Ashwin, as he is the superior batsman thus far, but if we include both Pandya and Bhuvi in the XI overseas, I think we have enough leeway to pick the better spinner.

 

If we select Ashwin as a batting allrounder, then it seems like a waste. If we aren't confident enough in his ability to bowl overseas as a front-line spinner, then it is better to look elsewhere and either select a proper batsman at 6 or include a bowler we consider superior. 

 

I think Jaddu will be the better bowler out of Asia as he does better on unhelpful tracks.  

 

Kuldeep maybe even better as he showed in the Dharamsala test first innings on an Australia-type pitch.

 

That being said, I don't see Saha, Pandya or Jadeja batting at No.6 out of Asia.  That will weaken the middle-order a lot.

 

6th batsman

Saha

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Shami

Umesh 

 

is possible but then (a)  We will play only 4 bowlers  (b) Ashwin maybe better than Rohit ( likely 6th batter ) as a test batsman anyway

[putrevus]

On 8/5/2017 at 3:40 AM, rkt.india said:

we will have to see what contributed more to that peak batting or bowling or both were as good. Achieving such a high peak wont be possible if only one of these two skills is dominating.

 

One more thing I would like to add. We are yet to see a true alrounder who is as good in both the departments and could make the team on both counts. None of Botham, Imran, Kapil, Pollock would make the team on batting alone. Neither Kallis would make the team on bowling alone. Was there anyone who could do that?

Botham for first 50 tests was a beast, he would make any team either as a batsman or bowler.He is only player for those fifty tests who could walk into any team either a bowler or batsmen.

 

 

[Tibarn]

30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think Jaddu will be the better bowler out of Asia as he does better on unhelpful tracks.  

 

Kuldeep maybe even better as he showed in the Dharamsala test first innings on an Australia-type pitch.

 

That being said, I don't see Saha, Pandya or Jadeja batting at No.6 out of Asia.  That will weaken the middle-order a lot.

 

6th batsman

Saha

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Shami

Umesh 

 

is possible but then (a)  We will play only 4 bowlers  (b) Ashwin maybe better than Rohit ( likely 6th batter ) as a test batsman anyway

I think Bhuvi belongs in this conversation with Ashwin/Jaddu as well. If we filter out Subcontinent and Windies, thus comparing the trio's stats in NZ+Aus+Eng+SA, we can see how they stack up:

Ashwin:

 

Bhuvi:

 

Jaddu:

The overall numbers for matches in those 4 countries are:

Ashwin

Batting: 28.57 avg with 4 Not Outs and a High Score of  62

Bowling: 56.58 avg and 104.2 SR

Jaddu:

Batting: 22.25 avg with 1 Not Out and a High Score of 68

Bowling: 46.16 avg and 102.4 SR

Bhuvi:

Batting: 29.70 avg with 2 Not Outs and a High Score of 63*

Bowling: 33.7 avg and 64.4 SR

 

So I think if we are willing to to play Ashwin at 6 as a batsman with his bowling as a bonus, then we can do similar with either Bhuvi or Jaddu. Bhuvi in particular comes out favorably in this comparison as his bowling is miles ahead of that of Ash/Jaddu. 

 

If we consider Bhuvi as an allrounder, we can even try a specialist spinner like Kuldeep. We can gamble with Pandya as the #6, as there is no harm, in my opinion, of developing him at that spot overseas. 

1) Vijay

2) Rahul

3) Pujara

4) Kohli

5) Rahane

6) Pandya

7) Saha

8) Bhuvi

9) Kuldeep/Ishant

10) Shami 

11) Umesh

 

So I feel we don't have to be compelled to play either Ash or Jaddu for their batting abilities when Bhuvi has also shown to be similarly capable( in those 4 countries) with the bat.  I think we need to select our attack, especially the spinner,  based on taking the 20 wickets needed to win. 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

@  Tibarn

 

Ashwin has improved a lot as a test batsman starting from the WI tour 2016. He is averaging almost 35 in this period with 2 centuries.

 

Bhuvi's current form with the bat is totally unknown. He scored 50+ last time 3 years back and is likely to bat below No.8 if he gets to play.

 

Ashwin can be and most probably will be used as No.6.  Neither of Pandya or Bhuvi will bat at No.6. Pandya is not getting a chance even at No.7 in this series.

Edited August 7, 2017 by express bowling