prince40 Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 :Phehe...if u think prince of calcutta is not a cunning politician' date=' then :giggle:[/quote'] yea cunning enough to get under stave waugh's skin and lead us to victory in 2001:P
Dhondy Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Do you ask yourself questions like, "Is my mom better, or my dad?" Because such questions amount to the same, really. Let's talk about whether Tendulkar and Dravid are better than Ponting and Hayden or Yousuf and Inzamam, or Kallis and Smith. Those are valid comparisons.
fineleg Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 ^^ Too much senti doc. This is not even remotely close to qns. like mom & dad. Maybe ur emotional/sentimental when discussing Tendu and Dravid and hence feel that way.
Dhondy Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 ^^ Too much senti doc. This is not even remotely close to qns. like mom & dad. Maybe ur emotional/sentimental when discussing Tendu and Dravid and hence feel that way. You wouldn't understand. You probably threw tantrums at home growing up if they didn't slave over every whim of yours, anyway.
Mr. Wicket Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 A batting lineup isn't about who's better. It's about how good they are in unison. Doc has it on the mark, meanwhile a whole bunch of others are yet to understand what batting is about. Watch Tendulkar and Dravid bat together, when Dravid will quickly judge singles from the non strikers' end and find ways to take them to help Tendulkar out when he's starting to struggle against a particular bowler. Or how Tendulkar'll take the offense to a bowler and belt a four or two when Dravid's being bogged down, to keep away pressure about the scoring rate dipping. Or how they'll work over a bowler in unison, pummeling him down softly with singles several times in an over. Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Laxman are a lineup that have worked tremendously together for India over the years, set up plenty of wins and delighted anyone capable of appreciating batting at its best. It's idiotic to start trying to big one of them up at the other's expense.
Dhondy Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 A batting lineup isn't about who's better. It's about how good they are in unison. Doc has it on the mark, meanwhile a whole bunch of others are yet to understand what batting is about. Watch Tendulkar and Dravid bat together, when Dravid will quickly judge singles from the non strikers' end and find ways to take them to help Tendulkar out when he's starting to struggle against a particular bowler. Or how Tendulkar'll take the offense to a bowler and belt a four or two when Dravid's being bogged down, to keep away pressure about the scoring rate dipping. Or how they'll work over a bowler in unison, pummeling him down softly with singles several times in an over. Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Laxman are a lineup that have worked tremendously together for India over the years, set up plenty of wins and delighted anyone capable of appreciating batting at its best. It's idiotic to start trying to big one of them up at the other's expense. QED.
coffee_rules Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Obviously the patrariachs don't understand the debate at all. It's not about the team in this debate. It is all about bragging rights as whose batting won the most. Has Tendulkar's type of batting won us most tests or Dravid's. Ofcourse these days Tendulkar is in the accumulating mode. But aggression is required in the first innings of any test. Dravid's type of batting will be more consistent as they take less risks. They are good for the 2nd innings of a test when batting needs to be more circumspect. So, who is more successful in their type of batting? Because of his good technique in batting aggressively I feel Tendulkar has been more successful, while Dravid's technique is defence is very good, but has not lived upto his mark. Often Dravid's type of batting in pressure conditions adds to extra pressure on other batsmen. So, they crumble in droves.
Mr. Wicket Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Obviously the patrariachs don't understand the debate at all. It's not about the team in this debate. It is all about bragging rights as whose batting won the most. Which proves again that you don't understand the game. A single innings very, very rarely wins the game. Again, when batsmen set it up, it's about partnerships, not one batsman. If one man performances win games, they're almost always from bowlers. Find me one example of one batsman single handedly changing the game, and Look at most of the major Indian victories recently. Perth: 2 major partnerships; Dravid and Tendulkar to set things up in the first innings, then Laxman and Dhoni in the second to push the game beyond Australia. Delhi v. Pak recently: Laxman and Dhoni again to push us past Pakistan in the first innings, Ganguly and Tendulkar to mostly see us to safety Trent Bridge: Jaffer/Karthik, Dravid/Tendulkar and Tendulkar/Ganguly. 147 for the first wicket, 97 for the third and 96 for the fourth. One single innings would not have done the job. Jo'burg: Mostly a bowling demolition job, but Tendulkar and Dravid did a sterling job that can't be forgotten, rescuing the team from 14/2 in the first morning in spiteful, seaming conditions. Adelaide 03: Dravid/Laxman in I1, Tendulkar/Dravid in I2 and Chopra/Sehwag in both innings. Leeds 02: Dravid/Bangar, Dravid/Tendulkar and Tendulkar/Ganguly. Etc. Pull one of those partnerships out from most of those games, and it's very likely the result could have been very different in several. Lone batsmen do NOT win tests. People should understand that. And as far as the Dravid/Tendulkar comparison goes, look how many times both names crop up together in the above samples. Trent Bridge, Leeds, Adelaide, Perth - and plenty of others where they had major partnerships with someone else. Doesn't answer who's better, and never will. Just points to how good the batting unit has been in these times.
prince40 Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Obviously the patrariachs don't understand the debate at all. It's not about the team in this debate. It is all about bragging rights as whose batting won the most. Has Tendulkar's type of batting won us most tests or Dravid's. Ofcourse these days Tendulkar is in the accumulating mode. But aggression is required in the first innings of any test. Dravid's type of batting will be more consistent as they take less risks. They are good for the 2nd innings of a test when batting needs to be more circumspect. So, who is more successful in their type of batting? Because of his good technique in batting aggressively I feel Tendulkar has been more successful, while Dravid's technique is defence is very good, but has not lived upto his mark. Often Dravid's type of batting in pressure conditions adds to extra pressure on other batsmen. So, they crumble in droves. actually dravid consistently performs better under pressure than sachin
yoda Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 A batting lineup isn't about who's better. It's about how good they are in unison. A team isn't about being better than the other. It's about how well they compete against one another and put up a good show for the larger good of mankind. Mankind isn't about who's better. It is about living in harmony with other living and non-living.
fineleg Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You wouldn't understand. You probably threw tantrums at home growing up if they didn't slave over every whim of yours' date=' anyway.[/quote'] Doc, You getting personal now and psycho analyzing me. LOL! Interesting that :D Well, even if you assume that I threw tantrums for the sake of argument here in this thread, why would that matter in comparing SRT and RD or not comparing!?
coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 Which proves again that you don't understand the game. A single innings very, very rarely wins the game. Again, when batsmen set it up, it's about partnerships, not one batsman. If one man performances win games, they're almost always from bowlers. Find me one example of one batsman single handedly changing the game, and Look at most of the major Indian victories recently. Perth: 2 major partnerships; Dravid and Tendulkar to set things up in the first innings, then Laxman and Dhoni in the second to push the game beyond Australia. Delhi v. Pak recently: Laxman and Dhoni again to push us past Pakistan in the first innings, Ganguly and Tendulkar to mostly see us to safety Trent Bridge: Jaffer/Karthik, Dravid/Tendulkar and Tendulkar/Ganguly. 147 for the first wicket, 97 for the third and 96 for the fourth. One single innings would not have done the job. Jo'burg: Mostly a bowling demolition job, but Tendulkar and Dravid did a sterling job that can't be forgotten, rescuing the team from 14/2 in the first morning in spiteful, seaming conditions. Adelaide 03: Dravid/Laxman in I1, Tendulkar/Dravid in I2 and Chopra/Sehwag in both innings. Leeds 02: Dravid/Bangar, Dravid/Tendulkar and Tendulkar/Ganguly. Etc. Pull one of those partnerships out from most of those games, and it's very likely the result could have been very different in several. Lone batsmen do NOT win tests. People should understand that. And as far as the Dravid/Tendulkar comparison goes, look how many times both names crop up together in the above samples. Trent Bridge, Leeds, Adelaide, Perth - and plenty of others where they had major partnerships with someone else. Doesn't answer who's better, and never will. Just points to how good the batting unit has been in these times. Here you go again preaching to the choir. Count the number of matches each has been more consistently successful is all the debate about.
Khalpat Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 It depends on what criteria are you comparing both greats: Look in ODI its no match. Sachin wins in most major criteria but yes if there is a crunch situation like we need anything around 7 to 8 RPO in last 10-15 overs, I would like to have Dravid in place of Tendulkar to take it to end. So at start of inning to utilize most of the power play to make max runs of the opposition best bowlers Sachin and to take it to end after 40 overs I would like to see Dravid at the crease. But overall Sachin wins in ODI. Tests: Its a close call both of the players are at par. In patches Dravid is superior to Sachin. Both are good in technique but Dravid has better Temprament and Sachin is consistent so both equal in Test.
ravishingravi Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Tendulkar is just a freaking genius likes of which we will not see in India. Dravid, however, to me in the overall analysis just marginally tips him in tests while Tendlya is by far the best ODI player.
yoda Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Tendulkar is just a freaking genius likes of which we will not see in India. Dravid' date= however, to me in the overall analysis just marginally tips him in tests while Tendlya is by far the best ODI player. Why is he a genius if he is not better than his own compatriot in the format which everyone claims is the one which tests skills to the extreme? I agree with you regarding who is better at tests though and the ODI argument doesn't even exist anyways.
yoda Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 ^^BB stop embarrassing yourself. I think when you come to your senses in a few days, you will probably want to delete your posts about RD. :winky:
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