Vilander Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Avg in Wi, Sa, NZ, AUS, ENG Dhawan - 28.84 Rohit - 23.90 Ashwin- 32.95 Bhuvi - 28.42 I think that shud say all Dhawan averages more than Bhuvi..thats surprising.. adi B 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 20 hours ago, LORD_analyst said: we have been seeing them failing overseas in test matches ....how long will be the rope???? should we groom other test batsmen?? What wrong has Dhawan done? How many Indian openers have done well overseas in history? How many openers are averaging 40 in world cricket atm? Dhawan should be in mix for 3-4 years more. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Avg in Wi, Sa, NZ, AUS, ENG Dhawan - 28.84 Rohit - 23.90 Ashwin- 32.95 Bhuvi - 28.42 I think that shud say all Unfair to compare them with Dhawan who is an opener. Even Sehwag had similar averages and played 100+ tests. Dhawan especially can score outside. Maybe 1 or 2 fluke centuries, but he can. Rohit on the other hand is hopeless. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Dhawan is not that gr8 against spinners also . Gambhir was so had u taken his name i wud have agreed with u coz of his bad overseas record Clutch in odi, test not much to show The few thing that wud work for dhawan atleast has one good overseas tour Lack of backup option or lack of chances given to those option Main openers not doing well to They both are fragile to But then again he doesnt give much confidence either . So no point wasting time on him to Yes average of 42 for opener is not much to show. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Unfair to compare them with Dhawan who is an opener. They are bowlers or max bowling all rounder. U cant avg less then them Ok leave the comparison , avg of 28 is not acceptable 29 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Even Sehwag had similar averages and played 100+ tests. Dhawan especially can score outside. Maybe 1 or 2 fluke centuries, but he can. Sehwag had runs in Aus, Eng, SA- even if he failed atleast his runs in past gave team hope that he has done it before so he can do it again . Sehwag avg got affected in his last years where his poor attitude towards fitness hurted him n his lack of hunger to Dhawan is at his peek whats his excuse Dhawan has scored in NZ but thats it. Can is out of the picture now he has failed so much overseas and their are glaring weekness with his game . Then rahul is a better option 31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Yes average of 42 for opener is not much to show. Raydu avg 50 +, voges had a humengeous avg . Even rohit sharma avg 80 in NZ series his avg is also around 30 which isnt bad are these avgs showing the real picture That avg of 42 doesnt give any confidence to us in overseas and thats what is ahead. OK vijay n rahul has been inconsistent but atleast they have done something overseas to give us faith that they can do it again Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: They are bowlers or max bowling all rounder. U cant avg less then them Ok leave the comparison , avg of 28 is not acceptable Sehwag had runs in Aus, Eng, SA- even if he failed atleast his runs in past gave team hope that he has done it before so he can do it again . Sehwag avg got affected in his last years where his poor attitude towards fitness hurted him n his lack of hunger to Dhawan is at his peek whats his excuse Dhawan has scored in NZ but thats it. Can is out of the picture now he has failed so much overseas and their are glaring weekness with his game . Then rahul is a better option Raydu avg 50 +, voges had a humengeous avg . Even rohit sharma avg 80 in NZ series his avg is also around 30 which isnt bad are these avgs showing the real picture That avg of 42 doesnt give any confidence to us in overseas and thats what is ahead. OK vijay n rahul has been inconsistent but atleast they have done something overseas to give us faith that they can do it again Of all those players who opened in test cricket? Those are some random unrelated examples. All openers of 2010s. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 71 128 5 6107 253 49.65 8128 75.13 21 27 6 731 54 AN Cook (ENG) 2010-2018 102 184 10 8302 294 47.71 17655 47.02 22 35 5 945 8 GC Smith (SA) 2010-2014 38 66 4 2814 234 45.38 4878 57.68 9 12 1 329 6 D Elgar (SA) 2014-2018 37 63 4 2635 199 44.66 5703 46.20 9 10 3 312 17 CJL Rogers (AUS) 2013-2015 24 46 1 1996 173 44.35 3955 50.46 5 14 1 264 1 KL Rahul (INDIA) 2015-2018 22 34 1 1438 199 43.57 2527 56.90 4 10 3 165 11 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2018 29 49 1 2046 190 42.62 3070 66.64 6 5 4 274 9 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2010-2013 32 57 2 2338 173 42.50 2674 87.43 6 13 6 348 16 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2010-2018 42 81 1 3338 206 41.72 5796 57.59 7 23 5 393 31 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2010-2016 37 71 6 2662 224 40.95 4421 60.21 7 8 7 323 25 M Vijay (INDIA) 2010-2018 50 88 1 3539 167 40.67 7721 45.83 11 14 5 414 31 TWM Latham (NZ) 2014-2017 33 60 2 2266 177 39.06 4865 46.57 6 13 4 267 7 TM Dilshan (SL) 2010-2013 24 44 1 1645 193 38.25 2403 68.45 5 9 4 208 7 KC Brathwaite (WI) 2011-2017 44 82 5 2899 212 37.64 6817 42.52 6 16 10 283 9 FDM Karunaratne (SL) 2012-2018 48 92 3 3175 196 35.67 6667 47.62 7 14 9 316 6 AN Petersen (SA) 2010-2015 36 63 3 2077 182 34.61 4023 51.62 5 8 3 253 12 SR Watson (AUS) 2010-2013 22 40 1 1333 126 34.17 2518 52.93 1 9 2 182 12 NT Paranavitana (SL) 2010-2012 21 42 5 1262 111 34.10 3239 38.96 2 7 7 138 5 AJ Strauss (ENG) 2010-2012 31 51 1 1648 141 32.96 3556 46.34 3 9 6 195 2 G Gambhir (INDIA) 2010-2016 30 53 2 1566 116 30.70 3115 50.27 1 12 6 200 4 Imrul Kayes (BDESH) 2010-2018 23 44 2 1289 150 30.69 2512 51.31 2 4 1 172 10 JK Silva (SL) 2013-2017 34 63 0 1859 139 29.50 4627 40.17 2 12 4 220 2 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2010-2016 33 62 0 1746 156 28.16 3700 47.18 2 12 7 231 13 KOA Powell (WI) 2011-2017 29 53 1 1445 134 27.78 2976 48.55 3 3 4 201 8 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Of all those players who opened in test cricket? Those are some random unrelated examples. All openers of 2010s. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 71 128 5 6107 253 49.65 8128 75.13 21 27 6 731 54 AN Cook (ENG) 2010-2018 102 184 10 8302 294 47.71 17655 47.02 22 35 5 945 8 GC Smith (SA) 2010-2014 38 66 4 2814 234 45.38 4878 57.68 9 12 1 329 6 D Elgar (SA) 2014-2018 37 63 4 2635 199 44.66 5703 46.20 9 10 3 312 17 CJL Rogers (AUS) 2013-2015 24 46 1 1996 173 44.35 3955 50.46 5 14 1 264 1 KL Rahul (INDIA) 2015-2018 22 34 1 1438 199 43.57 2527 56.90 4 10 3 165 11 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2018 29 49 1 2046 190 42.62 3070 66.64 6 5 4 274 9 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2010-2013 32 57 2 2338 173 42.50 2674 87.43 6 13 6 348 16 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2010-2018 42 81 1 3338 206 41.72 5796 57.59 7 23 5 393 31 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2010-2016 37 71 6 2662 224 40.95 4421 60.21 7 8 7 323 25 M Vijay (INDIA) 2010-2018 50 88 1 3539 167 40.67 7721 45.83 11 14 5 414 31 TWM Latham (NZ) 2014-2017 33 60 2 2266 177 39.06 4865 46.57 6 13 4 267 7 TM Dilshan (SL) 2010-2013 24 44 1 1645 193 38.25 2403 68.45 5 9 4 208 7 KC Brathwaite (WI) 2011-2017 44 82 5 2899 212 37.64 6817 42.52 6 16 10 283 9 FDM Karunaratne (SL) 2012-2018 48 92 3 3175 196 35.67 6667 47.62 7 14 9 316 6 AN Petersen (SA) 2010-2015 36 63 3 2077 182 34.61 4023 51.62 5 8 3 253 12 SR Watson (AUS) 2010-2013 22 40 1 1333 126 34.17 2518 52.93 1 9 2 182 12 NT Paranavitana (SL) 2010-2012 21 42 5 1262 111 34.10 3239 38.96 2 7 7 138 5 AJ Strauss (ENG) 2010-2012 31 51 1 1648 141 32.96 3556 46.34 3 9 6 195 2 G Gambhir (INDIA) 2010-2016 30 53 2 1566 116 30.70 3115 50.27 1 12 6 200 4 Imrul Kayes (BDESH) 2010-2018 23 44 2 1289 150 30.69 2512 51.31 2 4 1 172 10 JK Silva (SL) 2013-2017 34 63 0 1859 139 29.50 4627 40.17 2 12 4 220 2 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2010-2016 33 62 0 1746 156 28.16 3700 47.18 2 12 7 231 13 KOA Powell (WI) 2011-2017 29 53 1 1445 134 27.78 2976 48.55 3 3 4 201 8 Does that avg give u any confidence regd him overseas?????? Hasnt he played n failed enough test overseas to show that he has major issues overseas ..... Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Does that avg give u any confidence regd him overseas?????? Hasnt he played n failed enough test overseas to show that he has major issues overseas ..... This is quite common in cricket. Almost all openers are failing overseas. Except Cook, there are not many batsmen with good all round record. Hell, most openers are struggling to cement their place because of failures even at home. That's why he isn't the worst option and should always remain in 15. Playing XI can vary according to captain's preferences. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: This is quite common in cricket. Almost all openers are failing overseas. Except Cook, there are not many batsmen with good all round record. Hell, most openers are struggling to cement their place because of failures even at home. That's why he isn't the worst option and should always remain in 15. Playing XI can vary according to captain's preferences. Standards of cricket is falling low doesnt mean we shud lower ours Him being in 15 is debatable, him having in 11 over rahul n vijay is bizzare specially when u want to play 5 batsman Now the debate of him being in 15 - U can either keep someone who can score in easier condition n fail in tough time n again or give chances to a potential youngsters who also can score in easy condition but has the potential to do well overseas and. In last 2 yrs options have emerged- Samarth, prashant chopra, mayank, shaw, gill , panchal .... Now can they do better then dhawan - we wont knw until we try. At the end of the day it all comes to down to choosing between investing in someone or being happy with mediocrity . Problem is him being in 15 makes the captain n coach think he has to be in starting lineup no matter what specially that he is a left hander which has caused an insecurity among better batsman like Rahul n vijay Link to comment
Lala Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Rohit anyway has fixed no.6 place in Tests but I cant guarantee on Dhawan with having KL & Vijay opening. Prateek3801 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Lala said: Rohit anyway has fixed no.6 place in Tests but I cant guarantee on Dhawan with having KL & Vijay opening. rohits test career is over....mark it Link to comment
anish2tweet Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 MSK prasad-pls drop rohit and dhawan from england test tour. U pls make ur own judgement. i dont see any technically sound opener in place of dhawan. I dont know how is Prashant Chopra technically so I cant comment. What happened to Jiwanjot singh But Gill/Nair can easily replace Rohit Link to comment
Number Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Rohit is done. Dhawan will remain in the mix. LORD_analyst 1 Link to comment
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