Maya kodnani Acquitted!!

[surajmal]

Kodnani's acquital has been a long time coming. Pretty astonishing how the entire gujarat affair was stage managed by 10JP from godhra burning to the riots and to the subsequent false cases. Namo is an effin saint for not taking revenge and focussing strictly on development (I keep hoping Shah is more human qualities and less of the saintly kind).  

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, BeardedAladdin said:

You're missing the bigger picture. Look at how the political spectrum has completely flipped. We're at a beginning, not at an end.

 

Hatred in indian society was far worse under congress, the period following Indira gandhi's emergency was the worst time in Indian history. Those days are long behind us now.

 

Minorities have no reason to revolt if they get what they want. If lower castes feel betrayed by the Congress - which they do, btw - then they'll voluntarily move towards BJP. This is the big question in indian politics: can hindutva defeat casteism. We'll see in 2019. The signs are encouraging - because I never, ever expected BJP to win by a landslide in Uttar pradesh. Congress' policies haven't done much for the upliftment of lower castes or muslims.

 

Your geopolitical scenario doesn't make sense either. The western world won't reign supreme forever, no chance. If anything, the western world is in decline, and they are looking inward as Russia and China become more influential. The new world order will look very different in the near-future. In any event, western countries want India to be a counter-weight to China, and the diplomatic ties reflect this.

 

And why should India 'win' against Pakistan? At most, a BJP-led government will settle Kashmir. Defeating pakistan isn't an end goal, they're a sovereign country and most Indians have no desire to 'take it over'. The idea is to build a self sufficient nation with a collective identity.

 

I don't believe in a war with China either, nobody does. They're a superpower in the making, if anything, India will become a manufacturing base for Chinese products. China will need India much in the same way the western world needed China throughout the last 2 decades. Regional instability hurts both countries, it'll never happen.

 

No one could deny the hatred and biased nature of BJP/RSS. You also don't deny it, but your sole argument is this that hatred also existed during Congress Period. 

 

So ask this question to yourself, if you have problem with Congress or with Secularism? Do you really want to continue the politics of extremist Hindutva hatred while you don't like Congress? 

 

You claim that Minorities are not going to revolt while they get what they want.

This argument is strange, while BJP/RSS have started the exploitation of the minorities as much as they can. No houses to rent for Muslims, no jobs for them, almost total social boycott of Muslims, compelling them to become the 2nd or 3rd class citizens of India. And you still claim that Muslims get what they want? 

And you still claim that hatred against Muslims was more under Congress than BJP? 

 

Same is with Christians and Sikhs and others. 

Do you really think that Christians love RSS Hindutva and satisfied to become 2nd class citizens? 

Do you really think that Sikhs love BJP led Hindutva?

 

There may be a minute numbers of Muslims/Christians/Sikhs which may support BJP led Hindutva due to politics and personal gains. But for sure very huge majority of them simply hate this extremist Hindutva politics and destruction of every Indian State institution at their hands and making Indian minorities their hostage. 

 

And you talk about politics and governments of the west, but for sure the normal people in the West hate RSS hindutva same way as Indian Christians hate the Hindutva. Normal people already cursing the Hindutva extremists. The images where Saffron Hindutva members going in processions with swords in hands .... The news of how saffron mobs killing people in name of respect and blasphemy of cow.... then it would be foolish to still think that Western people are still going to love India. 

 

No matter even if the western countries loose their power. Even Russian and Chinese people also hate this Hindutva practices. No one in the world is ever going to support it. Sooner of later you will feel the loneliness. 

[Clarke]

What was the basis of her conviction earlier and acquittal now ? Is it simply witnesses going hostile ?

 

How did this get into a farmer loan waiver discussion, which in itself is a complex discussion :/

[Garuda]

56 minutes ago, BeardedAladdin said:

I'm 30.

 

india shouldn't be an agrarian economy, it's about time this country had a strong manufacturing base to employ its young population. I have spoken about this earlier. The fact that India ignored manufacturing and built a shitty services based industry of IT coolies is the major reason for India's economic stagnation under the UPA government. The scenario you described is exactly what's happening right now. 

 

No, I don't have to thank farmers. They get free land, loan maafi, tax advantages, their kids get reservation. And yet they still don't get off the farms. They still beg for more. Aur kitne loan maaf Karein? Kab tak unki bheek pe ye desh chalti rahegi? And what do people like myself get? Nothing. Complicated tax schemes, bureaucracy and an environment that is unbearably unfriendly for starting a business. At least the BjP is beginning to address this discrepancy. How on earth can India retain its best people if they keep making policies favoring farmers and gareeb? 

 

I will never support farmers. I'm fine with reservations for chamars and musalmaans, but even those reservations have to be scaled back. People like myself should never have to leave India because some chamar has a reservation. We need reservation that actually helps the poor. every single upper caste man in India will agree with me on this. We should trying to bring people out of the farms, trying to improve efficiency instead of maintaining labor intensive operation. 

 

And by the way, the hindutvavaadis are socialists. They don't support my anti farmer, anti reservation opinions. VHP's Pravin togadia is always pushing for loan Maafi. So you're making a mistake by thinking that I'm from that crowd. I care about business far more than I'll ever care about ideology. Ultimately, I want a government that favors me and allows me to make money. 

 

Nirav modi and mallya could have created thousands of jobs, instead, they have to deal with a pathetic bureaucracy. Why shouldn't ambani make millions? Think of all the jobs he creates. Who does more for the economy, the industrialist or the chamar farmers? I understand the frustration of any businessman that wants to leave India, or tries to be corrupt. It's the system that forces our hand. 

I don't know what propaganda you listened to while growing up. Yes there are those farmers who gypped the govt but there are other farmers who commit suicide. It only takes a heartless person to say you hope they die. What you are doing is encouraging the poor to turn to communist, dalit parties and christian help. There are nutcases in every state who would be willing to help with foreign funded NGOs.

 

But how can you defend mallya and nirav modi who looted big time. You ARE playing the devil's advocate. Ambani made millions by marketing one thing and turning the price up when people are hooked on to it. Jio gives more data for less cost now but once he has monopoly on hte market, he will increase the prices.

 

You are talking about job creation. those jobs will be underpaid high school passed call center agents. There are IT companies who target high school passouts for IT jobs and once they are dumped wont even have a real degree to call back on. Im sure you also believe that Mumbai Indians cares about the charity that they are doing. Its all eye wash. They are like a electronics salesman - only smiling until the deal is done and no response later.

 

[Garuda]

33 minutes ago, BeardedAladdin said:

Yaar, I'm not encouraging anything. I'm just one man with an opinion.

 

BJP is pro farmer and pro reservation. You won't find my opinion in their electoral campaign. 

 

 

I dont care about reseration but farming is very important. APJAK's dream is that India would be a superpower but a new kind of superpower which is agricultural and prosperity based with technology and proper government.

I find your opinion troubling dude. Its not about one man's opinion but you are sending out negative vibrations like that and with the help of technology some young guy may get some of that. Economy and prosperity may look complicated but ultimately they are based on food security.

 

PS: Religious symbology - You may see photos of Sri Lakshmi with gold coins dropping out of her hand but in olden days it was grains of rice.

[Garuda]

And ambani isnt going to give you rice if you know what I mean

[rkt.india]

19 hours ago, randomGuy said:

What percentage of loan waiver actually goes to the needy framers? Not a rhetorical question. Seriously interested to know.

loanwaiver is loanwaiver. they dont get any percentage, but their loan is scrapped off.

[randomGuy]

59 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

loanwaiver is loanwaiver. they dont get any percentage, but their loan is scrapped off.

I was asking real Needy vs fraud vs rich farmer. 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

I was asking real Needy vs fraud vs rich farmer. 

it does go to the needy farmers.  My brother works in the biggest govt grameen bank of UP and is posted at one of the poorest and backward area and they worked in night shifts during UP farmers Loanwaiver.   

Edited April 24, 2018 by rkt.india