Is Anderson the best Test bowler England ever found?

[Trichromatic]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Anderson averages 34.2 away from home.

  

He cannot be the best ever bowler from England.

 

(  If Pujara is criticized all the time, as he scores heavily at home and not away, then so should be Anderson )

 

 

He averages 32.6 outside England.

 

He is rated mainly for his performances after 2010 during which he has picked 152 wickets at avg of 28.8 away from home, 252 wickets at home at avg of 20.9

 

Pujara isn't comparable. He averages 34 away from home. How many teams keep 34 averaging batsman as specialist in their team? There are many teams which have bowlers averaging 32 consistently playing for them. 

[Trichromatic]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

International players cannot be judged based on home performances only.  

 

If Anderson were an Asian cricketer, you would see articles galore on this ... and multiple TV shows on this.

And he wasn't rated ATG for that reason. 

 

But now when he becomes highest wicket taking pacer, he might be considered as ATG.

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

International players cannot be judged based on home performances only.  

 

If Anderson were an Asian cricketer, you would see articles galore on this ... and multiple TV shows on this.

Yes, they are, example Sehwag who averages 33 in SENA countries.  If you are exceptional at home, you will still be considered great.  Same way, for me like Sehwag who was exceptional at home, Pujara is also exceptional at home especially now when we are producing more turners and seeing low scoring games, his runs are not less important and i still consider him an Indian great.  Jaywardhene is also an SL great despite doing nothing overseas only because of his home record. if Pujara had played in 2000s in India, he would have been averaging much more. 

[express bowling]

36 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, they are, example Sehwag who averages 33 in SENA countries.  If you are exceptional at home, you will still be considered great.  Same way, for me like Sehwag who was exceptional at home, Pujara is also exceptional at home. his runs are not less important and i still consider him an Indian great.  Jaywardhene is also an SL great despite doing nothing overseas only because of his home record. if Pujara had played in 2000s in India, he would have been averaging much more. 

Sehwag holds a special place because he completely demolished attacks and took the game away, on the days he played. Also because he had this ability of playing these really big knocks in so few deliveries. Also, his entertainment factor made him very popular 

 

But he is not really held in the same class as a Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid or Kohli.

 

If Pujara finishes his career in the same vein as he is going now ... he will just be remembered as a top batsmen at home and a HTB.

 

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especially now when we are producing more turners and seeing low scoring games,

 

From 2016 onwards, we have produced very few rank turners at home.  The first 2 tests vs Australia 2017 and the 4th test vs England 2016 ... were the only rank turners.  Most were flattish pitches and there were 3 greentops at Eden 2016, Dharamsala 2017 and Eden 2017.

 

 

[express bowling]

57 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

He averages 32.6 outside England.

 

It seems that performances in the UAE are not registered as " away " performances on cricinfo, as Pakistan does not have a " home " in cricket.

 

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He is rated mainly for his performances after 2010 during which he has picked 152 wickets at avg of 28.8 away from home, 252 wickets at home at avg of 20.9

 

 

 

He is a good bowler now and exceptional at home.

 

But we cannot pick and choose good periods while considering careers of ATGs.   Many of the actual ATG bowlers have unusually low averages during their peak 6 to 8 years.

[Trichromatic]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It seems that performances in the UAE are not registered as " away " performances on cricinfo, as Pakistan does not have a " home " in cricket.

  

 

He is a good bowler now and exceptional at home.

 

But we cannot pick and choose good periods while considering careers of ATGs.   Many of the actual ATG bowlers have unusually low averages during their peak 6 to 8 years.

Normally we never pick and choose and he isn't undisputed ATG. But when he becomes highest wicket taker, this discussion is bound to come up.

 

If he was averaging 23 or less, he would have been ATG material by the time he crossed 300+ wickets.

 

He averages 26.83 now. Say he ends up with 600 wickets, then in that case volume of wickets will certainly have some weight compared to his good average.

 

 

[kira]

30 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Normally we never pick and choose and he isn't undisputed ATG. But when he becomes highest wicket taker, this discussion is bound to come up.

 

If he was averaging 23 or less, he would have been ATG material by the time he crossed 300+ wickets.

 

He averages 26.83 now. Say he ends up with 600 wickets, then in that case volume of wickets will certainly have some weight compared to his good average.

 

 

He will never be an ATG unless he fixes his record in australia, south africa and India and at this stage of his career it is impossible to fix now, he will remain a borderline ATG and an England great but expect the english to hype him up as the greatest bowler of all time when he retires 

[velu]

anderson is the son of saranyu ( god of clouds )