At Edgbaston

[zen]

Just now, R!TTER said:

Then what is he doing taking up a spot of someone like say Jadeja, who would've been handy at Edbaston? If he's not better than any of the alternatives playing, or in the shed - what's he doing out in the middle?

And Jadeja is better than any of the top 6 batsmen? 

[R!TTER]

Just now, zen said:

And Jadeja is better than any of the top 6 batsmen? 

He's 10x the bowler that Pandya is atm, he is still ranked 3 in the world IIRC. If that doesn't give you a clue, I guess Pandya's invisible potential does?

[zen]

Just now, R!TTER said:

He's 10x the bowler that Pandya is atm, he is still ranked 3 in the world IIRC. If that doesn't give you a clue, I guess Pandya's invisible potential does?

We have 4 specialist bowlers and 5 specialist batsmen. Are you saying that Jadeja isn't good enough to play as one of the specialist bowlers? And only way he can come in is by replacing an AR, who is there to lend support to both batting and bowling 

 

 

[R!TTER]

Just now, zen said:

We have 4 specialist bowlers and 5 specialist batsmen. Are you saying that Jadeja isn't good enough to play as one of the specialist bowlers? And only way he can come in is by replacing an AR, who is there to lend support to both batting and bowling 

 

 

If you'd stop chuckling you'll realize that I'm talking about Jadeja replacing Pandya the A/R, of course I rate Jadeja the current best spinner in the world. That should give you a clue btw where did Pandya bat in the first match - what does that tell you about the confidence of TM^tm in his batting abilities?

[zen]

Just now, R!TTER said:

If you'd stop chuckling you'll realize that I'm talking about Jadeja replacing Pandya the A/R, of course I rate Jadeja the current best spinner in the world. That should give you a clue btw where did Pandya bat in the first match - what does that tell you about the confidence of TM^tm in his batting abilities?

Your ratings are flawed like your logic and this thread .... Pandya has been one of our best batsmen in this series .... He was our 2nd best bowler in the last test despite being the 5th bowler 

 

And then you have it in you to talk about TM's confidence when the same TM did not consider Jadeja for even a place in the 11, whereby showing by your logic the confidence TM has in Jadeja's abilities in these conditions 

 

Go play with kids. Conjuring up such threads only highlights the dumbness of many of the Indian cricket fans

[zen]

Imagine if we had Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, etc. all batting at their peak

 

 

[R!TTER]

Just now, zen said:

Your ratings are flawed like your logic and this thread .... Pandya has been one of our best batsmen in this series .... He was our 2nd best bowler in the last test despite being the 5th bowler 

 

And then you have it in you to talk about TM's confidence when the same TM did not consider Jadeja for even a place in the 11, whereby showing by your logic the confidence TM has in Jadeja's abilities in these conditions 

 

Go play with kids. Conjuring up such threads only highlights the dumbness of many of the Indian cricket fans

So from being the second best batter - he's now one of the best, based on his <let me see> ever decreasing, latest avg of 21.6 this series? Two cheap wickets - when lead was well over 200, makes him the second best bowler? Wow, really low expectations these.

 

Jadeja is not there in the 11 because they prefer Ashwin's batting over his, in case you forgot most of ICF probably thinks the same. Anyone who's watched Jadeja over the last 3 years will agree that he's just as good as Ashwn, if not better on flat tracks.

 

Keep defending this dhool ka phool, maybe he'll hit a grand total of 200 runs in the next 5 innings.

Edited August 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[zen]

8 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

So from being the second best batter - he's now one of the best, based on his <let me see> ever decreasing, latest avg of 21.6 this series? Two cheap wickets - when lead was well over 200, makes him the second best bowler? Wow, really low expectations these.

 

Jadeja is not there in the 11 because they prefer Ashwin's batting over his, in case you forgot most of ICF probably thinks the same. Anyone who's watched Jadeja over the last 3 years will agree that he's just as good as Ashwn, if not better on flat tracks.

 

Keep defending this dhool ka phool, maybe he'll hit a grand total of 200 runs in the next 5 innings.

Again irrelevant discussion when batting avgs have decreased for others as well and when he is the 2nd best bowler, implying that other specialist bowlers performed poorly 

 

Understand this: based on how TM goes, India will not play 5 specialist bowlers unless these conditions meet - a) the track is batting friendly, b) the specialists batsmen are all in great nick, c) and the WK is performing with the bat too

Edited August 18, 2018 by zen

[R!TTER]

13 hours ago, zen said:

Again irrelevant discussion when batting avgs have decreased for others as well and when he is the 2nd best bowler, implying that other specialist bowlers performed poorly 

 

Understand this: based on how TM goes, India will not play 5 specialist bowlers unless these conditions meet - a) the track is batting friendly, b) the specialists batsmen are all in great nick, c) and the WK is performing with the bat too

No you're wrong, Rahane's avg increased after this innings, Pandya's decreased further even though this was a relative featherbed. As a supposed A/R he's avg a freaking 49+ in this year, on the most seam friendly tacks we've played in a long while. The main pacers avg about 25 IIRC, nice try bringing in his last bowling innings yet ignoring the other 9 

 

Let's recap what the TM^tm has, for a game plan -

1. Mandatory change every test, even though your best bowler (Kumar in SA) sits out
2. Make room for Pandya the A/R, even though he's done nothing A/Rery this year
3. Play LO hacks at every opportunity possible
4. Disregard the conditions and play extra seamer (Centurion) or spinner (Lords) when virtually every expert said the opposite

Edited August 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[zen]

Just now, R!TTER said:

No you're wrong, Rahane's avg increased after this innings, Pandya's decreased further even though this was a relative featherbed. As a supposed A/R he's avg a freaking 49+ in this year, on the most seam friendly tacks we've played in a long while. The main pacers avg about 25 IIRC, nice try bringing in his last bowling innings yet ignoring the other 9 

 

Let's recap what the TM^tm has, for a game plan -

Again a foolish notion being introduced. Based on your dumb logic, if Rahane scores less than 80 in innings moving forward, he would be doing badly 

 

Already mentioned that he bowls less number of balls per tests so his avg is high. Which also shows why a 5th specialist bowler is not picked as one of the bowlers is underbowled so one has to optimize the 4 bowling slots 

 

And yes, the TM is brilliant or dumb based on the agenda that suits you 

[R!TTER]

13 hours ago, zen said:

Again a foolish notion being introduced. Based on your dumb logic, if Rahane scores less than 80 in innings moving forward, he would be doing badly 

 

Already mentioned that he bowls less number of balls per tests so his avg is high. Which also shows why a 5th specialist bowler is not picked as one of the bowlers is underbowled so one has to optimize the 4 bowling slots 

 

And yes, the TM is brilliant or dumb based on the agenda that suits you 

Dumb logic, what do you know about logic? You're claiming one innings, where he picked up cheap wickets, to prove that Pandya is not that bad a bowler! Rahane has to perform consistently for him to be considered a good batsman, that's it. It could be a match winning/turning 50, 100 or 40 odd like in SA. Pandya has 1 fluky innings out of 12 FFS.

 

In places where the match ends in 3 or 4 days, how many overs do you expect Pandya to bowl? What's his S/R btw, my bad just shy of 15 overs!

 

TM is dumb, where did you see the opposite being stated? Agenda - let's see what the Pandya fanclub comes up with after the test is over!

Edited August 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[zen]

20 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Dumb logic, what do you know about logic? You're claiming one innings, where he picked up cheap wickets, to prove that Pandya is not that bad a bowler! Rahane has to perform consistently for him to be considered a good batsman, that's it. It could be a match winning/turning 50, 100 or 40 odd like in SA. Pandya has 1 fluky innings out of 12 FFS.

 

In places where the match ends in 3 or 4 days, how many overs do you expect Pandya to bowl? What's his S/R btw, my bad just shy of 15 overs!

 

TM is dumb, where did you see the opposite being stated? Agenda - let's see what the Pandya fanclub comes up with after the test is over!

This is getting hilarious. I said Pandya was our 2nd best bowlers, implying that others were not up to the mark (highlighting the problem with our specialists). Pandya does not have to be our 2nd or 3rd or 4th best bowler. He is a support 5th bowler 

 

If Pandya is not required to bowl much, it is a good thing as it implies that specialist bowlers are doing their job 

 

Pandya is already in the playing 11, no one has to do anything. And I support Pandya because I like to back promising players with fighting sprit and have seen India struggle w/o decent AR options .... It is the manipulative fans who want to their fav player to play and see Pandya's spot as one which can be attacked so they conjure up foolish threads like this one. Rather than supporting a new promising player w/ never say die sprit and giving him enough games to come to terms with test cricket 

 

PS As for Jadeja, he will usually only play when there is a case to play 2 specialist spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots .... And there too he would have to compete with Kuldeep, who I support along with Pandya and Pant, and Ashwin for one of the spots 

 

/discussion

Edited August 18, 2018 by zen

[R!TTER]

14 hours ago, zen said:

This is getting hilarious. I said Pandya was our 2nd best bowlers, implying that others were not up to the mark. Pandya does not have to be our 2nd or 3rd or 4th best bowler. He is a support 5th bowler 

 

If Pandya is not required to bowl, it is a good thing as it implies that specialist bowlers are doing their job 

 

Pandya is already in the playing 11, so the fan club does not have to do anything. And I support Pandya because I like to back promising players with fighting sprit and have seen India struggle w/o decent AR options .... It is the manipulative fans who want to their fav player to play and see Pandya's spot as one which can be attacked so they conjure up foolish threads like this one. Rather than supporting a new promising player w/ never say die sprit and giving him enough games to come to terms with test cricket 

 

/discussion

Keep ending the discussion yourself, because you have no valid points.

Also this is your never say die attitude player 

/thread 

Edited August 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[zen]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Keep ending the discussion yourself, because you have no valid points.

Also this is your never say die attitude player 

/thread 

^ again cherry picking .... irrelevant discussion 

 

"PS As for Jadeja, he will usually only play when there is a case to play 2 specialist spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots .... And there too he would have to compete with Kuldeep, who I support along with Pandya and Pant, and Ashwin for one of the spots"

 

^ Added the above to my previous post 

[zen]

Another thread disguised to attack young cricketers such as Pandya goes down the drain .... and that too to play Jadeja in this conditions

 

Please lock such irrelevant "imaginary" scenarios threads 

Edited August 19, 2018 by zen

[R!TTER]

Just now, zen said:

Another thread disguised to attack young cricketers such as Pandya goes down the drain .... and that too to play Jadeja in this conditions

 

Please lock such irrelevant "imaginary" scenarios threads 

1 good innings with the ball in a total of 11, take your hindsight is 20/20 elsewhere!

[zen]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

1 good innings with the ball in a total of 11, take your hindsight is 20/20 elsewhere!

learn to appreciate good performances and the constant improvement .... or visit a shrink 

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, zen said:

learn to appreciate good performances and the constant improvement .... or visit a shrink 

People have littered crap everywhere.  One good spell has changed his stats.  It shows how less he has bowled till now, has barely bowled with new or harder ball, and it was a very small sample size.  Even yesterday, he got lucky because Ashwin was injured and could not bowl,. so, he got a fairly new and harder ball. At this point, one great spell, one poor spell can change the stats drastically.

Edited August 20, 2018 by rkt.india

[R!TTER]

Just now, rkt.india said:

People have littered crap everywhere.  One good spell has changed his stats.  It shows how less he has bowled till now, has barely bowled with new or harder ball, and it was a very small sample size.  Even yesterday, he got lucky because Ashwin was injured and could not bowl,. so, he got a fairly new and harder ball. At this point, one great spell, one poor spell can change the stats drastically.

Yeah shows how much he has to prove, one great spell in 11 innings, 2 or 3 good ones in total on the most seamer friendly tracks we've played in the last 16 years.

8 hours ago, zen said:

go back yo your imaginary world

Zip it, you'd crawl right back if or when he fails in the next few games.

[zen]

12 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Zip it, you'd crawl right back if or when he fails in the next few games.

 Does not even understand cric and acts as if this is some kind of a stock market where shares go up and down daily

 

Instead of appreciating a good performance and being happy for a youngster, this tool spent its time on deriding even Pandya’s decent performances, coming up with unnecessary criterias / benchmarks, and now is probably thinking about what it will do if and when Pandya fails

Edited August 20, 2018 by beetle