express bowling Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Test series vs WI 1. Shaw 2. New opener with good off-stump game 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Vihari 6. Shankar 7. Pant 8. Jadeja 9. Kuldeep 10. Siraj 11. Saini 12. Rahul -- needs rest after looong England tour and Asia Cup. Can play 2nd test. 13. Nair 14. Rajpoot 15. Shami 16. Gopal -- Bumrah, Pandya and Ashwin need rest. -- Dhawan, Rahane, Karthick dropped -- Ishant not good in Asia. There are better prospects than Shardul. -- Need to try out Shankar as proper batsman who can bowl seam. -- This series should be used to get ready for the Australia tour ... drop HTBs and TTFs and choose proper test prospects who have the game to succeed in Australia. -- Will stick with 5 bowling options. -- Siraj, Saini and Rajpoot should be tried out in actual test matches. Don't waste this chance. -- New opener should have good off stump game and should be good against the bouncing ball. Test series vs Australia Squad ( vision as of today ... can be updated later ) 1. Shaw 2. Rahul 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Vihari 6. Pant 7. Pandya / Shankar / Bhuvi 8. Jadeja 9. Ishant 10. Siraj / Shami 11. Bumrah 12.New opener with good off-stump game 13. Nair 14. Shankar / Pandya 15. Shami / Siraj 16. Saini 17. Bhuvi 18. Ashwin -- I will choose 4 pacers and 1 spinner combo. This is needed so that our fast bowlers can bowl shorter spells with high intensity on the flat Australian tracks. -- Choice of 4th pacer cum batsman would depend on pitch type. Pandya on flat tracks ... Bhuvi or Shankar on seaming tracks. Choice of Bhuvi or Shankar would depend on whether a better bowler is needed or a better batsmen. -- This 11 has batting till 8. -- Will choose Siraj in playing 11 if he impresses against the WI. Otherwise Shami. -- New opener should have good off stump game and should be good against the bouncing ball. Edited September 11, 2018 by express bowling UrmiSinhaRay, Nikola, bowl_out and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Please choose your preferred squads. Give reasons only if you want to. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Lets not think about Aus tour as of now- form n fitness is not knwn For aus tour we shud mark down players and take them on Nz-A tour. Once we knw the schedule of that ....what player to select for that tour shud be discussed 1st Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) For WI series Shaw Rahul Pujara Kohli Gill Vihari Pant Jadeja Kuldip Siraj Shami Gill Bharat Saini Agarwal Mavi Aus tour Shaw Rahul Agarwal Kohli Pujara Gill Vihari Pant Bharat Pandya Shankar Jadeja Kuldip Ishant Bumrah Saini Siraj Bhuvi Edited September 10, 2018 by Sgattick10 express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Lets not think about Aus tour as of now- form n fitness is not knwn For aus tour we shud mark down players and take them on Nz-A tour. Once we knw the schedule of that ....what player to select for that tour shud be discussed 1st No. Thinking about Australian tour squad should start from now. There should be a clear idea about what is needed. Otherwise we will see HTBs and TTFs playing against WI and blocking the needed players for Australia. Last minute adjustments can always be made. Sgattick10 and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, express bowling said: No. Thinking about Australian tour squad should start from now. There should be a clear idea about what is needed. Otherwise we will see HTBs and TTFs playing against WI and blocking the needed players for Australia. Last minute adjustments can always be made. Thinking yes , marking players yes but selecting a final squad- No u think KL n Pant will go if they fail against WI and what if Vijay piles on runs in this time ....he will knock the doors What if rahane finds form in this time , the guy is importnat in overseas Rather squad as of now we shud look at probables for Aus tour And a plan shud be made to analyse these players through WI series n NZ-A tour Link to comment
Brainfade Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 As long as Siraj, Shaw and Vihari are in the XI; Agarwal, Saini and maybe Rajpoot are in the 15; and Dhawan and Rahane are "rested," I will be thrilled. express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
R.D forever Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Dont care about WI series.. should be used to try newbies Team for Aus 1)Shaw/Mayank ( Might be a flop show like Pant but we desperately need backup openers2)Rahul/Vijay ( Yes Vijay, who was unfairly dropped after Lords minefield when players like Rahane Dhawan and Rahul gets million chances)3)Pujara4)Kohli5)Rahane/Rohit/Manish Pandey( Rohit just to put pressure on Rahane)6)Vihari - No allrounder business. Batting is weak can't carry baggage like Pandya7) DK/Pant ( Again DK unfairly dropped. Played decently in 1st test 2nd innings)8) Ashwin ( Yes he *ed up in 4th test but even a half fit Ashwin was better than Jadeja in 5th test. Jadejas bowling was like a part timer9) Ishant10) Bumrah11) Bhuvi/ Shami Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Link to comment
zen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) the 2 tests vs WI and 4 tests vs Aus are the last two series of the 2010s. Some of the players are fading so it is probably the right time to start introducing players who can take the baton for 2020s .... Ideally, I do not want anyone above age 31 in the squad for these two series Edited September 10, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, R.D forever said: 5)Rahane/Rohit/Manish Pandey( Rohit just to put pressure on Rahane) Rohit agar pressure dalne ke liye rkhna hai to have dhawan to to put pressure on Rahul atleast he is a better test batsman then rohit Mazak krna hai to kuch bhi krlo UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Thinking yes , marking players yes but selecting a final squad- No This is our vision of the squad to Australia as of today and not the final squad. We are not selectors. 43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: u think KL n Pant will go if they fail against WI and what if Vijay piles on runs in this time ....he will knock the doors This is what I am against. Piling on runs where ? Should have no bearing on the squad selection for Australia as Vijay has shown that he is not mentally strong enough now to put up a fight on tough away tours. 43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What if rahane finds form in this time , the guy is importnat in overseas Rahane is not out of form. He is middling the ball well when he is batting. He has lost his spetite for a fight on tough tours. We need players with fire n their bellies. 43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Rather squad as of now we shud look at probables for Aus tour And a plan shud be made to analyse these players through WI series n NZ-A tour That will happen automatically. Just give your vision as of today. Update it as the actual selection date nears. Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, express bowling said: This is what I am against. Piling on runs where ? Should have no bearing on the squad selection for Australia as Vijay has shown that he is not mentally strong enough now to put up a fight on tough away tours. He is playing county and made a 50, their is domestic the problem with him was his poor attitude which can be changed with a kick on back If we have to win in Aus we need to have experienced players...... SO have vijay on radar provided he keeps making runs in whatever chances Just now, express bowling said: Rahane is not out of form. He is middling the ball well when he is batting. He has lost his spetite for a fight on tough tours. He is short of confidence, Also a glitch with him n rahul both who are getting squared up while defending One thing with vijay n rahane is that they have quality...so ill always have them on radar but now their back is against the wall and it shudnt be easy for them. Just now, express bowling said: We need players with fire n their bellies. Agreed but that alone wnt be enough Pandya showed fight and application but fell short on experience and more At the end quality n experience is also needed Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: He is playing county and made a 50, their is domestic the problem with him was his poor attitude which can be changed with a kick on back If we have to win in Aus we need to have experienced players...... Experience is overrated. Both tours to Sena this year were studded with experienced batsmen. And we faltered pathetically. Inexperienced Vihari scored a 50 on debut. Inexperienced Bumrah was the leader of the attack after 4 tests. While senior pacers could not take on that responsibility. Yes, a few seniors are needed in the mix and in batting we have Kohli and Pujara for that. And even Rahul. Quote One thing with vijay n rahane is that they have quality...so ill always have them on radar but now their back is against the wall and it shudnt be easy for them. Agreed but that alone wnt be enough Pandya showed fight and application but fell short on experience and more At the end quality n experience is also needed Vihari and Shaw seem to have quality. With Kohli, Pujara and Rahul ... it will be a nice mix of experience and youth. Edited September 10, 2018 by express bowling Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, express bowling said: Just give your vision as of today. Update it as the actual selection date nears. For that i need to knw when is NZ-A tour happening coz i really wanna send some seniors on that tour Assuming its after WI test series- Pujara, Rahane, Pandya, Shankar, Vihari, Nair, Shaw, Mayank, Saini, Siraj, Pant wud be on that flight and it shud be used as prep for Aus tour Pujara n Rahane will greately benefit from spending some time with dravid. Dravid has gone through this phase and his company will help them. Also pandya needs to work on his batting in those conditions n shankar bowling effectiveness needs to assesed Assuming It clashes with WI series - Then its a tough one, coz the better prep wud be NZ tour but Selectors will definitely go seniors in WI team . But i Hope we make good Helpful tracks for WI series and they have good pace attack....even though the diff wud be huge but i hope its a bit of test. Also i hope we cud play 3 seamers at home due to those conditions so we can test Siraj n Saini both may be with Umesh . Pandya or Shankar will also enjoy bowling. Kohli shud be given rest even from Wi series , hopefully he gains some perspective to sitting back in peace. Bumrah shud be rested from whole series to Shami, bhuvi, Ishant can also skip Wi series and play a domestic before Aus tour to have some game time. Also their state shud bat them higher up the order in those games Dont bring back ashwin unless he is fully healed Jadeja post WI test shud go back to domestic n his state shud bat him up the order so he keeps getting runs under his belt In case WI series Clashes with NZ-A tour , will have to drop one of Pujara n Rahane .....may be ill take pujara on NZ-A tour coz m concerned about his game agianst pace n bounce. Rahane can play WI series be captain n bat at 3......him getting runs here might help his confidence as Subcontinet condition is like monkey on his back. Rest i hve ideas but it revolves around when BCCI plans NZ-A tour ( that is what wud be idle for Aus tour) For Aus tour here are my probable Openers- Rahul, Shaw, Mayank, Vijay (outside chance) No. 3- Pujara, rahane or if both fails may be one among openers No.4 - Kohli No. 5 - Rahane, Nair, Pujara, Vihari No. 6 - Pandya and shankar WK- Pant/Saha/KS bharat Spinner- Ashwin , Jadeja , kuldeep (outside chance) Pacers- Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant, Saini, Umesh With time, few games, fitness and form ill keep chopping this down. Im not looking much outside this group as it be unrealistic thought knowing how selectors work. 3 ppl they ll consider -Rohit, karthik n dhawan ...i dnt wanna think about them Link to comment
zen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Below is the 11 that I would prefer: Openers: Shaw and Rahul Batsmen: Pujara, Kohli and Vihari, can bowl off-spin but needs to learn to utilize the rough areas WK: Pant (Saha if available) AR: Pandya Spinner / Pace Bowler: TBD based on conditions. If spinner, would prefer a mystery one Pace Bowlers: 3 from Bumrah, Shami, Saini, Ishant, Siraj, Yadav and Bhuvi Except Saha, everyone is less than 31 years of age. Shami's age is a question mark though .... The 11 has a nice mix of experienced players and new ones who can take up the responsibility in 2020s .... Pandya, who has the ability to bowl at 140+ and hit 100s, could become a key player for Ind if handled properly. We have players who are consistent. Pandya's role would be to try to give Ind the momentum or snatch the initiative from the opposition, either through a good burst of support pace bowling or quick runs. His fielding is a bonus. Where our players drop catches, he can create chances. He would be more like a Swiss Army Knife PS Vs. WI, we would play 2 seamers + 2 spinners + AR Edited September 10, 2018 by zen express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Experience is overrated. Both tours to Sena this year were studded with experienced batsmen. And we faltered pathetically. Inexperienced Vihari scored a 50 on debut. Lets not forget vihari had luck going his way and conditions were better (not taking anything away from him) . The way he was hooking i have my doubts about him to in aus , infact even about pant n pandya batting. So ill like to keep every option open I count experience highly , youngster will bring inconsistency but yea we can say so has our senior player but m assuming both at their best who ll give me more benefits Now lets see if these seniors strike that max ability 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Inexperienced Bumrah was the leader of the attack after 4 tests. While senior pacers could not take on that responsibility. Yes, a few seniors are needed in the mix and in batting we have Kohli and Pujara for that. And even Rahul. Indian seamer do mostly well when they are young an inexp , its when they are filled up with to much info . So Ill hands down take Siraj over someone like Umesh Batsman n spinner i take expereince in the wings 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Vihari and Shaw seem to have quality. With Kohli, Pujara and Rahul ... it will be a nice mix of experience and youth. Quality yes Weakness to yes It was not that pujara didnt have quality but he to struggled in his 1st overseas cycle and Rahul also has a lot of quality he to is struggling. Pujara hasnt been gr8 either, so acc to me his place also shud be under question overseas. As of now im keeping all options open apart from the disasters ones. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I also wanna Add above I wanna have Max data which includes games in WI, NZ-A, Aus practice game before deciding the final XI coz if u get ur 1st-11 wrong in 1st test ur 1-0 and then ur chasing. 1st test is in Adelaide and thats kohli lucky ground , so i wud like if we get the best XI so atleast we can have a good Chance . So ill prefer waiting to see everything , coz in reallity their isnt much diff in players may be with exception of 2-3 . When the margin isnt that much lets see at time closes by Link to comment
zen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: I also wanna Add above I wanna have Max data which includes games in WI, NZ-A, Aus practice game before deciding the final XI coz if u get ur 1st-11 wrong in 1st test ur 1-0 and then ur chasing. 1st test is in Adelaide and thats kohli lucky ground , so i wud like if we get the best XI so atleast we can have a good Chance . So ill prefer waiting to see everything , coz in reallity their isnt much diff in players may be with exception of 2-3 . When the margin isnt that much lets see at time closes by You could do all the hard work but at the end of the day, the selectors could just continue with the same squad Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, zen said: You could do all the hard work but at the end of the day, the selectors could just continue with the same squad i knw , so m only looking at realistic probables ....... M not even going towards gill, gopal or few others Link to comment
zen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: i knw , so m only looking at realistic probables ....... M not even going towards gill, gopal or few others post karo tentative 11 .... it not like we are selecting the real 11 express bowling 1 Link to comment
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