Rohit Sharma's SR in LOIs

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Wait what? he don't avg that. If so even bradman won't avg 50+ leave 100. I have agreed upon him batting bit more fast like taking 4 - 5 less balls in his failures which will make impact in close games but winning or loosing will then depend if other batsman can put big score. 

It is not just Rohit. People have complained about SR of high avg openers like Ganguly as well 

 

At the start, when you have 10 wkts in hand and with fielding restrictions on for first 10 overs, a team can afford to take relatively more risks. If a batsman goes all out and succeeds, the team is in good position. If he gets out in doing so, you still have 9 wkts in hand. Which is why Ind may need to evaluate its approach if the par scores are high (and esp. if the bowlers go for runs) 

 

 

[zen]

Ind openers in ICC and world events

 

iew overall figures [change view] Primary team India  Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1983  Trophy Benson & Hedges World Championship of Cricket  or ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut)  or ICC Cricket World Cup Qualifier (ICC Trophy)  or ICC Development ODI Series  or ICC Super Series ODIs  or ICC World Cricket League or ICC World Cricket League Championship  or MRF World Series (Nehru Cup)  or World Cup  Batting position between 1 and 2  Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 250  Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0   V Sehwag 2002-2011 18 18 2 678 126 42.37 670 101.19 1 5 1 S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 SR Tendulkar 1996-2011 31 30 0 1548 141 51.60 1778 87.06 4 9 1 SC Ganguly 1998-2007 15 15 2 869 183 66.84 1040 83.55 4 2 1 SM Gavaskar 1983-1987 9 9 1 262 103* 32.75 320 81.87 1 1 0 RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 K Srikkanth 1983-1992 29 29 2 852 93* 31.55 1208 70.52 0 7 3 RJ Shastri 1983-1992 9 9 1 281 63* 35.12 581 48.36 0 4 0

 

• IF Rohit is going to fail vs strong teams, it could be pointless to open with him. Might as well try opening with someone like Pant, who is expected to be in the squad, in lieu of Shaw / Agarwal. Rohit can be played in the MO (and do well if he is an improved player since 2013) 
• Doing well in bilaterals, where you can eventually cover up vs. the same opposition over a bunch of games, is good but Rohit needs to pull up his socks in key events

Edited February 19, 2019 by zen

[Moochad]

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2016-2019	54	54	7	2964	208*	63.06	3045	97.33	13	11	2	265	110
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2016-2019	50	50	4	2159	132*	46.93	2200	98.13	6	12	2	282	27
DA Warner (AUS)	2016-2018	39	39	1	2064	179	54.31	1991	103.66	10	5	0	219	33
JJ Roy (ENG)	2016-2018	49	49	2	1965	180	41.80	1824	107.73	5	9	4	224	39
Q de Kock (SA)	2016-2019	45	45	2	1887	178	43.88	1917	98.43	4	11	2	214	36
HM Amla (SA)	2016-2019	46	46	2	1707	154	38.79	1938	88.08	5	8	2	191	15
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2016-2019	40	40	2	1680	180*	44.21	1834	91.60	5	7	3	169	55
AJ Finch (AUS)	2016-2019	43	42	0	1540	124	36.66	1688	91.23	5	9	2	152	40
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2017-2018	27	27	3	1265	141*	52.70	1151	109.90	5	2	1	148	26
AD Hales (ENG)	2016-2018	28	28	2	1169	171	44.96	1194	97.90	4	7	3	136	21
N Dickwella (SL)	2017-2019	30	29	0	985	95	33.96	985	100.00	0	8	0	119	11
Fakhar Zaman (PAK)	2017-2019	23	23	1	902	114	41.00	1000	90.20	1	7	1	107	14
WU Tharanga (SL)	2017-2018	21	20	1	731	119	38.47	799	91.48	2	3	2	93	12
C Munro (NZ)	2017-2019	26	26	0	658	87	25.30	596	110.40	0	4	4	82	19

 

Last 3 yrs, openers who have played min 20 innings vs top 8 teams. Nitpicking his slow start in PP, doesn't override the fact that his overall is 97+ and it is a meaningless criticism unless the same analysis is done for the other comparable openers IMO. 63 @ 97 with 13 hundreds = match winner. 

[zen]

14 minutes ago, Moochad said:

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2016-2019	54	54	7	2964	208*	63.06	3045	97.33	13	11	2	265	110
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2016-2019	50	50	4	2159	132*	46.93	2200	98.13	6	12	2	282	27
DA Warner (AUS)	2016-2018	39	39	1	2064	179	54.31	1991	103.66	10	5	0	219	33
JJ Roy (ENG)	2016-2018	49	49	2	1965	180	41.80	1824	107.73	5	9	4	224	39
Q de Kock (SA)	2016-2019	45	45	2	1887	178	43.88	1917	98.43	4	11	2	214	36
HM Amla (SA)	2016-2019	46	46	2	1707	154	38.79	1938	88.08	5	8	2	191	15
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2016-2019	40	40	2	1680	180*	44.21	1834	91.60	5	7	3	169	55
AJ Finch (AUS)	2016-2019	43	42	0	1540	124	36.66	1688	91.23	5	9	2	152	40
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2017-2018	27	27	3	1265	141*	52.70	1151	109.90	5	2	1	148	26
AD Hales (ENG)	2016-2018	28	28	2	1169	171	44.96	1194	97.90	4	7	3	136	21
N Dickwella (SL)	2017-2019	30	29	0	985	95	33.96	985	100.00	0	8	0	119	11
Fakhar Zaman (PAK)	2017-2019	23	23	1	902	114	41.00	1000	90.20	1	7	1	107	14
WU Tharanga (SL)	2017-2018	21	20	1	731	119	38.47	799	91.48	2	3	2	93	12
C Munro (NZ)	2017-2019	26	26	0	658	87	25.30	596	110.40	0	4	4	82	19

 

Last 3 yrs, openers who have played min 20 innings vs top 8 teams. Nitpicking his slow start in PP, doesn't override the fact that his overall is 97+ and it is a meaningless criticism unless the same analysis is done for the other comparable openers IMO. 63 @ 97 with 13 hundreds = match winner. 

Great but do you think ppl who can dive into stats do not have this basic info? The discussion is meant to start after considering what you have posted

 

 And for analysis on other players, you would need to read the thread 

[Moochad]

31 minutes ago, zen said:

Great but do you think ppl who can dive into stats do not have this basic info? The discussion is meant to start after considering what you have posted

 

 And for analysis on other players, you would need to read the thread 

I had read the thread, and nothing in it addresses what I said 

 

There is no similar analysis of the other players in this thread, only of Rohit's SRs below 50 runs, between 50-100 runs, and over 100 runs from the cricinfo article. Who is there to compare to if we don't have the same data for other players? There also isn't a comparison of what the avg PP score for the different teams are over the last 4 yrs. If no comparison is given, how do we know we are going slower than other teams or that he is going slower than the other top ODI openers in the PP, who I listed? Apart from Warner or Bairstow, who is a dasher at top exactly? Roy hardly averages 41.    

 

Overall our batting is 2nd highest in RPO the last 3 yrs.

Overall figures

Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
England	2016-2019	56	38	13	1	3	2.923	42.02	6.21	55	481	153
India	2016-2019	62	41	19	1	1	2.157	47.54	5.83	62	392	92
South Africa	2016-2019	51	29	21	0	1	1.380	36.88	5.70	51	384	118
Australia	2016-2019	58	24	32	0	2	0.750	32.90	5.70	57	378	142
New Zealand	2016-2019	51	27	21	0	3	1.285	31.86	5.51	51	371	79
Pakistan	2016-2019	43	19	23	0	1	0.826	34.74	5.32	43	338	74
Sri Lanka	2016-2019	48	7	37	1	3	0.189	26.89	5.27	46	366	103
West Indies	2016-2019	37	7	26	1	2	0.269	25.60	5.06	34	356	104

 

Eng is higher, but look at their stats

By host country

Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
England	2017-2017	3	1	2	0	0	0.500	45.08	6.91	3	366	-
in India
England	2016-2018	29	22	4	1	2	5.500	47.47	6.39	29	481	153
in England
England	2016-2016	5	2	3	0	0	0.666	35.19	6.17	5	399	236
in South Africa
England	2018-2018	5	3	2	0	0	1.500	38.44	5.92	5	335	234
in New Zealand
England	2018-2018	5	3	1	0	1	3.000	31.48	5.75	5	278	-
in Sri Lanka
England	2017-2019	4	3	0	0	0	-	38.63	5.73	3	328	328
in West Indies
England	2018-2018	5	4	1	0	0	4.000	36.18	5.68	5	308	196
in Australia

 

basically bullying at home on flat tracks make it look like their batting is so much better than it is. 

 

 

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Moochad said:

I had read the thread, and nothing in it addresses what I said 

 

There is no similar analysis of the other players in this thread, only of Rohit's SRs below 50 runs, between 50-100 runs, and over 100 runs from the cricinfo article. Who is there to compare to if we don't have the same data for other players? There also isn't a comparison of what the avg PP score for the different teams are over the last 4 yrs. If no comparison is given, how do we know we are going slower than other teams or that he is going slower than the other top ODI openers in the PP, who I listed? Apart from Warner or Bairstow, who is a dasher at top exactly? Roy hardly averages 41.    

 

Overall our batting is 2nd highest in RPO the last 3 yrs.

Overall figures

Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
England	2016-2019	56	38	13	1	3	2.923	42.02	6.21	55	481	153
India	2016-2019	62	41	19	1	1	2.157	47.54	5.83	62	392	92
South Africa	2016-2019	51	29	21	0	1	1.380	36.88	5.70	51	384	118
Australia	2016-2019	58	24	32	0	2	0.750	32.90	5.70	57	378	142
New Zealand	2016-2019	51	27	21	0	3	1.285	31.86	5.51	51	371	79
Pakistan	2016-2019	43	19	23	0	1	0.826	34.74	5.32	43	338	74
Sri Lanka	2016-2019	48	7	37	1	3	0.189	26.89	5.27	46	366	103
West Indies	2016-2019	37	7	26	1	2	0.269	25.60	5.06	34	356	104

 

Eng is higher, but look at their stats

By host country

Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
England	2017-2017	3	1	2	0	0	0.500	45.08	6.91	3	366	-
in India
England	2016-2018	29	22	4	1	2	5.500	47.47	6.39	29	481	153
in England
England	2016-2016	5	2	3	0	0	0.666	35.19	6.17	5	399	236
in South Africa
England	2018-2018	5	3	2	0	0	1.500	38.44	5.92	5	335	234
in New Zealand
England	2018-2018	5	3	1	0	1	3.000	31.48	5.75	5	278	-
in Sri Lanka
England	2017-2019	4	3	0	0	0	-	38.63	5.73	3	328	328
in West Indies
England	2018-2018	5	4	1	0	0	4.000	36.18	5.68	5	308	196
in Australia

 

basically bullying at home on flat tracks make it look like their batting is so much better than it is. 

 

 

Why are you reading just the OP when a variety of info is scattered on the thread. The info which is good enough to throw the light on the situation (includes how other openers play, Rohit’s performance in world events in relation to other Indian openers (which is just above the first post you made) and so on (unless it is difficult to put 2+2 together) 

 

And this is about optimizing for the WC, which is in Eng (home for Eng, not in Japan)

Edited February 20, 2019 by zen

[wanted_desi]

Rohit Sharma is one of the most overrated ODI batsman ever to play the game. I mean, he is pretty good batsman, but he is perceived as one of the all time greats. My take on that is that if you are in that league, you can never be a liability. Rohit Sharma is liability every time he scores less than 50, which happens quite often. 

 

 

[zen]

38 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Rohit Sharma is one of the most overrated ODI batsman ever to play the game. I mean, he is pretty good batsman, but he is perceived as one of the all time greats. My take on that is that if you are in that league, you can never be a liability. Rohit Sharma is liability every time he scores less than 50, which happens quite often. 

 

 

Add to that his poor record in ICC world events, where you have to play different teams .... He also appears to cash-in in bilaterals or where you play same teams on multiple occasions

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Add to that his poor record in ICC world events, where you have to play different teams .... He also appears to cash-in in bilaterals or where you play same teams on multiple occasions

Man of the match CT Semifinals, Man of the Match  WC Quarterfinals, Man of the Match WT20 2007 must win game against SA,Invaluable 30(16) WT20 2007 Finals which India won by just 5 runs.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Man of the match CT Semifinals, Man of the Match  WC Quarterfinals, Man of the Match WT20 2007 must win game against SA,Invaluable 30(16) WT20 2007 Finals which India won by just 5 runs.

Good. But overall only avgs 32 with a SR of 76 in ODI events, which is how openers played in 80s 

 

Note that with the opportunities and backing that Rohit has received, he is expected to perform better (I am sure he would have some good performances here and there) 

Edited February 20, 2019 by zen

[Nikola]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Good. But overall only avgs 32 with a SR of 76 in ODI events, which is how openers played in 80s 

  

Note that with the opportunities and backing that Rohit has received, he is expected to perform better (I am sure he would have some good performances here and there) 

Oh yeah was 2nd most run scorer in 2013 & 2017 ct. Scored 2nd most runs for india in 2015 worldcup and scored imp century in knock out match. 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Good. But overall only avgs 32 with a SR of 76 in ODI events, which is how openers played in 80s 

 

Note that with the opportunities and backing that Rohit has received, he is expected to perform better (I am sure he would have some good performances here and there) 

Numbers and stats always don't give the picture. For example that SA game where India would have been knocked out,he scored a 50 with a S/R of 125.00 which is mediocre for a T20 game if you don't look at the context. The bowling attack of SA was Pollock,Ntini,Philander and M.Morkel. I would go as far as saying that innings was the moment of conception of the IPL with Misbah's scoop shot being the actual delivery date.

 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Numbers and stats always don't give the picture. For example that SA game where India would have been knocked out,he scored a 50 with a S/R of 125.00 which is mediocre for a T20 game if you don't look at the context. The bowling attack of SA was Pollock,Ntini,Philander and M.Morkel. I would go as far as saying that innings was the moment of conception of the IPL with Misbah's scoop shot being the actual delivery date.

 

But you are using T20s. This thread is focused on optimizing for WC considering par scores of above 300 .... Despite the past achievements that you listed in T20s, in 2019 he may not be a good choice for a spot in T20s

 

PS Note that I am a Rohit supporter (not in your league but a mild one) 

Edited February 20, 2019 by zen

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

But you are using T20s. This thread is focused on optimizing for WC considering par scores of above 300 .... Despite the past achievements that you listed in T20s, in 2019 he may not be a good choice for a spot in T20s

He was one of the top scorers in Nzl and Australia as well. I would be more concerned about Dhawan's form and Kohli's record in knockouts. Rohit is fine.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

He was one of the top scorers in Nzl and Australia as well. I would be more concerned about Dhawan's form and Kohli's record in knockouts. Rohit is fine.

what will it take for you to know that it may not be fine or someone could perform relatively better? 

Edited February 20, 2019 by zen

[Moochad]

13 minutes ago, zen said:

Why are you reading just the OP when a variety of info is scattered on the thread. The info which is good enough to throw the light on the situation (includes how other openers play, Rohit’s performance in world events in relation to other Indian openers (which is just above the first post you made) and so on (unless it is difficult to put 2+2 together) 

Why do you keep alleging that others haven't read the thread when they have?  It's possible for someone to not find the rest of the info isn't 'good enough' and unconvincing. 

 

Nothing addresses what I asked. Where is evidence that Rohit goes appreciably slower than other top ODI openers in the PP?

 

Your own posted stats contradict that premise...

On 2/18/2019 at 1:49 PM, zen said:

Avg and SR of openers from the top 5 teams since 2017 

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
C Munro (NZ)	2017-2019	22	22	0	382	49	17.36	380	100.52	0	0	4	48	10
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2017-2019	33	33	0	693	49	21.00	762	90.94	0	0	2	104	8
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2017-2018	20	20	1	504	44	26.52	560	90.00	0	0	1	63	8
DA Warner (AUS)	2017-2018	14	14	1	278	42	21.38	321	86.60	0	0	0	31	2
AK Markram (SA)	2018-2018	7	7	0	214	42	30.57	254	84.25	0	0	0	30	3
JJ Roy (ENG)	2017-2018	28	28	0	492	49	17.57	587	83.81	0	0	4	63	8
HM Amla (SA)	2017-2019	23	23	0	457	43	19.86	567	80.59	0	0	1	61	2
Q de Kock (SA)	2017-2019	20	20	0	425	47	21.25	555	76.57	0	0	2	42	2
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2017-2019	20	20	0	392	48	19.60	535	73.27	0	0	1	45	7
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2017-2019	26	26	0	330	48	12.69	527	62.61	0	0	2	31	11

 

this is not about “is Rohit bad”. This is about making the best of PP on good batting tracks 

 

Since Rohit avg 13 at a SR of 65 most of the time. Ind is wasting PPs to a certain extent in most of its games. If we take your 21 balls, by the time he gets out 7-8 overs are gone. Where you would expect to go at 7-8 RPO at least. So instead of being 50 after 7 with 3 PP remaining on good batting tracks, India would be much less (with others having to take more risks with fewer wkts in hand). The new batsman coming in unlikely to take risk immediately with 1 wkt down. At 50-1 after 7, Ind has at least started on the right foot. If Ind is 50-0, it is even bette

 

The cricinfo article you posted Rohit's stats from show at a 77-80 SR. It gives noone elses stats. 

 

The data u use to infer that Rohit has a SR of 65 'most of the time', show that every opener in the World except Munro goes below a 100 SR/ 6 RPO, when below 50. (That too with Munro's avg being a paltry 25. Rohit on the other hand avgs 60+)

 

Only Dhawan and Bairstow go above 90 and avg above 45 at the same time according to the data u give and even those which translates only to 5.4 RPO.  

 

So Rohit, who goes 77-80 according to the cricinfo article, goes the same rate range as Guptil, De Kock, and Roy (all between 75-85)it is bad, even though the same Rohit, as shown by cricinfo article, as soon as he crosses 50 goes 107+ SR and has an avg of 60+? 

 

Where are these openers who meet this 7-8 RPO standard. That is the equivalent of a 116-130 SR, when they are below 50? Your stats show there are none.

 

When someone gives you a 5 and a 2 and tells you they make a 4, it will never add up 

 

And yes, this comes off as a bash Rohit thread when so many random filters are applied to search for numbers that show Rohit in a bad light. Here are his actual numbers

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	18	18	2	811	137	50.68	943	86.00	2	6	2	84	17

Series averages

Series	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s	Start Date		Winner
ICC Champions Trophy (in England), 2013
	5	5	0	177	65	35.40	233	75.96	0	2	0	22	1	6 Jun 2013		India
ICC Cricket World Cup (in Australia/New Zealand), 2014/15
	8	8	1	330	137	47.14	360	91.66	1	2	1	33	9	15 Feb 2015		Australia
ICC Champions Trophy (in England), 2017
	5	5	1	304	123*	76.00	350	86.85	1	2	1	29	7	4 Jun 2017		Pakistan

 

 

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And this is about optimizing for the WC, which is in Eng (home for Eng, not in Japan)

Apparently the point was missed. India, has the 2nd highest RPO in the world over the last 3 years already(as I posted above). Only England is higher, but their RPO is inflated by their home vs away record. At home they have an RPO of 6.4, in most other countries it is below a 6. This implies to me that their RPO advantage over the #2 team India is overstated by their flat home tracks. 

 

Your post shows India in a poor light in England based off a grand total of of 3 matches that India has played in England in 2018. If you extend it back to include the CT , then India's RPO jumps all the way from 5.42 to 5.71, from 7 matches rather than 3. 

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In the same period, other teams vs Eng (min 2 games)

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
South Africa	2017-2017	3	1	2	0	0	0.500	41.72	6.06	3	328	267
West Indies	2017-2017	5	0	4	0	1	0.000	36.43	6.03	4	356	245
Australia	2017-2018	6	0	6	0	0	0.000	27.17	5.82	6	310	205
Pakistan	2016-2017	6	2	4	0	0	0.500	36.95	5.58	6	304	251
Sri Lanka	2016-2016	5	0	3	1	1	0.000	32.37	5.51	5	305	202
India	2018-2018	3	1	2	0	0	0.500	38.05	5.42	3	269	236
Ireland	2017-2017	2	0	2	0	0	0.000	18.45	4.66	2	243	126

 

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
England	2016-2018	29	22	4	1	2	5.500	47.47	6.39	29	481	153
in England
West Indies	2017-2017	5	0	4	0	1	0.000	36.43	6.03	4	356	245
in England
Australia	2017-2018	7	0	6	0	1	0.000	26.70	5.82	7	310	205
in England
New Zealand	2017-2017	2	0	1	0	1	0.000	25.70	5.74	2	291	223
in England
India	2017-2018	7	3	4	0	0	0.750	42.73	5.71	7	321	158
in England
Pakistan	2016-2017	10	5	5	0	0	1.000	37.07	5.55	10	338	164
in England
Sri Lanka	2016-2017	8	1	5	1	1	0.200	32.63	5.49	8	322	202
in England
South Africa	2017-2017	6	2	4	0	0	0.500	34.76	5.44	6	328	191
in England

 

 

 

[Nikola]

^^ Agreed. There is one thing to show real stats and other thing trying to prove your point by showing any random stats. This guy has reached below level in that.

[zen]

1 hour ago, Moochad said:

Why do you keep alleging that others haven't read the thread when they have?  It's possible for someone to not find the rest of the info isn't 'good enough' and unconvincing. 

 

Ok. Good to know that you read the thread!

 

 

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Nothing addresses what I asked. Where is evidence that Rohit goes appreciably slower than other top ODI openers in the PP?

 

Your own posted stats contradict that premise...

 

The cricinfo article you posted Rohit's stats from show at a 77-80 SR. It gives noone elses stats. 

 

The data u use to infer that Rohit has a SR of 65 'most of the time', show that every opener in the World except Munro goes below a 100 SR/ 6 RPO, when below 50. (That too with Munro's avg being a paltry 25. Rohit on the other hand avgs 60+)

 

Only Dhawan and Bairstow go above 90 and avg above 45 at the same time according to the data u give and even those which translates only to 5.4 RPO.  

 

So Rohit, who goes 77-80 according to the cricinfo article, goes the same rate range as Guptil, De Kock, and Roy (all between 75-85)it is bad, even though the same Rohit, as shown by cricinfo article, as soon as he crosses 50 goes 107+ SR and has an avg of 60+? 

 

Where are these openers who meet this 7-8 RPO standard. That is the equivalent of a 116-130 SR, when they are below 50? Your stats show there are none.

 

When someone gives you a 5 and a 2 and tells you they make a 4, it will never add up 

 

 

The point of the thread is to optimize the PP by playing someone who can quickly get off the mark (this does not imply that Rohit is dropped) 

 

From the OP:

"Question 

1. In 2019 WC, where par scores are expected to be 300+, Can Ind afford to waste PPs overs in possibly 6 of the 9 group games? Discuss"

 

 

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And yes, this comes off as a bash Rohit thread when so many random filters are applied to search for numbers that show Rohit in a bad light. Here are his actual numbers

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	18	18	2	811	137	50.68	943	86.00	2	6	2	84	17

Series averages

Series	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s	Start Date		Winner
ICC Champions Trophy (in England), 2013
	5	5	0	177	65	35.40	233	75.96	0	2	0	22	1	6 Jun 2013		India
ICC Cricket World Cup (in Australia/New Zealand), 2014/15
	8	8	1	330	137	47.14	360	91.66	1	2	1	33	9	15 Feb 2015		Australia
ICC Champions Trophy (in England), 2017
	5	5	1	304	123*	76.00	350	86.85	1	2	1	29	7	4 Jun 2017		Pakistan

 

I clearly listed ICC and world events (can understand why a fanboy would have problems with that ).  And using your filters, it only proves the point made in OP Vs SENA+WI

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	7	7	0	179	65	25.57	243	73.66	0	2	1	19	4

 

 

If you throw Pak to the mix (that is 6 major teams now):

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	11	11	0	303	91	27.54	417	72.66	0	3	2	30	6

 

 

 

From the OP, which you read:

"Applying this to the WC Group Games

1. Could go with a SR of 80 or less in 6 of the 9 games (And this 6 games could be vs major teams) 

2. Could hit 2 50s where his SR could be 100+ (Could be vs. SL and Pak) 

3. Could hit 1 100 at a phenomenal SR (Could be vs BD) "

 

 

 

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Apparently the point was missed. India, has the 2nd highest RPO in the world over the last 3 years already(as I posted above). Only England is higher, but their RPO is inflated by their home vs away record. At home they have an RPO of 6.4, in most other countries it is below a 6. This implies to me that their RPO advantage over the #2 team India is overstated by their flat home tracks. 

 

 

 

The tracks are expected to be flat in Eng. And therefore the need to optimize the PP 

 

 

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Your post shows India in a poor light in England based off a grand total of of 3 matches that India has played in England in 2018. If you extend it back to include the CT , then India's RPO jumps all the way from 5.42 to 5.71, from 7 matches rather than 3. 

Irrelevant. The thread assumes par scores of 300+, 320 if you go by 6.4 . (I thought you "read" the thread) 

 

 

 

PS So what are you trying to debate? (if it is that analysis and views should align with what Rohit fanboys dream about him, it is being too optimistic. May be also ask the university professor to give questions you can answer in exams) 

Edited February 20, 2019 by zen

[zen]

To summarize the key info from the post above: 

 

In ICC events vs SENA+WI 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	7	7	0	179	65	25.57	243	73.66	0	2	1	19	4

 

 

If you throw Pak to the mix (that is 6 major teams now):

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Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or West Indies

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2007-2019	201	195	31	7808	264	47.60	8840	88.32	22	39	12	681	215	Profile
filtered	2013-2017	11	11	0	303	91	27.54	417	72.66	0	3	2	30	6



 

[zen]

And where Rohit stands at ICC events 

 

SENA+WI

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
S Dhawan	2013-2017	7	7	1	516	137	86.00	509	101.37	3	1	0	59	7
AM Rahane	2015-2015	3	3	0	137	79	45.66	162	84.56	0	1	0	11	3
V Kohli	2013-2017	7	7	1	252	76*	42.00	303	83.16	0	1	0	25	2
MS Dhoni	2013-2017	7	5	1	155	65	38.75	162	95.67	0	1	1	12	3
RA Jadeja	2013-2017	7	5	2	111	47*	37.00	98	113.26	0	0	0	13	3
RG Sharma	2013-2017	7	7	0	179	65	25.57	243	73.66	0	2	1	19	4

 

If you throw Pak in to the mix (6 major teams)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
S Dhawan	2013-2017	11	11	1	726	137	72.60	713	101.82	3	3	0	81	9
V Kohli	2013-2017	11	11	3	467	107	58.37	533	87.61	1	2	0	42	5
AM Rahane	2015-2015	4	4	0	137	79	34.25	163	84.04	0	1	1	11	3
MS Dhoni	2013-2017	11	7	1	177	65	29.50	191	92.67	0	1	1	13	4
RG Sharma	2013-2017	11	11	0	303	91	27.54	417	72.66	0	3	2	30	6