Why it is wrong to pick Shikhar Dhawan over KL Rahul in T20Is

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, Vk1 said:

To be frank, it's a shame that there's a thread on this. Shikhar Dhawan hasn't deserved a place in our T20 squad since his debut. 

agreed it was not needed, but in reality dhawan kept getting picked despite failing 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

agreed it was not needed, but in reality dhawan kept getting picked despite failing 

One of the highest run scorer in IPL is hardly the definition of failure.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

One of the highest run scorer in IPL is hardly the definition of failure.

Even dhoni has been good in IPL doesnt make him a good t20 international players.

 

Bottom line dhawan has sucked in international t20 even after good IPL so IPL runs dnt matter.

 

u knw he is failure when u have to use IPL to defend a guy who has played 58 match career coz his international perfomance is poor 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[GautiMaan]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he never got a proper chance or else i still think he was our best chance for no.4

He has a 100 at 4 in t20 , did very well for RCB at 4 

Yes which is why he should have batted at 4 in the WC semi and Mayank should have opened

[Khota]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Even dhoni has been good in IPL doesnt make him a good t20 international players.

 

Bottom line dhawan has sucked in international t20 even after good IPL so IPL runs dnt matter.

 

u knw he is failure when u have to use IPL to defend a guy who has played 58 match career coz his international perfomance is poor 

You are a fraud and the biggest proponent of fake stats. Both of them played against BD and since that is the latest and sample size is large enough (N=3) can you compare them. I know you most likely will not.

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

You are a fraud and the biggest proponent of fake stats. Both of them played against BD and since that is the latest and sample size is large enough (N=3) can you compare them. I know you most likely will not.

I think it is time to move on from Dhawan in T20s

 

 Plenty of  young talent ready for the big time.

 

If IPL is the benchmark I think samson has 2 IPl 100’s and so does Rahul while Dhawan has none.

 

Anyways I think Samson deserves a go. Don’t you think?

Edited November 28, 2019 by maniac

[maniac]

@Khota we are on the same page by the way when it comes to Dube and Journeymen like Sky

[Khota]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

I think it is time to move on from Dhawan in T20s

 

 Plenty of  young talent ready for the big time.

 

If IPL is the benchmark I think samson has 2 IPl 100’s and so does Rahul while Dhawan has none.

 

Anyways I think Samson deserves a go. Don’t you think?

I am all for giving chances to young players but Dhawan has not tanked as this guy is implying. I agree with you that some new bats for India are exciting and they need to be rotated in somehow.

 

I use IPL as one of the benchmarks because IPL stats are meaningful. Cricket stats as present on this site are wrong and those averages are wrong. If you dont assign appropriate weights cricket stats are garbage.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Khota

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

@Khota we are on the same page by the way when it comes to Dube and Journeymen like Sky

I have no idea how he got a cap. Absolute junk.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

You are a fraud and the biggest proponent of fake stats. Both of them played against BD and since that is the latest and sample size is large enough (N=3) can you compare them. I know you most likely will not.

u want latest sample , Scores in syed mushtaq ali post bang series

 

Dhawan

24(22),

35(33),

19(18),

9(6),

0(9)

 

Not even a single 50 

 

KL rahul

84(48)

36(28)

69(46)

34 (27)

0(2)

 

So in Sma t20 - KL is miles ahead

 

Dhawan in 2019 international t20- avg of 22 .....s/r of 110 (not even a single 50 in 2019)

KL in 2019 international t20 - avg of 38.40...s/r of 134 (last game he scored a 50 )

 

So in International t20 in 2019  - KL is miles ahead

 

Dhawan in IPL 2019 - 16 matches 358 runs....s/r 135

Rahul in ipl 2019 - 14 matches 438 runs ....s/r 135

 

So in IPL 2019 - KL played 2 less games yet scored 2 more 50s 

 

So KL wins all the way 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

u want latest sample , Scores in syed mushtaq ali post bang series

 

Dhawan

24(22),

35(33),

19(18),

9(6),

0(9)

 

Not even a single 50 

 

KL rahul

84(48)

36(28)

69(46)

34 (27)

0(2)

 

So in Sma t20 - KL is miles ahead

 

Dhawan in 2019 international t20- avg of 22 .....s/r of 110 (not even a single 50 in 2019)

KL in 2019 international t20 - avg of 38.40...s/r of 134 (last game he scored a 50 )

 

So in International t20 in 2019  - KL is miles ahead

 

Dhawan in IPL 2019 - 16 matches 358 runs....s/r 135

Rahul in ipl 2019 - 14 matches 438 runs ....s/r 135

 

So in IPL 2019 - KL played 2 less games yet scored 2 more 50s 

 

So KL wins all the way 

That is why you are Captain Clueless. The variables in S M Trophy are too many so it is not fair. In series against BD there were very few variables and on top of it Dhawan face more hostile initial spell and he out performed Rahul.

 

It is a shame stats you live by you clearly don't  understand.

 

Here are the numbers  side by side.

 

Dhawan                                  Rahul

 

41  97.2                                15  88.2

31   114                                  8   72

19   118                                 52  148

 

91                                          75

 

Side by side one guy has a better scoring rate, more runs but let us drop him. HATER.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

48 minutes ago, Khota said:

That is why you are Captain Clueless. The variables in S M Trophy are too many so it is not fair. In series against BD there were very few variables and on top of it Dhawan face more hostile initial spell and he out performed Rahul.

hostile 

Samne konsa dale steyn tha 

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Dhawan                                  Rahul

41  97.2                                15  88.2

31   114                                  8   72

8 was not out so totally unfair assessment as its impossible to score once target is over......clearly u dnt knw rules of the game

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19   118                                 52  148

This show dhawan on his goods days doesnt do much , cant score a 50 and when rahul has a good day he scores 50 

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91                                          75

91 in 3 outs so he avg 30 with 107 s/r

75 in 2 outs so he avg 37 with 119 s/r

 

at the end of the series thats were both stand,such is ur weak argument that u hve to take support of KL innings where he was nout n taregt was finished means it was impossible for him to score runs. Clearly not only u dnt understand stats, diff formats but also rules of the game 

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Side by side one guy has a better scoring rate, more runs but let us drop him. HATER.

 

So , in the end

KL outscores him in IPL, 2019, whole t20 career, Syed mushtaq ali 

 

Kya hua baba Rahul ke run dekh ke ipl ka logic khatam ho gaya jo itni der se de rhe the, itne  bure din aa gaye that u hve to use someone not out to put him down

Edited November 28, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hostile 

Samne konsa dale steyn tha 

8 was not out so totally unfair assessment as its impossible to score once target is over......clearly u dnt knw rules of the game

This show dhawan on his goods days doesnt do much , cant score a 50 and when rahul has a good day he scores 50 

91 in 3 outs so he avg 30 with 107 s/r

75 in 2 outs so he avg 37 with 119 s/r

 

at the end of the series thats were both stand,such is ur weak argument that u hve to take support of KL innings where he was nout n taregt was finished means it was impossible for him to score runs. Clearly not only u dnt understand stats, diff formats but also rules of the game 

So , in the end

KL outscores him in IPL, 2019, whole t20 career, Syed mushtaq ali 

 

Kya hua baba Rahul ke run dekh ke ipl ka logic khatam ho gaya jo itni der se de rhe the, itne  bure din aa gaye that u hve to use someone not out to put him down

Dhawan was the second highest run getter in IPL. Not shabby. He outperformed KL in BD series. Not shabby. Let us drop him. Reason - I dont like him. Come up with a better arguement next time. Right now you come across as a very narrow minded petty person.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Dhawan was the second highest run getter in IPL. Not shabby.

Rahul outperformed dhawan in 2 less games

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

He outperformed KL in BD series. Not shabby. Let us drop him.

How did Dhawan outperform rahul in bang series ??

Rahul has a better s/r , avg and even a 50 .....

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Reason - I dont like him. Come up with a better arguement next time. Right now you come across as a very narrow minded petty person.

right now its ur defense that getting narrow

Edited November 28, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rahul outperformed dhawan in 2 less games

How did Dhawan outperform rahul in bang series ??

Rahul has a better s/r , avg and even a 50 .....

right now its ur defense that getting narrow

Dhawan has more runs and averages are a quirk in cricket. I rather pick someone who scores two 30's than some one who scores a duck and a 60. Consistency needs to be rewarded.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Khota

[Norman]

Both are not good enough. 

 

I'd take Surya Kumar Yadav or Samson. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Dhawan has more runs and averages are a quirk in cricket.

in bang  series 

Dhawan avg 30

KL 37

 

In ipl 2019

KL avg 53

Dhawan 34

 

In international career

Rahul avg 42

dhawan avg 27

 

 

Ab bol kisko nhin pata stats 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Norman said:

Both are not good enough. 

KL not good enough in t20, he has one of the best Record for India 

3 minutes ago, Norman said:

I'd take Surya Kumar Yadav or Samson. 

SKY not a top order player

Samson has been dominated by KL n Pant in IPL

[Khota]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

in bang  series 

Dhawan avg 30

KL 37

 

In ipl 2019

KL avg 53

Dhawan 34

 

In international career

Rahul avg 42

dhawan avg 27

 

 

Ab bol kisko nhin pata stats 

In BD series which is the latest Dhawan scored 91. KL 75.

 

91>>>>>>75

95 is better than 75.

 

Those 95 were against tougher attack and more hostile. 75 were against tired attack. KL if opens will be out for duck half the time.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Khota

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, Norman said:

Both are not good enough. 

 

I'd take Surya Kumar Yadav or Samson. 

I think both need to be team. Both are real good.