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[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, velu said:

nope..

i completely agree with ACB about appointing smith as their captain .. 

as i said i am not an insider in ACB to know that they considered warner repalcing smith ( maybe you can claim his weightage increased after ipl victory )

Are they fool to make him vice captain in all format for 3 yrs and arthur said in public who was their coach.

Their was no candidate in future as well

Even aaron finch after their ban wasnt considered 1st it was tim paine who got odi captaincy 1st

 

2 minutes ago, velu said:

kohli never punched other player off the field .. 

warner did much worse and hot headed much more than bhajji to be a captain  

being a good batsmen , aggressive , good fielder , or having a six pack doesnt enhance captaincy chances  

Off the field brawls never will affect

Aussie captains have been hot headed

Being team best player is always one of main criteria for captaincy. Didnt i write he was tactically sound n also good under pressure which is why he also won ipl

All those qualities u describe kohli has it n he is our captain

 

Probably also u didnt understand that sree was bhajji junior , root n dekock are opp player. Slapping a junior will never earn u respect. Where as root n warner...such incidence has happened Between many england n aussie player ian chappel n botham have had it parking lot. Diff is they act like enemy so their board dont give much weightage. For aussies those aggression was always good , it only hurted them when ppl called them cheats thats why those 2 got banned.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, velu said:

then why warner got banned and punished for his brawl with root ?

Dropped not banned

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/australia/10114925/David-Warner-dropped-by-Australia-after-punching-Englands-Joe-Root-following-row-over-fake-beard.html

 

Huge diff between banned n droppped

 

Punishment but he still remained VC so that didnt affect his chances . Such bans happen regularly to these guys. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[velu]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Punishment but he still remained VC so that didnt affect his chances . Such bans happen regularly to these guys. 

 

so we are agreeing that off-filed matters also count  

both smith and warner playing for NSW ..  and smith was appointed as NSW captain in 2013 itself  ( google  )

 

[velu]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Are they fool to make him vice captain in all format for 3 yrs and arthur said in public who was their coach.

Their was no candidate in future as well

Even aaron finch after their ban wasnt considered 1st it was tim paine who got odi captaincy 1st

 

smith was made captain even though warner is his senior ..

your claim about acb wnated to replace him with warner is lolworthy 

 

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Off the field brawls never will affect

Aussie captains have been hot headed

Being team best player is always one of main criteria for captaincy. Didnt i write he was tactically sound n also good under pressure which is why he also won ipl

All those qualities u describe kohli has it n he is our captain

 

smith is even better player under pressure than warner .. 

again a good player not necessarily mean a better captain ..

 

coming to kohli , i never argued that slapping a player or punching the opponent mean the player is not a captaincy materiel ..

its you who said bhajji slapping sree makes him not a captaincy material .. warner did much worse and you sort of having soft corner 

 

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Probably also u didnt understand that sree was bhajji junior , root n dekock are opp player. Slapping a junior will never earn u respect. Where as root n warner...such incidence has happened Between many england n aussie player ian chappel n botham have had it parking lot. Diff is they act like enemy so their board dont give much weightage. For aussies those aggression was always good , it only hurted them when ppl called them cheats thats why those 2 got banned.

 

nobody gives license to get physical with other players ..

do you even remember ben stokes & co got banned for many matches for fighting with strangers ( not his teammates or opponent ) ? 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, velu said:

smith was made captain even though warner is his senior ..

your claim about acb wnated to replace him with warner is lolworthy 

coz at that time warner had no claim

 

6 minutes ago, velu said:

smith is even better player under pressure than warner .. 

again a good player not necessarily mean a better captain ..

Warner is a overall a better LOI player and non one makes captain for that one game when a player fires over other by that logic yuvi wud have been captain over dhoni 

Making captain takes many factors in acc 

6 minutes ago, velu said:

nobody gives license to get physical with other players ..

do you even remember ben stokes & co got banned for many matches for fighting with strangers ( not his teammates or opponent ) ? 

ECB works in diff way then ACB, even BCCI banned Bhajji

Boards act diff

 

but dont be surprised if Stokes become captain , coz outside brawls dont matter in such cases...it ll only lead to few matches ban

6 minutes ago, velu said:

coming to kohli , i never argued that slapping a player or punching the opponent mean the player is not a captaincy materiel ..

its you who said bhajji slapping sree makes him not a captaincy material .. warner did much worse and you sort of having soft corner 

oh ffs i also said bhajji had no quality so that incidence became a thorn 

Warner had 10 good qualities 

 

Did u read those plus minus i gave u ?? did u ? did u ? did u ?

 

For the last time m expalining - a player with 10 positive will get away with few negatives, the player with no positive wont 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, velu said:

 

so we are agreeing that off-filed matters also count  

both smith and warner playing for NSW ..  and smith was appointed as NSW captain in 2013 itself  ( google  )

 

yea coz smith outfield no negatives put him ahead n warner at that time didnt have a strong claim

Times change

Rohit now has a stronger claim then when kohli became captain 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[velu]

18 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Warner tipped for captaincy by cricket coach Arthur

 

Australian coach Mickey Arthur has tipped big-hitting opener David Warner as a future captain of his country, after the 25-year-old drove the home side to victory over India in the third Test.

 

It was the second century in only five Tests for the former Twenty20 specialist and Arthur said the left-hander had already shown enough promise to suggest he is captaincy material.

 

"Davey has leadership potential, there is no doubt about that," he said.

 

"He has the ability to lead any Australian team in any form of the game at some stage.

 

"When that is, I am not sure, it could be in two weeks or three or four years, but I know he has the ability to lead.

"He has a very good cricket brain, leads by example and trains the house down."

 

 

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/275381/warner-tipped-for-captaincy-by-cricket-coach-arthur

 

He was in line to be next captain , he was vice captain for 3 yrs....Aus cricket dont waste time on someone without reason

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

coz at that time warner had no claim

 

 

one of the article you posted about warner is a potential captain by mike arthur was published in 2011 ..

you contradicting yourself   

 

you claim that i dont read your replies .. 

now i can claim that you yourself dont remember or read your posts  

 

[velu]

30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Warner is a overall a better LOI player and non one makes captain for that one game when a player fires over other by that logic yuvi wud have been captain over dhoni 

Making captain takes many factors in acc 

 

i countered with your own points .. you said warner is a good in pressure games , i said smith is even better 

 

31 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ECB works in diff way then ACB, even BCCI banned Bhajji

Boards act diff

 

but dont be surprised if Stokes become captain , coz outside brawls dont matter in such cases...it ll only lead to few matches ban

 

then it should be applicable to bcci and bhajji as well ..

your first reason that why bhajji is not a capticny materiel  becomes invalid 

 

33 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

oh ffs i also said bhajji had no quality so that incidence became a thorn 

Warner had 10 good qualities 

 

Did u read those plus minus i gave u ?? did u ? did u ? did u ?

 

For the last time m expalining - a player with 10 positive will get away with few negatives, the player with no positive wont 

 

its not me who argued that slapping or punching or kicking makes them a non captaincy materiel .. 

your first reason about why bhajji is not a captaincy materiel becomes invalid 

[velu]

18 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Warner tipped for captaincy by cricket coach Arthur

 

Australian coach Mickey Arthur has tipped big-hitting opener David Warner as a future captain of his country, after the 25-year-old drove the home side to victory over India in the third Test.

 

It was the second century in only five Tests for the former Twenty20 specialist and Arthur said the left-hander had already shown enough promise to suggest he is captaincy material.

 

"Davey has leadership potential, there is no doubt about that," he said.

 

"He has the ability to lead any Australian team in any form of the game at some stage.

 

"When that is, I am not sure, it could be in two weeks or three or four years, but I know he has the ability to lead.

"He has a very good cricket brain, leads by example and trains the house down."

 

 

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/275381/warner-tipped-for-captaincy-by-cricket-coach-arthur

 

He was in line to be next captain , he was vice captain for 3 yrs....Aus cricket dont waste time on someone without reason

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

coz at that time warner had no claim

 

 

one of the article you posted about warner is a potential captain by mike arthur was published in 2011 ..

you contradicting yourself   

 

you claim that i dont read your replies .. 

now i can claim that you yourself dont remember or read your posts  

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, velu said:

 

 

one of the article you posted about warner is a potential captain by mike arthur was published in 2011 ..

you contradicting yourself   

 

you claim that i dont read your replies .. 

now i can claim that you yourself dont remember or read your posts  

 

surely ppl in Aus setup see player growup n know their qualties like was the case with virat, who ppl thought from early age wud be captain

 

12 minutes ago, velu said:

 

i countered with your own points .. you said warner is a good in pressure games , i said smith is even better 

yea smith had many good points so he became captain 1st but there was talk of split captaincy n warner made his claim with consistency n IPl capatincy in those last few years

Cricketer in aus knew he has capatincy potential but that enough doesnt get u capatincy , rohit also had ...gilly said baout his potential as captain when he played for Dc but thats not enough u have to show perfomances. Smith n kohli showed n went ahead in race doesnt mean rohit n warner didnt have potential ...they showed later

12 minutes ago, velu said:

 

then it should be applicable to bcci and bhajji as well ..

BCCI n ACB are diff

12 minutes ago, velu said:

your first reason that why bhajji is not a capticny materiel  becomes invalid 

as i said u dnt read

49 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

oh ffs i also said bhajji had no quality so that incidence became a thorn 

Warner had 10 good qualities 

 

Did u read those plus minus i gave u ?? did u ? did u ? did u ?

12 minutes ago, velu said:

 

its not me who argued that slapping or punching or kicking makes them a non captaincy materiel .. 

your first reason about why bhajji is not a captaincy materiel becomes invalid 

again read above 

a man with zero positives will be affcted by negatives more then the other. N slapping a junior will never earn u respect in team then fighting a opposition player

[The Dark Horse]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

smith is an intersting pick ..

Murali was past his best in IPL, never thought he was that effective in IPL

I had Smith/Hussey and Williamson in mind for the no. 4 spot. However, went with Smith.

 

Murali has an economy of 6.6 . However, I wouldn't mind Rashid either, as he can bat.

Edited May 3, 2020 by The Dark Horse

[velu]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

surely ppl in Aus setup see player growup n know their qualties like was the case with virat, who ppl thought from early age wud be captain

 

 

this  clearly shows you shifted the goal post ..

yesterday you posted 2012 article to support warners potential captaincy , today you claimed that "warner at that time had no claims to captaincy" ..

contradicting yourself much , and shifting goal posts too too much   

 

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

BCCI n ACB are diff

 

 

so according to your ACB  insiders , warners captaincy claim increased after he won IPL ?  

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

surely ppl in Aus setup see player growup n know their qualties like was the case with virat, who ppl thought from early age wud be captain

 

and you dont remember what you posted  

 

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

again read above 

a man with zero positives will be affcted by negatives more then the other. N slapping a junior will never earn u respect in team then fighting a opposition player

 

maybe your views ..

but went defensive when comes to warner .. but atleast now you accepted that off-field behaviors do matter  

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

34 minutes ago, velu said:

this  clearly shows you shifted the goal post ..

yesterday you posted 2012 article to support warners potential captaincy , today you claimed that "warner at that time had no claims to captaincy" ..

contradicting yourself much , and shifting goal posts too too much

Let me explain to u step by step

 

1. Someone has inborn captaincy potential like warner rohit. Arthur talked about it.

2. But u gotta perform , do few more things right.

3. Smith did those before him n so did kohli.

4. Warner in last few years became very consistent n showed his leadership in IPL. So thats how it works. N they made him Vice captain for a reason.

5. Now in last few years smith form n captaincy in loi wasnt very pleasing so warner name statrted popping.

 

Everything has a process. Now u understood.

N yes winning ipl makes his claim strong coz he had vice captain n guys like arthur chappel saw potential years ago. But no one gets captaincy on potential 

34 minutes ago, velu said:

but went defensive when comes to warner .. but atleast now you accepted that off-field behaviors do matter

Ohh god how dumb are u ...like how much

I understand dumb ppl cant think beyond one line so let me break

 

It matters but so does other things

Let break this down for ur single minded brain

 

Take outside activties as negative

 

Warner positive -

one best player of his loi team 

Won ipl

Tactically sound

Leads from front

Good fitness

Backing from ex player

Vice captain

Shown he can win tourmament

 

Negative

De kock fight which isnt big deal coz many has had

Root fight ok lets take it big

 

 

Bhajji positive

Won CL

 

Negative

Slapping a junior 

Not vice captain

Form got worst every year

Chucking

No suport from seniors

No good report from coaches

Bitter personality

No vice captaincy

 

 

So u see number of negtaives outweight positive n then such controversy stick like a sore thumb

 

If thats also to much for ur tiny head n big ego in one line - bhajji had nothing going for him so he could afford a controversy like it so yea due to that he cudnt be a captain. 

 

Did u get it.....or u need more tutions or now ull still wanna twist ur arm around a point coz u hve nothing left to say but ur ego is so big to accept that. 

 

When ever someone makes a point ask for reason like i asked tell me why he isnt a captaincy material which im still waiting, unlike make an opinion for other's which u have no right over.

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[velu]

57 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Let me explain to u step by step

 

1. Someone has inborn captaincy potential like warner rohit. Arthur talked about it.

2. But u gotta perform , do few more things right.

3. Smith did those before him n so did kohli.

4. Warner in last few years became very consistent n showed his leadership in IPL. So thats how it works. N they made him Vice captain for a reason.

5. Now in last few years smith form n captaincy in loi wasnt very pleasing so warner name statrted popping.

 

Everything has a process. Now u understood.

N yes winning ipl makes his claim strong coz he had vice captain n guys like arthur chappel saw potential years ago. But no one gets captaincy on potential 

 

he won only one trophy thats IPL .. he won wooden spoon as well in BBL

your claim about acb wanted to replace is plain ridicules unless you have inside knowledge  

 

 

58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ohh god how dumb are u ...like how much

I understand dumb ppl cant think beyond one line so let me break

 

 

if you read your own arguments ( imagine it was posted by others ) , you could see that poster shifted goal posts N number of times ..

ex:- you posted some 2012 article ( mickey arthur ) to claim that warner was considered a captaincy material , but when i said NSW gave captaincy to smith you said this "coz at that time warner had no claim"

 

 

i can also resort to name calling like idiot , stupid , dumb but i feel its not necessary ..

trust me i can do better than you

 

and you claimed that bhajji is not a captaincy material because he slapped  sree ..

when i pointed out warner vs root punching .. you said its off the filed

when i pointed out warner vs de cock incident .. you said its just a love

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Warner positive -

one best player of his loi team 

Won ipl

Tactically sound

Leads from front

Good fitness

Backing from ex player

Vice captain

Shown he can win tourmament

 

i agree with few things  .. but you could very well claim that he has a got six pack that also might make him a captaincy material

also best player , leading from the front , backing from the ex player doesnt make him a captaincy material ..

 

again your claim that acb considered repalcing smith with warner is a total joke 

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Bhajji positive

Won CL

 

Negative

Slapping a junior 

Not vice captain

Form got worst every year

Chucking

No suport from seniors

No good report from coaches

Bitter personality

No vice captaincy

 

cant be applied to warner .. do you want me to google and post it for you or you can do it by yourself ?

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So u see number of negtaives outweight positive n then such controversy stick like a sore thumb

 

If thats also to much for ur tiny head n big ego in one line - bhajji had nothing going for him so he could afford a controversy like it so yea due to that he cudnt be a captain. 

 

Did u get it.....or u need more tutions or now ull still wanna twist ur arm around a point coz u hve nothing left to say but ur ego is so big to accept that. 

 

When ever someone makes a point ask for reason like i asked tell me why he isnt a captaincy material which im still waiting, unlike make an opinion for other's which u have no right over.

 

i never claimed bhajji is a captaincy material .. 

i merely pointed out your different criteria for him vs warner ..

 

if you can fix a goalpost , then i can take a penalty kick  

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, velu said:

cant be applied to warner .. do you want me to google and post it for you or you can do it by yourself ?

 

Show me which junior did warner slap , i already gave u how arthur chappel wanted him as captain.

Never saw warner bitter about his junior like bhajji is about ashwin.

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Malinga

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, velu said:

agree with few things  .. but you could very well claim that he has a got six pack that also might make him a captaincy material

also best player , leading from the front , backing from the ex player doesnt make him a captaincy material ..

I never said about six pack ur fantasizing about it, probably even getting a hard on imagining it...

 

I wrote other stuff but as i said ull imagine whatever u want to

 

I added a lot more to the list and btw did u complete ur captaincy material list or u need two mnths.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

24 minutes ago, velu said:

can also resort to name calling like idiot , stupid , dumb but i feel its not necessary ..

trust me i can do better than you

M sure u can ...thats what ur good at . Never ever seen u make or contribute some good post on this forum but when it comes to doing that i doubt any one beats u at that. 

 

25 minutes ago, velu said:

again your claim that acb considered repalcing smith with warner is a total joke 

 

Every board consider making splits captain now due to workloads. Warner was already a vc n has captained aus in 9 t20 n 3 odi. 

 

Funny how ACB even allowed a guy to captain aus whom velu thought isnt captaincy material. But then who the hell is velu

 

[velu]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

M sure u can ...thats what ur good at . Never ever seen u make or contribute some good post on this forum but when it comes to doing that i doubt any one beats u at that. 

 

 

maybe you are right ..

but you beat me hands down when coming to shifting goal posts 

 

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Every board consider making splits captain now due to workloads. Warner was already a vc n has captained aus in 9 t20 n 3 odi. 

 

Funny how ACB even allowed a guy to captain aus whom velu thought isnt captaincy material. But then who the hell is velu

 

how about bhajji episode ?

 

team banned him for a seaosn because he slapped sree ..

same team offered him the captaincy and he won the WC T20 for them    

[velu]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I never said about six pack ur fantasizing about it, probably even getting a hard on imagining it...

 

I wrote other stuff but as i said ull imagine whatever u want to

 

I added a lot more to the list and btw did u complete ur captaincy material list or u need two mnths.

 

 

dude ..

good batsmen , aggressive and all other things are total bakwas ..

if those reasons are considered sachin will be the captain for out team forever  

 

team supported him , coach supported him are all flimsy ..

anyway do you have any example to show his tactical genuis as a captain ?

and you yourself contradicted his captaincy material thing .. clearly shows you are arguing the sake of arguing 

*mike arthur 2012 - warner captain material

* smith appointed captain

* warner have no claim to the captaincy at that time  

 

you only asked me to post about what is captaincy material .. probably 2 months is little short for me ;p: 

 

i think i can give more reasons why warner is not a captaincy material ..

he is a hot headed tool , picks fight with ease are enough for me to dsicard him ..