Vilander Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, MechEng said: How many tests have you watched ball by ball? Following cricbuzz doesn't count. Primitive. Read the post and respond don’t run around trying to troll or discredit its worthless.
Manny_Pacquiao Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 On 5/7/2020 at 12:18 PM, MechEng said: Australia has no proper class system, there even the Prime Minister is not taken seriously. Besides even in golf there are no bhaashans or lectures preaching about moral values unlike test cricket where people get weird pleasures by seeing a batsman score 40 off 180 balls and clap how resilient he is, and if Rohit Sharma hits huge sixes on a road like pitch it is all tamasha cricket. Australia very much has a class system. Try moving to australia and tell me if you're treated equally. Its a different type of class system, one that discriminates against those that aren't of British or european descent. Ask an aboriginal if australia has a class system? But i agree with your general point. This idea of test cricket being 'exceptional' is bullshit. Test cricket is garbage, most test matches are boring as *. Even in countries like england and australia, the demographic for test cricket is 50+, and most people attend matches to 'enjoy a day out' rather than actually watch the game. It's too long and boring for someone to watch it seriously. I don't see a great skill difference between test cricket and t-20.
MechEng Posted May 10, 2020 Author Posted May 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: Australia very much has a class system. Try moving to australia and tell me if you're treated equally. Its a different type of class system, one that discriminates against those that aren't of British or european descent. Ask an aboriginal if australia has a class system? But i agree with your general point. This idea of test cricket being 'exceptional' is bullshit. Test cricket is garbage, most test matches are boring as *. Even in countries like england and australia, the demographic for test cricket is 50+, and most people attend matches to 'enjoy a day out' rather than actually watch the game. It's too long and boring for someone to watch it seriously. I don't see a great skill difference between test cricket and t-20. There is a strange behaviour I have seen among Aussies is that they look down on South Africans, don't know why. Regarding tests, I disagree only with last line. It is still the sport that requires most sophisticated batting/bowling skills and strategies, but is it recommendable to watch it? Not for me and many others. Watching a test match ball by ball is more difficult than playing the game itself, it is simply not a global sport and only suitable for niche fans.
Manny_Pacquiao Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 12 hours ago, MechEng said: There is a strange behaviour I have seen among Aussies is that they look down on South Africans, don't know why. Regarding tests, I disagree only with last line. It is still the sport that requires most sophisticated batting/bowling skills and strategies, but is it recommendable to watch it? Not for me and many others. Watching a test match ball by ball is more difficult than playing the game itself, it is simply not a global sport and only suitable for niche fans. They look down on everyone who isn't british/european descent. I guess most australians think of winning the ashes as a form of working-class rebellion against their wealthier english counterparts - "you may be richer than us, but we're still better than you in cricket!" I don't think the ashes, or test cricket should even exist. The only reason it continues to exist is because cricket is still a british sport. They control the rules (MCC), the broadcasting, the schedule. India doesn't control the sport (yet). England and australia feel that without test cricket, they have no authority in decision-making. Their legacy is connected with test cricket, not T20. Unfortunately for them, the sport is dying in both england and australia.
MechEng Posted May 11, 2020 Author Posted May 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: They look down on everyone who isn't british/european descent. I guess most australians think of winning the ashes as a form of working-class rebellion against their wealthier english counterparts - "you may be richer than us, but we're still better than you in cricket!" I don't think the ashes, or test cricket should even exist. The only reason it continues to exist is because cricket is still a british sport. They control the rules (MCC), the broadcasting, the schedule. India doesn't control the sport (yet). England and australia feel that without test cricket, they have no authority in decision-making. Their legacy is connected with test cricket, not T20. Unfortunately for them, the sport is dying in both england and australia. I like your boldness on tests. Though I wouldn't go as far as saying that tests shouldn't exist, a lot of folks avoid calling tests boring in order to be seen as real cricket fans and segregate themselves from lesser white ball pyjama cricket fans. At least it's true in my case, I never liked tests but around the year 2009 I decided to give watching test matches a chance and finally now I admit that it is simply not my thing. I love T20s too but my only complaint is that there is excess cricket throughout the year which takes away the excitement.
Manny_Pacquiao Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, MechEng said: I like your boldness on tests. Though I wouldn't go as far as saying that tests shouldn't exist, a lot of folks avoid calling tests boring in order to be seen as real cricket fans and segregate themselves from lesser white ball pyjama cricket fans. At least it's true in my case, I never liked tests but around the year 2009 I decided to give watching test matches a chance and finally now I admit that it is simply not my thing. I love T20s too but my only complaint is that there is excess cricket throughout the year which takes away the excitement. The older generation say that. I put myself in that category, by the way. I mean, if we grew up watching tests, then test cricket is important. But that is changing with the younger generation, who grew up ignoring tests and watching IPL. People like me - who actually watch test matches - are irrelevant. The only reason test cricket hasn't died yet is because BCCI administrators still haven't broken away from the ICC. They should. Break away from the ICC, start your own "global cricket federation" with its own rules and schedule. Make the IPL 6 months. Then you don't have to waste time with the boring politics of the ICC, you'll simply control the sport and keep all the profits for yourself. I'm not sure what's preventing them from doing this.
MechEng Posted May 11, 2020 Author Posted May 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: The older generation say that. I put myself in that category, by the way. I mean, if we grew up watching tests, then test cricket is important. But that is changing with the younger generation, who grew up ignoring tests and watching IPL. People like me - who actually watch test matches - are irrelevant. The only reason test cricket hasn't died yet is because BCCI administrators still haven't broken away from the ICC. They should. Break away from the ICC, start your own "global cricket federation" with its own rules and schedule. Make the IPL 6 months. Then you don't have to waste time with the boring politics of the ICC, you'll simply control the sport and keep all the profits for yourself. I'm not sure what's preventing them from doing this. I think we will be seeing franchise cricket overpowering international cricket inevitably. Playing for the country is no longer the biggest dream now, you can see how bored Pakistani cricketers look except for Babar Azam, Australia has Pat Cummins and Smith but the rest are bored again. England and South Africa will soon become immigrant XI and West Indies/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh have whole heartedly embraced franchise t20 cricket. So it will be inevitable for franchise t20 cricket to be bigger than international cricket.
someone Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 20 hours ago, MechEng said: I think we will be seeing franchise cricket overpowering international cricket inevitably. Playing for the country is no longer the biggest dream now, you can see how bored Pakistani cricketers look except for Babar Azam, Australia has Pat Cummins and Smith but the rest are bored again. England and South Africa will soon become immigrant XI and West Indies/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh have whole heartedly embraced franchise t20 cricket. So it will be inevitable for franchise t20 cricket to be bigger than international cricket. That's because of the boring and irrelevance of international series. It seems like the players play for themselves and their averages. The only time that's not the case is when WCs are happening.
MechEng Posted May 12, 2020 Author Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, someone said: That's because of the boring and irrelevance of international series. It seems like the players play for themselves and their averages. The only time that's not the case is when WCs are happening. Even world cups are boring now... I think it's because we play so much cricket throughout the year including the unnecessary local T20 leagues like TNPL or KPL that the excitement of winning something big has gone. There used to be a time when we waited once in 4 years for Australia to tour India for an ODI series eagerly, now it's simply Rohit Sharma show.
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