Jharkhand resolution allows tribals to identify as non-Hindus

[Gollum]

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Lingayat card failed in Karnataka, so next part of their grand project in tribal state. Missionaries will be pleased. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

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Lingayat card failed in Karnataka, so next part of their grand project in tribal state. Missionaries will be pleased. 

Is there a good reason that someone shouldn't have the freedom to walk away from a religion if they want to?  Just because one is born into a religion does not make them a part of the religion, if as adults, they don't agree with the tenets. 

 

I think the big issue is not that these folks can de-classify, but that other religions will swoop in and claim them by luring them with whatever it is they feel they lack in their lives.  If that is the fear, maybe Hinduism should start competing directly with those other proselytizing religions by freely doing its own proselytizing - Hindu missionaries, if you will.  

 

The solution to all of this is for the government to stay out of people's religious choices.  

[Gollum]

29 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Is there a good reason that someone shouldn't have the freedom to walk away from a religion if they want to?  Just because one is born into a religion does not make them a part of the religion, if as adults, they don't agree with the tenets. 

Agree

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I think the big issue is not that these folks can de-classify, but that other religions will swoop in and claim them by luring them with whatever it is they feel they lack in their lives.

That's the concern, these tribal areas are ripe for conversion and there are deep links of these missionary groups with far left and Naxals. 

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If that is the fear, maybe Hinduism should start competing directly with those other proselytizing religions by freely doing its own proselytizing - Hindu missionaries, if you will.  

Our religion doesn't do that, except Arya Samaj's ceremony how does one convert to Hinduism? And even if some non-Hindu tries to convert back to faith of his/her ancestors so many roadblocks and not just from their community but from Indian state, media, activists.....we know who controls the narrative.  

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The solution to all of this is for the government to stay out of people's religious choices.  

Should have been the case since independence but Nehru and his cronies had to selectively interfere in workings of one religion. For instance why do only Hindu temples and maths have to be under govt control? Why polygamy for Muslims in this age? Triple Talaq, Marriage Acts...so many examples. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Gollum

[Vilander]

On 11/27/2020 at 8:58 AM, BacktoCricaddict said:

The solution to all of this is for the government to stay out of people's religious choices.  

Pray tell, Would it also include minority benefits and reservations.

 

And would any minority personal law be obsolved as well. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

20 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Pray tell, Would it also include minority benefits and reservations.

 

And would any minority personal law be obsolved as well. 

I don't pray.  But I will tell.  Yes and Absolutely yes.  

[Gollum]

The larger game plan of fifth column, split Hindus. Mamata has already indicated that Bengal will follow suit, earlier this year stopped mass marriage of Sarna tribals when they wanted to conduct it as per Hindu traditions. 

 

This Peerzada used to support Mamata, now thrown weight behind Owaisi for next year's election. Organized rallies in support of BD Jamaat, Razakars, 1971 war criminals when some of those bstards were sent to gallows by Hasina govt a couple of years back. Notorious figure. 

 

‘We are majority here, not minority, because Dalits and Adivasis are not Hindus’: claims AIMIM’s West Bengal ally Peerzada Abbas Siddiqui

 

 

Edited November 29, 2020 by Gollum

[BacktoCricaddict]

12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

The larger game plan of fifth column, split Hindus. Mamata has already indicated that Bengal will follow suit, earlier this year stopped mass marriage of Sarna tribals when they wanted to conduct it as per Hindu traditions. 

This is the antithesis of giving individuals or groups the right to declare themselves non-Hindus, if they so desire (as outlined in OP).  In this case, if these people wanted to conduct their wedding per Hindu traditions, it is their prerogative.  Who the heck is the govt to come in and tell them whether they are Hindu or not, or how they should conduct their weddings?  

[coffee_rules]

21 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

This is the antithesis of giving individuals or groups the right to declare themselves non-Hindus, if they so desire (as outlined in OP).  In this case, if these people wanted to conduct their wedding per Hindu traditions, it is their prerogative.  Who the heck is the govt to come in and tell them whether they are Hindu or not, or how they should conduct their weddings?  

Bah, westerners thinking about the individual rights. hooman rights etc,. Do you know the politics behind this law? It has been there since colonial times, even during the first census 1891 when missionaries wanted free access to tribals for proselytization. They forced the commissioner of census to declare Tribals as non-Hindus The tribals who were tree/nature  worshippers were declared as Animists , as they were not associated with any Hindu gods. This caused any protection of safeguard of indigenous culture and religion to be thwarted. Using this law , entire NE and especially Arunachal Pradesh was converted during Rajiv Gandhi and later in Sonia UPA rule , with impunity.  

 

http://indiafacts.org/are-indian-tribals-hindus-the-figures/

 

 

Watch this video although 2 years old has a lot of data on the subject

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Bah, westerners thinking about the individual rights. hooman rights etc,. Do you know the politics behind this law? It has been there since colonial times, even during the first census 1891 when missionaries wanted free access to tribals for proselytization. They forced the commissioner of census to declare Tribals as non-Hindus The tribals who were tree/nature  worshippers were declared as Animists , as they were not associated with any Hindu gods. This caused any protection of safeguard of indigenous culture and religion to be thwarted. Using this law , entire NE and especially Arunachal Pradesh was converted during Rajiv Gandhi and later in Sonia UPA rule , with impunity.  

 

http://indiafacts.org/are-indian-tribals-hindus-the-figures/

 

 

Watch this video although 2 years old has a lot of data on the subject

 

 

Will watch.  In the meantime a big question from me - what do the tribals want?  Do they identify as Hindus or not?  

[coffee_rules]

12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Will watch.  In the meantime a big question from me - what do the tribals want?  Do they identify as Hindus or not?  

 

They have overwhelmingly declared themselves as Hindus in some states. Politics in play in other states where INC/UPA has influence or cause disruption. The declaration as non-Hindus is for census and family laws. But also, gives them free access without any anti-conversion laws are in place. Also, Arunachal has a anti-conversion law, they could still convert tribals en-masse using coercion methods.

Edited November 30, 2020 by coffee_rules

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

 

They have overwhelmingly declared themselves as Hindus in some states. Politics in play in other states where INC/UPA has influence or cause disruption. 

They should be left alone then.  Of course, if there is an individual who does not identify with Hinduism - and this applies to tribals/non-tribals - s/he should not be held to it.  

 

There's politics everywhere - groups jockeying for position, power and numbers.  And everyone seemingly feels victimized that their in-group is somehow being taken advantage of.