FischerTal Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Khota said: Let them eat cake. more deflection
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Khota said: It was gauranteed before this. Why dont they put it in writing. Readiing in between the lines let us make these poor farmers worse off because the current rate of suicide is not bad enough. Please state where was this guaranteed. Govt was providing msp as a commitment. In fact highest msp was provided last year. so again, in which clause was msp guaranteed in the farm bill.
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 It’s incredible. For such basic questions there are no answers. Because it’s a bogus protest. Some of farmers are well intentioned but misinformed. Some are just causing problem. truth is monopoly of middlemen will go away. And they are inciting the farmers. Farmers get access to bigger market with the same msp as was before.
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Under_Score said: This lawyer explains why it is not misinformed, also why is Modi ( or his team ) not having a LIVE debate with Farmer leaders at the Singhu border who are fighting a genuine cause. If this is vitriolic video you are sharing to make the point it doesn’t help. The lawyer doesn’t answer any of specific questions. for anyone who wants to learn about farm bill.
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 13 hours ago, mishra said: Lets be absolutely honest, farming is not lucrative business else people wont be leaving the sector and moving to cities. So no doubt, something needs to be done as current rule is not fit for pirpose. Question is, Will new rules make farming relatively lucrative, I feel may be yes. Problem is safeguarding farmers land, because one thing we must be prepared for, Ambani and Adani may not go after farmers land but there will be some ass hole who will find loopholes to do land grab.. Despite all assurances, I fear those vultures as initial proposal did not factor in vultures. Give me one practical way that Adani / Ambani will take over farm lands of local farmers under new laws.
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, FischerTal said: more deflection Fact: BJP is creating an Oligarchy. Fact: Their economic policies are failure. Fact: GST is a failure. Fact: Currency step was a failure. Fact: BanglaDesh per capita GDP has gone higher than Indian on their watch. Fact:75% of wealth created went to top 1% fact: You are a bot. Under_Score and speedheat 2
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 4 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Give me one practical way that Adani / Ambani will take over farm lands of local farmers under new laws. They control the market. With their purchasing power they can low ball the price. Poor farmer has to deed his land (girvi). This is example no 1. I can give you thousands. Under_Score 1
Yoda-esque Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Govt shouldn't bow down at all, let these idiots do what they want.... ravishingravi 1
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 15 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Was minimum price guaranteed in previous farm bill ? If so, show me the clause In 60's all the governemnts agreed upon MSP and they have honored it.
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: Govt shouldn't bow down at all, let these idiots do what they want.... So angry you are. It is not about bowing down but equitable distribution of wealth.
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, ravishingravi said: It’s incredible. For such basic questions there are no answers. Because it’s a bogus protest. Some of farmers are well intentioned but misinformed. Some are just causing problem. truth is monopoly of middlemen will go away. And they are inciting the farmers. Farmers get access to bigger market with the same msp as was before. If that is what happens you are correct. Truth is far from it and farmers are truly scared they will lose their land. This is another demonetization scheme. has the black money gone away. I was so happy when Modi got elected because i was tired of congress. Right now I think he is squendering his mandate. Under_Score 1
FischerTal Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Khota said: Fact: BJP is creating an Oligarchy. Fact: Their economic policies are failure. Fact: GST is a failure. Fact: Currency step was a failure. Fact: BanglaDesh per capita GDP has gone higher than Indian on their watch. Fact:75% of wealth created went to top 1% fact: You are a bot. still deflecting Edited December 28, 2020 by FischerTal
FischerTal Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Khota said: If that is what happens you are correct. Truth is far from it and farmers are truly scared they will lose their land. This is another demonetization scheme. has the black money gone away. I was so happy when Modi got elected because i was tired of congress. Right now I think he is squendering his mandate. a very concentrated group of farmers... not all. clarify that
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, FischerTal said: a very concentrated group of farmers... not all. clarify that And your sources are?
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, FischerTal said: still deflecting And BD per capita GDP>India.
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Ravish 5 years back https://twitter.com/pradip103/status/1343436339811901441?s=21
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, Khota said: They control the market. With their purchasing power they can low ball the price. Poor farmer has to deed his land (girvi). This is example no 1. I can give you thousands. So you are saying Adani / Ambani will force the farmers to mortgage their lands. So You are not aware of Indian contract act. If this your example, I think we need to educate farmers better. You also discount the fact that farmers don’t have to trade with Adani / Ambani. They can continue selling through mandi.
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: Govt shouldn't bow down at all, let these idiots do what they want.... i must be honest. This is conclusion I have to come to. There is no issue here. Just noise.
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: So you are saying Adani / Ambani will force the farmers to mortgage their lands. So You are not aware of Indian contract act. If this your example, I think we need to educate farmers better. You also discount the fact that farmers don’t have to trade with Adani / Ambani. They can continue selling through mandi. Legal/contracts have no meaning as arbitration cannot go to court. Why are courts being bypassed??? There biggest fear is mandis as they know it will disappear. I agree farmers need to be educated better but the first sep is trust. If you start calling people whose sons/fathers have laid down their life for India as terrorist than that is not a good starting point. This is coming from someone who is a big fan of Modi and wants him to be successful. These things are done incrementally not overnight. That is how India operates. Let us start by cutting waste in PSU's etc. atleast these farmers work 10 hrs a day whereas a government employee barely works 10 hrs a week. SteveFire and Under_Score 2
Khota Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: i must be honest. This is conclusion I have to come to. There is no issue here. Just noise. 50% of the population is worried how they will put food on the table and people call it a non issue. What am I missing? Under_Score and SteveFire 1 1
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