Enjoy the game, be the zen!!

[zen]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

@zen hope you hated this game as a neutral because it turned out pretty one sided in the end and got over in 3.5 days. Boring test cricket right?

Au contraire,it was good to to see the touring team do well after its big loss in the first game to keep the series alive. Enjoyed performances of Gill, who I had hoped would make a strong debut at MCG. Liked the bowling from both sides. Catching could have been better esp. from Aus

 

My match thread proved lucky for the underdogs (esp. after the big loss in the last game). At 1-1, the series is nicely poised (v 0-2)

 

PS let the team that plays well or better cricket win 

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[sandeep]

Miyaa padyaa, pan tangdi oonchi!

 

 

[RedFever]

On 12/27/2020 at 5:38 PM, Vilander said:

Try doing that for Gujarati vs non Gujarati first 

LOL, OP cant hide his bias for Pujara, in each and every thread will comment on how great he is. And here he is trying to portray himself as neutral.

[Tyron]

Pujara us a great player but he needs to open now. Too slow in the middle order. 

 

 

[zen]

Some poor quality posts here from “unknown” posters 

[zen]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

Miyaa padyaa, pan tangdi oonchi!

 

 

zen says one should look for different experiences in life .... keep a beginner’s mind to explore new angles 

Edited December 30, 2020 by zen

[GeeGaw]

On 12/24/2020 at 9:53 AM, zen said:

Planning to turn into a neutral cricket fan except in major multi national LOI events, key test series and IPL
 

Will try to appreciate good cricket from all sides. And may support underdogs at times too
 

Go cricket!!!!!! .... “Enjoy” the game to the fullest w/ worrying about results

 

Anyone else want to hop on to this boat?  
 

What else is there to care about other than major multi national LOIs, key test series and IPL?

[GeeGaw]

I can pretty much root for any cricket team under the right conditions except ENG, PAK and CSK.

[zen]

24 minutes ago, GeeGaw said:

What else is there to care about other than major multi national LOIs, key test series and IPL?

 

It would depend upon the individual .... As for me, atm, it would probably be world cups, World Test Series final, and of course IPL 

 

 

20 minutes ago, GeeGaw said:

I can pretty much root for any cricket team under the right conditions except ENG, PAK and CSK.

 

By neutral, I imply not following the game just to see a team win or lose but simply enjoying good cricket by all teams no matter who wins/loses.... it means supporting good cricket by both Ind and other teams  .... looking at the game from a fairer neutral perspective .... and so on 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2020 by zen

[Tyron]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Some poor quality posts here from “unknown” posters 

 

We get E credit here  to be a 'known' poster? 

[zen]

37 minutes ago, Tyron said:

 

We get E credit here  to be a 'known' poster? 

 

you have started on the wrong foot 

[sandeep]

11 hours ago, Tyron said:

 

We get E credit here  to be a 'known' poster? 

not really, but track record buys a bit of slack for sure for occasional uncharacteristic outbursts.  In your case, your unnecessary ethnic slur, coupled with your short posting history, implies that you are a bit of a cranky hothead with a tendency to shoot your mouth off.

 

 

[sandeep]

12 hours ago, zen said:

 

It would depend upon the individual .... As for me, atm, it would probably be world cups, World Test Series final, and of course IPL 

 

 

 

By neutral, I imply not following the game just to see a team win or lose but simply enjoying good cricket by all teams no matter who wins/loses.... it means supporting good cricket by both Ind and other teams  .... looking at the game from a fairer neutral perspective .... and so on 

 

 

You can do all of that without being a 'neutral'.

 

For example, I love Pat Cummins and am a huge fan of his - and there is no problem in acknowledging that he is  bowling fire in this series.  

[Tyron]

53 minutes ago, sandeep said:

not really, but track record buys a bit of slack for sure for occasional uncharacteristic outbursts.  In your case, your unnecessary ethnic slur, coupled with your short posting history, implies that you are a bit of a cranky hothead with a tendency to shoot your mouth off.

 

 

Thats how you feel. Doesn't make it true. I just don't like people who believe in jinxes and acting all pessimistic all the time. You, zen are like the epitome of masochism. 

[sandeep]

19 minutes ago, Tyron said:

ou, zen are like the epitome of masochism. 

I am happy to be bucketed with Zen in most things buddy, but you're making some silly assumptions based on, nothing really.  Long-time posters on this forum have repeatedly accused me of being an "over-optimistic India sipahi".  I am one of the few who predicted that we are likely to do very well in the Boxing day test match, even before the toss.  

 

This is what happens when over-smart newbies who don't know the 'regulars' start making infantile assumptions - they only manage to make an ass of themselves -as the saying goes.

[zen]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

You can do all of that without being a 'neutral'.

 

For example, I love Pat Cummins and am a huge fan of his - and there is no problem in acknowledging that he is  bowling fire in this series.  

This is turning into a good discussion.  I agree that there are various ways to appreciate good cricket. However, for many when we follow cricket to primarily support a team, certain biases creep in and we get too focused on the result.

 

 For e.g. if the catch of an Ind player is dropped, we are happy. On the other hand, if an Ind player drops a catch, we get “naturally” angry. When at the end of the day, it is a part of cricket. Similarly, when an Ind bowler gets an easy wkt (batsman’s error), we feel elated. When the opposition bowler gets a wkt from a great ball, we feel dejected at the loss of wkt.  At times, we are happy to see bad cricket from the other team just to be happy to be on the winning side or vice versa.

Nothing wrong with the above but what if you want to enjoy cricket more (As in a result focused following, the emotions can get clouded by a win/loss) . If we turn the equation and say “we do not care about the result” and focus on supporting good cricket, does that increase the enjoyment of the great game? As now the focus is not on which team scores runs and loses wkts but “how”.
 

Therefore, if the other team bowls a great ball, the immediate reaction should shift from dejection at losing the wkt to appreciation of the good ball.   A good shot by the other team’s batsman should lead to clapping for it rather than naturally falling on the Ind bowler “leaking runs” and getting worried (as cricket is tied to win/loss result). A win or a loss would not improve or spoil an evening, but we walk away admiring the good cricket from both teams.

 

These are some of the concepts that I am trying to explore further  

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2020 by zen

[Tyron]

52 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I am happy to be bucketed with Zen in most things buddy, but you're making some silly assumptions based on, nothing really.  Long-time posters on this forum have repeatedly accused me of being an "over-optimistic India sipahi".  I am one of the few who predicted that we are likely to do very well in the Boxing day test match, even before the toss.  

 

This is what happens when over-smart newbies who don't know the 'regulars' start making infantile assumptions - they only manage to make an ass of themselves -as the saying goes.

Perhaps. I am thinking of a different poster then. 

[sandeep]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

This is turning into a good discussion.  I agree that there are various ways to appreciate good cricket. However, for many when we follow cricket to primarily support a team, certain biases creep in and we get too focused on the result.

 

 For e.g. if the catch of an Ind player is dropped, we are happy. On the other hand, if an Ind player drops a catch, we get “naturally” angry. When at the end of the day, it is a part of cricket. Similarly, when an Ind bowler gets an easy wkt (batsman’s error), we feel elated. When the opposition bowler gets a wkt from a great ball, we feel dejected at the loss of wkt.  At times, we are happy to see bad cricket from the other team just to be happy to be on the winning side or vice versa.

Nothing wrong with the above but what if you want to enjoy cricket more (As in a result focused following, the emotions can get clouded by a win/loss) . If we turn the equation and say “we do not care about the result” and focus on supporting good cricket, does that increase the enjoyment of the great game? As now the focus is not on which team scores runs and loses wkts but “how”.
 

Therefore, if the other team bowls a great ball, the immediate reaction should shift from dejection at losing the wkt to appreciation of the good ball.   A good shot by the other team’s batsman should lead to clapping for it rather than naturally falling on the Ind bowler “leaking runs” and getting worried (as cricket is tied to win/loss result). A win or a loss would not improve or spoil an evening, but we walk away admiring the good cricket from both teams.

 

These are some of the concepts that I am trying to explore further  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like the motives of a self-proclaimed SadhuBaba get questioned when he surrounds himself with pretty female 'attendants', your motives for 'exploring neutrality further' are questionable due to the context of beginning said 'exploration' right on the heels of 36 all out.  

[Tyron]

21 minutes ago, zen said:

This is turning into a good discussion.  I agree that there are various ways to appreciate good cricket. However, for many when we follow cricket to primarily support a team, certain biases creep in and we get too focused on the result.

 

 For e.g. if the catch of an Ind player is dropped, we are happy. On the other hand, if an Ind player drops a catch, we get “naturally” angry. When at the end of the day, it is a part of cricket. Similarly, when an Ind bowler gets an easy wkt (batsman’s error), we feel elated. When the opposition bowler gets a wkt from a great ball, we feel dejected at the loss of wkt.  At times, we are happy to see bad cricket from the other team just to be happy to be on the winning side or vice versa.

Nothing wrong with the above but what if you want to enjoy cricket more (As in a result focused following, the emotions can get clouded by a win/loss) . If we turn the equation and say “we do not care about the result” and focus on supporting good cricket, does that increase the enjoyment of the great game? As now the focus is not on which team scores runs and loses wkts but “how”.
 

Therefore, if the other team bowls a great ball, the immediate reaction should shift from dejection at losing the wkt to appreciation of the good ball.   A good shot by the other team’s batsman should lead to clapping for it rather than naturally falling on the Ind bowler “leaking runs” and getting worried (as cricket is tied to win/loss result). A win or a loss would not improve or spoil an evening, but we walk away admiring the good cricket from both teams.

 

These are some of the concepts that I am trying to explore further  

 

 

 

 

Country getting the victory is important obviously. Playing good cricket while winning is the best possible results ofcourse. 

[sandeep]

16 minutes ago, Tyron said:

Perhaps. I am thinking of a different poster then. 

That's why you shouldn't pre-maturely ejaculate without knowing what you are talking about.  "Perhaps".

Edited December 30, 2020 by sandeep