Who is the fairest team?

[THX_1138]

I voted for Pakistan... they are quite consistent in their treatement of the opposition and their conduct on the field... they resemble what one would call "spherical jackasses" i.e. they look like jackasses every which way you look at them.

[f.b.m]

Haha, reading Sam Harris and Dan Dennett has got to you THX.

[ludhianvi]

IMO , no team is a fair team.

[THX_1138]

Haha' date=' reading Sam Harris and Dan Dennett has got to you THX.[/quote'] actually i think it was some astrophysicist who coined the term "spherical bastards" lol which of course i unabashedly plagiarized. (and would have got away with had it not been for your meedling!) p.s. do you post on our sister site (rather i should say, bastard child... PP)

[Sachinism]

This is the only incident that I can recall from the top of my head involving NZ was this one: YouTube - Spectacular Run Out | Murali | Sangakkara

yeh i remember that very unsporting on the part of NZ

[f.b.m]

actually i think it was some astrophysicist who coined the term "spherical bastards" lol which of course i unabashedly plagiarized. (and would have got away with had it not been for your meedling!) p.s. do you post on our sister site (rather i should say, bastard child... PP)

Yes, although that site is only used for long winded, anti religious rants. edit: Spherical bastards is a nice one. Just found out about it

[King]

I voted for West Indies. NZ's pretty good but for couple of guys.

[graphic23]

I'd go with what Ludhianvi said as well. No team is fair, as you first introduced this thread. I don't think there can be a level of fairness. Its either fair or not.

[Guest Hiten.]

What about BD? I hardly remember them sledge or abuse or do anything against the spirit of the game.

When they are being pasted on the wall everytime they step on field, why in the bloody hell would they sledge ? :cantstop:

[Chaos]

this is a game for MEN, not for ladies.

[PaiN_KiLLeR]

:hysterical:5 people voted for India

[DomainK]

:hysterical:5 people voted for India

Exactly the same question was asked on an international forum. India stands at no2 behind West Indies.:two_thumbs_up:

[CC1981]

this is a game for MEN' date=' not for ladies.[/quote'] wtf difference does that make- men/ladies or hidjaa.....why do we have so many people with such sexist mentality from our part of the world ???? men and women are basically different in their boobs and sex organs...otherwise,exactly the same,really.

[CC1981]

i voted NZ...they play with the fairest spirit of all....definitely not WI,AUS,ENG,IND or Pakistan..

[coffee_rules]

wtf difference does that make- men/ladies or hidjaa.....why do we have so many people with such sexist mentality from our part of the world ???? men and women are basically different in their boobs and sex organs...otherwise,exactly the same,really.

From our part of the world? you do have some high opinion about western society. Newsflash for you, it's equally sexist. The idea of fairness is only a perception. Let America vote it's first woman president and then let's talk about fair sexism in America.

[CC1981]

you do have some high opinion about western society

No, they have their flaws....but their society is more open, eglatarian ( on religion, gender and age) than Indian society is in practice. Their societies are also far more liveable than Indian society- incase you didn't notice, western societies don't have savages who burn churches, create dime-a-dozen insurgencies, whine about 'bhumiputra' type racist/seggregationist claptrap,etc. Desis do that however.

Let America vote it's first woman president and then let's talk about fair sexism in America

America is not a benchmark of western society,neither is it the sole representative of it, nomatter what its media might claim and what ignoramus desis fed on Hollywood garble think. Come back to me when Indian society can be as civilized as Canada & Western Europe- and on that, there is no contest, for countries like Canada,UK,France,Germany,Denmark,Scandinavia,Iceland,etc. are FAR FAR ahead of India in most social issues- healthcare, social services, education, gender equality or anti-age discrimination. I never mention America in my posts either- which is (apart from Australia) a backwater and stunted nation socially amongst the western nations.

[iluvbrettlee]

New Zealand, because they are the most gore, chitte out of all of them....lolz....u asked for the fairest na, all of them should start using fair and lovely to win this poll...

[graphic23]

No, they have their flaws....but their society is more open, eglatarian ( on religion, gender and age) than Indian society is in practice. Their societies are also far more liveable than Indian society- incase you didn't notice, western societies don't have savages who burn churches, create dime-a-dozen insurgencies, whine about 'bhumiputra' type racist/seggregationist claptrap,etc. Desis do that however.

How many different cultures live in western societies? How many different religions? In the western society you talk about, does each part speak a different language (in a particular country)? Though they might be of the same religion, do they drastically differ? And how much of the western society gained independence from a 150 years of rule only 50 years ago? And how much wealth has been stolen from them by Britain 50 years ago? I'm not sure of your physical location but if you come to the US, you'll see that at least every 2 months , there's a news report on church officials sexually abusing people/children. I've lived in India for a pretty long time and so have my parents and I've never seen/heard any pujaris or church officals or Muslim pirs do this. You've made a case that the US doesn't represent the western society so I'll even tell you that so much racism is in existence all over western Europe as well. When Osama Bin Laden attacked the Twin Towers, the aftermath was horrendous for sikhs in Europe - France, particularly. Have you read news reports on how many sikhs were killed because of a misinterpretation of their religion? They were asked to no longer wear their turban, etc. As far as I know, not many muslims were killed in India for this reason, nor were many sikhs killed. And still we have people working in Afghanistan.

America is not a benchmark of western society,neither is it the sole representative of it, nomatter what its media might claim and what ignoramus desis fed on Hollywood garble think. Come back to me when Indian society can be as civilized as Canada & Western Europe- and on that, there is no contest, for countries like Canada,UK,France,Germany,Denmark,Scandinavia,Iceland,etc. are FAR FAR ahead of India in most social issues- healthcare, social services, education, gender equality or anti-age discrimination. I never mention America in my posts either- which is (apart from Australia) a backwater and stunted nation socially amongst the western nations.

What is civilization to you? Out of those countries, how many have 1 billion population, where nearly every state speaks a different language, has a different culture? How many of them got independence only 50 years ago? How many of those countries have a poverty rate of 70+%, and have an illiteracy rate of about the same percentage? How many of those countries have a neighbor with a nuclear weapon pointed at them? Healthcare, Social Services, Education, and Anti-Age discrimination wise, you are right they are ahead and the previous factors mentioned by me in this post tell you why that is. Gender Equality wise, we had a female Prime Minister for nearly 10 years. For a nation that's stereotyped as one which does not respect women, I think thats a pretty awesome achievement. There have been so many rules established in recent years for women abuse by husbands, protection for women in the working force, etc. You are horrendously generalizing this topic. This post is not to belittle you but just to argue my point across. Perhaps, we have had different experiences and so opinions are different. Another thing is I'm not at all saying we're perfect or that we're above everyone else. But I'm saying your saying Indians are civilized does not seem to be in any manner representing the truth. In case you mean that we're not civilized because we burn effigies of cricketers and worship them when they do well, that has nothing to do with our civilization. It has to do with literacy,and maturity. Plus, it is a common feeling in the older generation or the middle generation of India that we're often being prejudiced against. So perhaps, when the ICC rules against India, thats why they behave the way they do. I have nothing to defend in our behavior when India was eliminated in the early stages of the 2007 WC. I thought that was deplorable and it required a very small bit of maturity to recognize that these guys are sportsmen and they don't always win/perform like we expect them to - especially in a sport like cricket.

[CC1981]

How many different cultures live in western societies? How many different religions? In the western society you talk about, does each part speak a different language (in a particular country)? Though they might be of the same religion, do they drastically differ? And how much of the western society gained independence from a 150 years of rule only 50 years ago? And how much wealth has been stolen from them by Britain 50 years ago?

All valid points...and all that i am already aware of. However, i am commenting on a fact, not the causus belli behind it - fact is, India is much much more backwards socially than the west- not just in material development of life but also spiritual and social development of life.

I'm not sure of your physical location but if you come to the US, you'll see that at least every 2 months , there's a news report on church officials sexually abusing people/children. I've lived in India for a pretty long time and so have my parents and I've never seen/heard any pujaris or church officals or Muslim pirs do this.

Actually, India is by far the worst offender in the world when it comes to sexual abuse. Amnesty International has already covered this, where Indians rape people at an unprecedented rate of something like every 10 seconds an indian is raped by an Indian.

You've made a case that the US doesn't represent the western society so I'll even tell you that so much racism is in existence all over western Europe as well. When Osama Bin Laden attacked the Twin Towers, the aftermath was horrendous for sikhs in Europe - France, particularly. Have you read news reports on how many sikhs were killed because of a misinterpretation of their religion? They were asked to no longer wear their turban, etc. As far as I know, not many muslims were killed in India for this reason, nor were many sikhs killed. And still we have people working in Afghanistan.

Err...show me some evidence...i followed the whole 9/11 saga very closely and there was no sectarian violence in France attached to 9/11....the Sikhs that were abused were in the States...

What is civilization to you? Out of those countries, how many have 1 billion population, where nearly every state speaks a different language, has a different culture? How many of them got independence only 50 years ago? How many of those countries have a poverty rate of 70+%, and have an illiteracy rate of about the same percentage? How many of those countries have a neighbor with a nuclear weapon pointed at them?

Mate, the poverty is of our making. Incase you didn't notice, many of the western nations were utterly decimated after World War II- Russia, Britain, France, Germany, the low countries, Italy, etc. were big,smoking, charred ruins due to WWII and yet they made a far stronger comeback than India post Independence. True, they got investment help from the Americans (not Russia) but the KEY reason they did so well is because they didn't increase their population by over four times in this timespan. Most of India's poverty is due to Indians breeding like rats and producing more mouths than they can feed well...this isn't something you can blame on colonialism really, for the western nations as well as Korea, Japan, China,etc. have shown far stronger progress in the last 70 years than India has and that has to do with OUR corruption, directionless governance and far more myopic society.

For a nation that's stereotyped as one which does not respect women, I think thats a pretty awesome achievement. There have been so many rules established in recent years for women abuse by husbands, protection for women in the working force, etc. You are horrendously generalizing this topic.

No, i am most certainly NOT generalizing on this topic. So what we have women Prime Ministers and Presidents when India is the #1 nation (outside sub-saharan barbarian nations) in violence against females- per capita AND cumulatively ? So what we have made rules safeguarding the interests of women- it is utterly irrelevant what rules we have in the book when the society is producing stunning amounts of violence and opression against women- and the rules you speak of, India has adopted nearly 50+ years after most western and developed Eastern nations.

But I'm saying your saying Indians are civilized does not seem to be in any manner representing the truth.

?????? Here is my perspective on India - we WERE once a great civilization that got owned because we lacked unity. It is passe to blame the fall of Indian civilization on the 'evil muslim invaders' and to a large extent,it is true on the surface- they did genocide us, kill off our institutions in intellectualism and freedom. But the REAL cause of that is **OUR OWN** infighting weakening the empires/land. The Bactrian Greeks invaded us after the Mauryans were betrayed by the Sungaas, the Guptas lost to the Huns (who were the first wave of destroyers to visit India) after their feudal system collapsed, the Muslims only made a breakthrough after the Bengali, Gujjar,Tamil and Kannada empires ground each other down to dust by non-stop war and the British only got a foothold due to Mughal-Maraatha feud. But India, TODAY, is a backwards, myopic civilization with way too many problems to see any sort of social prosperity,even in the distant future. India and Indians revel in their past glory, but fact is, we have little or no claim to a civilized society today and going on a patriotic bender won't change that. If anything, the kind of patriotic dogma many display here (not saying you are guilty of it too, but your post was very defensive) and the defensive mindset displayed here only delays any actual social change in India/stunts it, because justification of our present times takes away the urgency for change and genuine contempt that Indian society today deserves.

In case you mean that we're not civilized because we burn effigies of cricketers and worship them when they do well, that has nothing to do with our civilization. It has to do with literacy,and maturity.

But it is literacy and maturity that defines a civilization- not just hoarding gold and banging rocks together to make monuments....

Plus, it is a common feeling in the older generation or the middle generation of India that we're often being prejudiced against.

Yes, i am well aware of that inferiority complex afflicting most Indians above the age of 20. Yes, we are often being prejudiced against, but in most cases, it is well deserved. For eg, Indian guys are often steriotyped here as being dunderheads with low physical attraction quality- and while on the surface that is offensive, is it really deviating much from the truth ? How many desi guys you know who can be good mates with women as opposed to tongue-tied and fidgety and thinking 'she must wanna sleep with me coz she's talking to me!! she smiled at me!' ? It is neither a generalization or a falsehood to say that the latter group outnumbers the former by probably 100:1. Now look at guys growing up in the western context- far more relaxed around women. How many desi guys are in good physical shape and how many desi chicks are downright 'hot' ? again, far less in average than westerners/easterners because we don't invest in looks and physical beauty- it is seen as 'vain/slutty/etc' to even dress in jeans and shirt for most girls, nevermind actually looking 'hawt'.

[beetle]

The Men in Black.