IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

These two know how to bowl on slow pitches and that is the key. 

 

They attack the stumps at pace and move some balls away as variation. They use bouncers only as surprise balls in India. 

 

Bumrah still trends to spray it a bit like he did in the World Cup knockouts .  Against NZ , he started bowling full and wide 

 

Shami , since 2023 IPL, has become a ridiculously accurate bowler.  He was giving barely any width and hardly anything was pitched up. 

 

It's some of the best ODI bowling ever by an Indian fast bowler.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

 They were never express .

 

You said express bowlers aren't bankable,to which I replied that they need quick pitches.

Bruh. You replied to my post about Gurnoor, Akashdeep and co. Nowhere did I claim they were express. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Lee was an extreme exception. And in Tests, only Waugh used him as an enforcer .

 

Johnson was never express throughout his career.  Not even in ODIs. He did not have a consistent action to do that until 2013.

 

If you watch the older ODIs. He's a lot more floaty and some of his deliveries were even in the late 130's. 

 

 

 

The pacers who you are seeing bowling express in T20s will bowl slower in tests and ODIs too. Anyone who can hit 145 k+ on demand in tests is pretty quick and impressive. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

Bumrah still trends to spray it a bit like he did in the World Cup knockouts .  Against NZ , he started bowling full and wide 

 

Shami , since 2023 IPL, has become a ridiculously accurate bowler.  He was giving barely any width and hardly anything was pitched up. 

 

It's some of the best ODI bowling ever by an Indian fast bowler.

 

Bumrah has to be observed in tests in Asia. That is his best format.

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah has to be observed in tests in Asia. That is his best format.

Even then , Shami's accuracy currently is like an Aussie metronome .

 

Bumrah's lines are not that accurate. 

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Even then , Shami's accuracy currently is like an Aussie metronome .

 

Bumrah's lines are not that accurate. 

Bumrah is accurate the issue is his new found love for swing bowling, when he is bowing seam he is not off the line.

He still does not know how to control swing

[MediumPacer]

7 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bruh. You replied to my post about Gurnoor, Akashdeep and co. Nowhere did I claim they were express. 

 

43 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

That's good .  Harshit should be backed in the next ODI series we play. 

 

The long term replacements for Bumrah , Shami and Ishant need to be tried out. 

 

Kuldeep, Akashdeep , now Harshit and I think we have to invest more in Gurnoor Brar. That guy has a lot of potential 

 

Mayank is harder to predict.  Express pacers have rarely proved to be bankers . Even the Aussies haven't found a way to do it. 

 

 

 

I was replying to the highlighted part.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, MediumPacer said:

 

 

I was replying to the highlighted part.

So what you meant was express bowlers will struggle on slow pitches?  

 

Mayank Yadav is bowling on slow pitches right now ?

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Even then , Shami's accuracy currently is like an Aussie metronome .

 

Bumrah's lines are not that accurate. 

 

Bumrah, the fast and bouncy seam bowler from 2017 to 2022, was very accurate.

 

Bumrah, the fastish swing bowler from 2023 to 2024, sometimes messes up his lines like @tapandrun said. Swing bowlers can never be as accurate as a seam bowler because no one knows how much the ball will swing. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

If a t20 bowling line does not have a mystery bowler and/or some one like Malinga/Patirana then here is a generic combination/template that would work in t20 games.

 

1/2 fast bowlers who can take wkt in PP

2 defensive bowers who creates run-rate pressure and other would take wkts or under pressure batter mis hit here or there 

1/2 spinner -(***Leg spin)

1/2 batter who can bowl.

 

This is v.much how Pak t20 bowling is set up. Rajasthan Royals doing the same and DC also tried this last match   

 

So the first objective is to find mystery bowler its a force multiplier - Ind should look for 1 actively  

Edited April 3, 2024 by tapandrun

[MediumPacer]

9 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

So what you meant was express bowlers will struggle on slow pitches?  

 

Mayank Yadav is bowling on slow pitches right now ?

That pitch had grass .Wait till he gets a bare surface like hyderabad or eden and batsmen start to use his pace.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, MediumPacer said:

That pitch had grass .Wait till he gets a bare surface like hyderabad or eden and batsmen start to use his pace.

On a surface like Hyderabad everyone will be tonked...  Only a accurate express pacer may survive a beating somehow. 

Your Mookesh with his low full tosses and Wide line will be clobbered to no end in most conditions. 

This joker got thrashed in SA in T20s...  Lost us the Port Elizabeth T20 single handedly with his buffet bowling. 

[Nikhil_cric]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah, the fast and bouncy seam bowler from 2017 to 2022, was very accurate.

 

Bumrah, the fastish swing bowler from 2023 to 2024, sometimes messes up his lines like @tapandrun said. Swing bowlers can never be as accurate as a seam bowler because no one knows how much the ball will swing. 

 

 

Yes. Bumrah bowled very accurately and looked to hit a length in the first match vs Australia and was brilliant. 

 

But by the end , he was floating it up and was not as impressive. 

 

Siraj was chasing swing the whole World Cup. 

 

I'd rather they just look to hit the deck with tight lines and put pressure on the batters. 

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

That pitch had grass .Wait till he gets a bare surface like hyderabad or eden and batsmen start to use his pace.

 

On a bare Indian surface , what is the most effective pace in your opinion ?

[MediumPacer]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

On a surface like Hyderabad everyone will be tonked...  Only a accurate express pacer may survive a beating somehow. 

Your Mookesh with his low full tosses and Wide line will be clobbered to no end in most conditions. 

This joker got thrashed in SA in T20s...  Lost us the Port Elizabeth T20 single handedly with his buffet bowling. 

I don't advocate for mukesh ,he has his limitations but i don't accept that he is trundler.Yeah he bowls around 130k but many greats have done that.

[Nikhil_cric]

7 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

That pitch had grass .Wait till he gets a bare surface like hyderabad or eden and batsmen start to use his pace.

Even if that surface was bare, it could not have been a slow surface.  You cannot have over 500 runs on a pitch in 40 overs without pace. 

 

It's impossible to hit through the line on a slow surface . 

[MediumPacer]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

On a bare Indian surface , what is the most effective pace in your opinion ?

In t20s it's mostly cutters.

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, MediumPacer said:

In t20s it's mostly cutters.

So, in ODIs , pace will work on these surfaces ?

[MediumPacer]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

Even if that surface was bare, it could not have been a slow surface.  You cannot have over 500 runs on a pitch in 40 overs without pace. 

 

It's impossible to hit through the line on a slow surface . 

 You can play shots on a slow pitch,as you get more time to play shots but need a good bat swing or brute power,but can't just time or punch the ball like on a quick pitch.

[MediumPacer]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

So, in ODIs , pace will work on these surfaces ?

Generally it won't work and batsmen will dominate.Also in Odis batsmen have more overs in hand so cutters are not as effective.