Death overs batting at venues like Chennai

[zen]

We have seen a lot of wkts fall in the death overs at such venues. After more matches on such pitches, scoring quickly, esp. when you have just come to the crease, in the death overs can become more tricky ... Teams would need to fire early on to take max advantage of power plays and middle overs, while trying to get a couple of hits in (relatively controlled approach) per over in the death overs.

 

The SR of the top 3-4 could be gain more importance at such venues. What score should the teams, esp. if batting first, aim for at the 15th-16th overs mark? Discuss. 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

DK just showed it, use range...

Coming n straight n using power game might not be easy as the pitch isnt absolute flat. Last game ABDV n maxwell were set and both have power + range game

[Serpico]

Maybe just have better hitters in lower order  

[Serpico]

What is so different between a 5 over pitch and 15 over pitch? If top order can hit well why can't these lower order batsman repeat that? 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

DK just showed it, use range...

Coming n straight n using power game might not be easy as the pitch isnt absolute flat. Last game ABDV n maxwell were set and both have power + range game

 

Teams have different type of players for e.g. guys like Russell and Morgan rely more on power hitting. Difficult for them to change their approach for a few games.  Teams should ideally have a batting strategy on how they want to approach death overs batting in such conditions 

[zen]

16 minutes ago, Serpico said:

What is so different between a 5 over pitch and 15 over pitch? If top order can hit well why can't these lower order batsman repeat that? 

 

Balls gets relatively softer, pitch slows down at such venues, death over specialist (or those who have bowled well in the game) come in to bowl (so usually no 5th-6th bowlers to cash in), less options to pick and chose the balls to hit (may have to go after good balls as well), ...  

Edited April 11, 2021 by zen

[Serpico]

47 minutes ago, zen said:

Balls gets relatively softer,

How much softer can they get? Do they use different balls for ODIs? 

 

48 minutes ago, zen said:

pitch slows down

In 15 overs? What does that mean for team batting second

 

Usually death over specialists open bowling too and that final reason is true on any pitch for lower order

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Serpico said:

How much softer can they get? Do they use different balls for ODIs? 

 

Usually death over specialists open bowling too and that final reason is true on any pitch for lower order

 

If you watch the game, you would notice the difference ... for e.g. a Bumrah, a Natrajan, etc.  would bowl specific lines at the death including wide yorkers ... also every dot ball or a single can increase the pressure to hit the next ball irrespective of how good or bad it is 

 

 

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In 15 overs? What does that mean for team batting second

 

They would try to have to be ahead of RRR in general

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[Serpico]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

If you watch the game, you would notice the difference ... for e.g. a Bumrah, a Natrajan, etc.  would bowl specific lines at the death including wide yorkers ... also every dot ball or a single can increase the pressure to hit the next ball irrespective of how good or bad it is 

Sure but that's true in every match on every pitch. How does that relate to the original post in this thread

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Sure but that's true in every match on every pitch. How does that relate to the original post in this thread

 

Because of the playing conditions, which help bowlers relatively more as the game progresses, at these venues ... if the pitch remains good to bat on like at many other venues, those being put in a relatively high pressure situations to get going against the odds, have a better chance to succeed ... I do not see the point in stating the obvious

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by zen

[Serpico]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Because of the playing conditions, which helps bowlers relatively more as the game progresses, at these venues ... if the pitch remains good to bat on like at many other venues, those being put in a relatively high pressure situations have a better chance to succeed ... I do not see the point in stating the obvious

Idk man you are just saying the same obvious things. Lower order batsmen will face death over specialists, they will have to go after every ball. Duhh

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

Teams have different type of players for e.g. guys like Russell and Morgan rely more on power hitting. Difficult for them to change their approach for a few games.  Teams should ideally have a batting strategy on how they want to approach death overs batting in such conditions 

dnt change approach make sure they are in a lil early 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

dnt change approach make sure they are in a lil early 

 

that would mean either a change in batting order or the top 3-4 playing more aggressively so both the RR is high and if they get out, these guys get in early 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Idk man you are just saying the same obvious things. Lower order batsmen will face death over specialists, they will have to go after every ball. Duhh

 

"read" the OP

 

"We have seen a lot of wkts fall in the death overs at such venues. After more matches on such pitches, scoring quickly, esp. when you have just come to the crease, in the death overs can become more tricky ... Teams would need to fire early on to take max advantage of power plays and middle overs, while trying to get a couple of hits in (relatively controlled approach) per over in the death overs.

 

The SR of the top 3-4 could be gain more importance at such venues. What score should the teams, esp. if batting first, aim for at the 15th-16th overs mark? Discuss." 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

that would mean either a change in batting order or the top 3-4 playing more aggressively so both the RR is high and if they get out, these guys get in early 

it has to be a change in order coz the best way to hit in last few overs on such pitches is that u need to get use to the pitch or ur sky or DK who can use range and are used to such pitches in domestic

[Serpico]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

read" the OP

Literally nothing to do with the points you added later on. You just explained the tough life of lower order batsman on any kind of pitch

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

it has to be a change in order coz the best way to hit in last few overs on such pitches is that u need to get use to the pitch or ur sky or DK who can use range and are used to such pitches in domestic

 

I did not see the full KKR v SRH game but I though the batting order for KKR was good on paper. Only that Russell and Morgan came in a bit late, where they decided to throw caution to the wind with guys like DK and Sakib still to come, because of the fruitful Rana-Tripathi p'ship. Gill could have played better

 

SRH could have had Bairstow at #3 (if opening with Saha who did well in last IPL) and may sent in someone like Samad at #4 ... Pandey as usual left too much to do in the end 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Literally nothing to do with the points you added later on. You just explained the tough life of lower order batsman on any kind of pitch

 

Yes, life is tough for lower order batsmen and more so on pitches where batting gets difficult to bat on as the game progresses ... so how do we make it easier for them (and therefore the team)? What should be the strategy? Where should teams esp. if batting first aim to be at 15-16th over mark? ... It is not too complicated 

Edited April 11, 2021 by zen

[rkt.india]

37 minutes ago, Serpico said:

How much softer can they get? Do they use different balls for ODIs? 

 

In 15 overs? What does that mean for team batting second

 

Usually death over specialists open bowling too and that final reason is true on any pitch for lower order

In ODIs, teams score 70-90 in 15 overs. In T20, 140+170 like Indian team did against England. So it's like batting 30 overs of ODIs. 

[Serpico]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

In ODIs, teams score 70-90 in 15 overs. In T20, 140+170 like Indian team did against England. So it's like batting 30 overs of ODIs. 

So for an odi team like England, ball goes softer far quicker than for other teams. Interesting. Can teams leverage this by retaining more overs of their strike bowlers for back end?