Mayank Vs Shreyas Iyer for Backup no.4 slot in ODI

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

I remember Nehra & Balaji in the past, both of course were pacers!

Yeah it's weird to see how he easily gets injured..  Only young batsman  I can think who can match him in getting frequently injured is Will Pucvoski.  He is undisputed King of freak injuries.  

[Jay]

28 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Mayank has an issue against moving ball regardless of where he bats. He is no different from Manish Pandey. If anything Manish Pandey has lesser weakness than either of these two players.  Iyer's positive is he can really hit big and produce massive overs. Agarwal has a good range of shots.    I am not sure if he will be good enough for kedar jadhav type of roles.   Outside powerplay we have no clue how he will bat.. Pant has the same issue. Once the field is in and out he struggles to rotate the strike. Relies largely on risky slogs. Despite weakness only resaon I back Iyer is he is more level headed than these guys.

iyer is  100% mentally tough but imo he suits tests not loi.

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

absolute foolishness . On what basis will u drop kohli ?

him being himself? he is a mediocre player now. old prime kohli is finished. khatam. he died.

[Ankit_sharma03]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Mayank has an issue against moving ball regardless of where he bats.

 

and iyer doesnt ??? 

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He is no different from Manish Pandey.

the diff is manish is not a good player of spin and mayank is very good and wc is in India 

 

28 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If anything Manish Pandey has lesser weakness than either of these two players

manish pandey has as much weakness as iyer 

 

29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Iyer's positive is he can really hit big and produce massive overs.

so can mayank n he has done better then iyer in last 2 seasons 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Jay said:

him being himself? he is a mediocre player now. old prime kohli is finished. khatam. he died.

the guy avg around 47 in last 16-17 innings in ODI , if thats finished ....well \

 

 

thats how good a player virat is that even at his dip he is scoring, we all remember how KL dip looked like. When players have their dips they dnt struggle to buy run and this si still virat kohlis runs

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Neither. Mayank is an opener. He has always opened the batting in all forms of the game.

we shud get over this mindset in LOI , KL was an opener too and look at his record at 5 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Neither. Mayank is an opener. He has always opened the batting in all forms of the game.

we shud get over this mindset in LOI , KL was an opener too and look at his record at 5 

 

[Jay]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the guy avg around 47 in last 16-17 innings in ODI , if thats finished ....well \

 

 

thats how good a player virat is that even at his dip he is scoring, we all remember how KL dip looked like. When players have their dips they dnt struggle to buy run and this si still virat kohlis runs

 

 

lel look at the strikerate. I am supposed to be impressed by these scores against meddling mediocre bowling?

let me put it this way. virat at his absolute best. like peak varat crapped the bed vs gun attacks. he has never performed against full strength bowling attacks of SENA in even bilaterals except maybe the n.z series before 2019 WC away from home. 

 

He is a master of stat padding. Thats all he is.

he is beyond useless outside off stump. He is absolutely pathetic in tests but we wont go there now. 

in LOI, he does not have the power game to take it home. its either him or rohit. both shouldnt be playing together. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Jay said:

lel look at the strikerate.

also looks fine in most innings....

no one will ever be at their best but the diff between great ones n others is their dip wud also be better then others best. 

 

Same is with david warner, despite his game going downwards he came to party in recent Wc

1 minute ago, Jay said:

he is beyond useless outside off stump. He is absolutely pathetic in tests but we wont go there now. 

yet he played some tough knocks in SA, Pink ball Aus, england 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Jay said:

lel look at the strikerate.

also looks fine in most innings....

no one will ever be at their best but the diff between great ones n others is their dip wud also be better then others best. 

 

Same is with david warner, despite his game going downwards he came to party in recent Wc

1 minute ago, Jay said:

he is beyond useless outside off stump. He is absolutely pathetic in tests but we wont go there now. 

yet he played some tough knocks in SA, Pink ball Aus, england 

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, Jay said:

iyer is  100% mentally tough but imo he suits tests not loi.

wait till u see him overseas- inswing, outswing , bouncer sab exposa hoga

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, Jay said:

iyer is  100% mentally tough but imo he suits tests not loi.

wait till u see him overseas- inswing, outswing , bouncer sab exposa hoga

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

wait till u see him overseas- inswing, outswing , bouncer sab exposa hoga

lol. yes i know. but cant he learn to duck and weave? he doesnt have to attack balls like he has to in LOI. 

[Jay]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

also looks fine in most innings....

no one will ever be at their best but the diff between great ones n others is their dip wud also be better then others best. 

 

Same is with david warner, despite his game going downwards he came to party in recent Wc

yet he played some tough knocks in SA, Pink ball Aus, england 

what tough knocks in s.africa? when? that one 50 he scored where he wasted so many full tosses and half trackers outside off lel. thats the worst 50 i have ever seen in my life. looked so listless and clueless outside off. he was so afraid to even attempt going for shots outside off. ruined our chances tbh by putting all the pressure on the supporting batsmen by playing slower than pujara. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

lol. yes i know. but cant he learn to duck and weave? he doesnt have to attack balls like he has to in LOI. 

aaj ODI men to hua nhin , problem isnt he gets out attacking...he gets out defending which is why he failed in Aus n twice in SA .

In test it ll get worse coz swing seam will be even bigger problem for him as he plays a lot cross and plays far away from body as well 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Jay said:

what tough knocks in s.africa? when? that one 50 he scored where he wasted so many full tosses and half trackers outside off lel. thats the worst 50 i have ever seen in my life. looked so listless and clueless outside off. he was so afraid to even attempt going for shots outside off. ruined our chances tbh by putting all the pressure on the supporting batsmen by playing slower than pujara. 

Scoring runs in SA is never easy, everyone thinks ppl sitting outside will....u back who now has failed on 2 tours of SA that to just white ball wherea red is far tougher

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and iyer doesnt ??? 

the diff is manish is not a good player of spin and mayank is very good and wc is in India 

 

manish pandey has as much weakness as iyer 

 

so can mayank n he has done better then iyer in last 2 seasons 

 

Except Iyer always played in the middle overs. Mayank never played in the middle order. Too many unknown variables. In NZ Agarwal was an epic flop.  Iyer scored 3 back to back fifties They have played 5 innings together.  Iyer comfortably outperformed Agarwal. For all the negatives Agarwal oscillates between a dominating batsman and utterly mediocre batsman. Nothing in between.

 

 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Scoring runs in SA is never easy, everyone thinks ppl sitting outside will....u back who now has failed on 2 tours of SA that to just white ball wherea red is far tougher

sarfraz, vihari (scored an unbeaten 40 odd in a tough situation), gill (injured), eeshwaran all did well vs S.africa A team. That team had jansen who got smacked around a bit by these guys too. 

 

You pick players who do well in A tours. give them a chance especially where your seniors are duds. 

batting in s.africa isnt difficult if you have a good backfoot game. we lost because of **** batting. strokeless wonders getting favourable selection calls over deserving batsmen. ofcourse injuries dint help. rohit, gill, sundar, jadeja etc. not to mention some A tour guys would have been handy. no need for ashwin who is uesless in SEN.

could have gone with chahar at 8 and thakur at 7. all out pace. 

[Jay]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

aaj ODI men to hua nhin , problem isnt he gets out attacking...he gets out defending which is why he failed in Aus n twice in SA .

In test it ll get worse coz swing seam will be even bigger problem for him as he plays a lot cross and plays far away from body as well 

yea. just have to give him one shot though in A tour atleast. lets see. 

He is very mentally tough. its a pity he is so weak vs bounce.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

yea. just have to give him one shot though in A tour atleast. lets see. 

He is very mentally tough. its a pity he is so weak vs bounce.

where is this mentally tough came from ?? pant has performed in more pressure games then iyer so how come iyer is called mentally tough