Rank them on 10 in Test Cricket

[Jay]

Just now, kohli said:

In 2018 series steyn played only 1 test and didn’t bowl in 2nd innings due to injury.in 1st innings kohli scored less than 10 run.from 2nd test sa attack was rabada, philender, nagdi & morkel. Morkal & philender was good bowler & nagdi is avg only rabada is a atg.

Ngidi literally has better numbers in s.africa than even rabada rofl. He is dam good in south africa. 

[Jay]

6 hours ago, Adamant said:

Kohli highscoring in a series on deadly pitches in SA against probably the second greatest pace bowling attack ever assembled tells us the level at which he operated. 

Rabada, Philander, Ngidi, Steyn, Morkel - that's serious heat. 

 

Sorry but Rahul Dravid was never good against great pace attacks, but he was terrific against medium pacers and swing. 

If only Kohli has one more peak, he will easily surpass Rahul Dravid. 

Second? Greatest? They were very good but Indian attack numero uno since 2015. 

They are number 3 or 2. Around Aussie attack level. 

[Jay]

Let's be honest none of these players are true ATGs. We are like the 5th best ATG side in history.only better than parkis. Let's not overrate our sooperstars. Our batsmen are so overrated. All of them. Cost us so many matches including greats like tenda. 

 

 

 

 

[kohli]

Kohli also scored lot of run against Cummins less Australia.can someone post kohli average against Australia with Cummins & against NZ with jamieson ?

[Adamant]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

That is a pretty low average as per Kohli's standards. Thought it would be 45+ atleast because the likes of Gavaskar, Tendulkar and Dravid have it 50+.

Comparison across eras are usually pointless, Dravid played in an era known for flat tracks in test cricket. 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Second? Greatest? They were very good but Indian attack numero uno since 2015. 

They are number 3 or 2. Around Aussie attack level. 

Nahi bro. 

Steyn is better than any bowler we ever had

Rabada averages 22 and is well on his way to ATG status. 

Morkel as good as Shami (pls don't debate on it without seeing stats in different countries) 

Ngidi definitely better or as good as   Ishant. 

Philander >>>>>>>>>Bhuvi 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, kohli said:

Kohli also scored lot of run against Cummins less Australia.can someone post kohli average against Australia with Cummins & against NZ with jamieson ?

Kohli scored a century in Perth against Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood on a pitch with deadly bounce. 

Please revisit that. 

Another 80 odd in the next match at MCG. 

Similarly, he was the only batsman to stand up when in the infamous 36 match

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Let's be honest none of these players are true ATGs. We are like the 5th best ATG side in history.only better than parkis. Let's not overrate our sooperstars. Our batsmen are so overrated. All of them. Cost us so many matches including greats like tenda. 

 

 

 

 

Our ATG test team is nowhere near Pakistan. 

Bitter pill to swallow, but it is what it is. 

 

And the margin is not small it's too big. 

 

They have 3 ATG fast bowlers with one more borderline ATG

Also one GOAT contender allrounder and the best ASIAN cricketer. 

 

We only have batsman, our best bowler is Bumrah who has played 25 odd matches so can hardly be called a great. 

[Adamant]

Atg teams ranking

 

1.Australia (Bradman factor) 

2.Windies (Sobers) 

3.SouthAfrica

4. Pakistan

5.England

6.India

7.Newzealand

8.SriLanka

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Our ATG test team is nowhere near Pakistan. 

Bitter pill to swallow, but it is what it is. 

 

And the margin is not small it's too big. 

 

They have 3 ATG fast bowlers with one more borderline ATG

Also one GOAT contender allrounder and the best ASIAN cricketer. 

 

We only have batsman, our best bowler is Bumrah who has played 25 odd matches so can hardly be called a great. 

India XI :

 

Gavaskar ( ATG)

Sehwag ( Borderline ATG)

Dravid ( ATG)

Tendulkar ( ATG)

Kohli( ATG)

Pant(wkt)( Potential ATG )

Dev( ATG)

Ashwin( Borderline ATG)

Kumble ( Borderline ATG)

Shami( Very Good)

Bumrah( ATG)

 

6 ATGs, 3 Borderline ATGs, 1 potential ATG.

 

Pakistan

 

Anwar( Great)

Majid Khan/Azhar( Very good)

Younis( Borderline ATG)

Miandad( ATG)

Inzamam ( Borderline ATG)

Rizwan(wkt)( Potential Great)

Imran( ATG)

Wasim( ATG)

Waqar ( ATG)

Saqlain( Great)

Shoaib(Borderline ATG)

 

5 ATGs, 3 Borderline ATG.

 

 

Edited March 11, 2022 by Majestic

[Adamant]

26 minutes ago, Majestic said:

India XI :

 

Gavaskar ( ATG)

Sehwag ( Borderline ATG)

Dravid ( ATG)

Tendulkar ( ATG)

Kohli( ATG)

Pant(wkt)( Potential ATG )

Dev( ATG)

Ashwin( Borderline ATG)

Kumble ( Borderline ATG)

Shami( Very Good)

Bumrah( ATG)

 

6 ATGs, 3 Borderline ATGs, 1 potential ATG.

 

Pakistan

 

Anwar( Great)

Majid Khan/Azhar( Very good)

Younis( Borderline ATG)

Miandad( ATG)

Inzamam ( Borderline ATG)

Rizwan(wkt)( Potential Great)

Imran( ATG)

Wasim( ATG)

Waqar ( ATG)

Saqlain( Great)

Shoaib(Borderline ATG)

 

5 ATGs, 3 Borderline ATG.

 

 

Filling our team with ATG batsman won't help if we don't have ATG bowlers. 

As simple as that, the reason why Kohli's team won more than Ganguly is simply because he had a better pace attack even though the batting attack was ordinary. 

 

Pakistan has 3 ATG pacers - Imran, Wasim, Waqar

And 2 borderline ATG pacers - Fazal, Shoaib. 

 

We have 0 ATG pacers and 0 borderline ATG pacers, that pretty much sums it up. Also Bumrah isn't an ATG, the sample size is too low, if Bunrah is an atg then so is Asif. 

 

Saaed Anwar

Haneef Mohammad

Younis Khan

Miandad

Inzamam

Rizwan

Imran

Wasim

Saqlain

Shoaib

Waqar. 

 

 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Nahi bro. 

Steyn is better than any bowler we ever had

Rabada averages 22 and is well on his way to ATG status. 

Morkel as good as Shami (pls don't debate on it without seeing stats in different countries) 

Ngidi definitely better or as good as   Ishant. 

Philander >>>>>>>>>Bhuvi 

Stats based on 2015-2021 suggest otherwise. They play in s.africa. much easier to stat pad over there. Not easy to do so in India. The great rabada averages 45 in India. Morkel 35 plus. Philtrundler chewtiya is a number 1 fraud. Useless in Asia. In India averages t0 plus. I do t rate this attack as better than ours. It's not as complete. 

 

Steyn is great yes but he dint do all that well when india dished out pattas. He did well when the conditions were conducive to swing. 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Our ATG test team is nowhere near Pakistan. 

Bitter pill to swallow, but it is what it is. 

 

And the margin is not small it's too big. 

 

They have 3 ATG fast bowlers with one more borderline ATG

Also one GOAT contender allrounder and the best ASIAN cricketer. 

 

We only have batsman, our best bowler is Bumrah who has played 25 odd matches so can hardly be called a great. 

Is that so? Is this taking into account all cheating allegations no drs etc. Let's be honest Pakistani did * all in Australia and s Africa. They are not good enough. 

[Majestic]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

Stats based on 2015-2021 suggest otherwise. They play in s.africa. much easier to stat pad over there. Not easy to do so in India. The great rabada averages 45 in India. Morkel 35 plus. Philtrundler chewtiya is a number 1 fraud. Useless in Asia. In India averages t0 plus. I do t rate this attack as better than ours. It's not as complete. 

 

Steyn is great yes but he dint do all that well when india dished out pattas. He did well when the conditions were conducive to swing. 

 

 

[Adamant]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

Stats based on 2015-2021 suggest otherwise. They play in s.africa. much easier to stat pad over there. Not easy to do so in India. The great rabada averages 45 in India. Morkel 35 plus. Philtrundler chewtiya is a number 1 fraud. Useless in Asia. In India averages t0 plus. I do t rate this attack as better than ours. It's not as complete. 

 

Steyn is great yes but he dint do all that well when india dished out pattas. He did well when the conditions were conducive to swing. 

Steyn's most memorable performance was in Nagpur on a dusty track. 

 

Secondly Rabada averages 40 in India but 23 in Srl so it's not that he has completely flopped in Asia. 

 

Also what's with this selective filter, why not pick their performances in Nz or Sa or Eng where Shami averages 40+.

 

Philander was definitely no ATG but he has a terrific record in :

SA

Eng

Aus

UAE

Nz

 

Only in Ind and SL he has a bad record so whether you rate him or not hardly matters, his performance is there for all to see. 

 

For example Shami has a worse revord than Phiander in 

Eng

Nz

Aus

Sa

Thats four prominent countries. 

 

I would definitely pick Philander over Shami as he has a better all round record. 

 

 

[Adamant]

As for Morkel vs Shami, go and check their records ib different countries and then come back, at best both of them can be considered equally good. 

[kohli]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Steyn's most memorable performance was in Nagpur on a dusty track. 

 

Secondly Rabada averages 40 in India but 23 in Srl so it's not that he has completely flopped in Asia. 

 

Also what's with this selective filter, why not pick their performances in Nz or Sa or Eng where Shami averages 40+.

 

Philander was definitely no ATG but he has a terrific record in :

SA

Eng

Aus

UAE

Nz

 

Only in Ind and SL he has a bad record so whether you rate him or not hardly matters, his performance is there for all to see. 

 

For example Shami has a worse revord than Phiander in 

Eng

Nz

Aus

Sa

Thats four prominent countries. 

 

I would definitely pick Philander over Shami as he has a better all round record. 

 

 

Lol philender has total 16 wickets in 10 test in asia. Even hardik can bowl better than him in asia 

[Chakdephatte]

@Majestic, who decides who is an ATG and who is not? And why does that matter. If anyone makes it to a nation's all time XI, he is an ATG.

 

Sehwag was the most feared batsman of his era (maybe Lara but he was not equally aggressive). A sureshot ATG irrespective of his numbers. Don't think Shoaib should be considered one, but again, who decides it?

Edited March 11, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Majestic]

2 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

@Majestic, who decides who is an ATG and who is not? And why does that matter. If anyone makes it to a nation's all time XI, he is an ATG.

 

Sehwag was the most feared batsman of his era (maybe Lara but he was not equally aggressive). A sureshot ATG irrespective of his numbers. Don't think Shoaib should be considered one, but again, who decides it?

I am the one who decides it.

Edited March 11, 2022 by Majestic

[Jay]

11 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Steyn's most memorable performance was in Nagpur on a dusty track. 

 

Secondly Rabada averages 40 in India but 23 in Srl so it's not that he has completely flopped in Asia. 

 

Also what's with this selective filter, why not pick their performances in Nz or Sa or Eng where Shami averages 40+.

 

Philander was definitely no ATG but he has a terrific record in :

SA

Eng

Aus

UAE

Nz

 

Only in Ind and SL he has a bad record so whether you rate him or not hardly matters, his performance is there for all to see. 

 

For example Shami has a worse revord than Phiander in 

Eng

Nz

Aus

Sa

Thats four prominent countries. 

 

I would definitely pick Philander over Shami as he has a better all round record. 

 

 

Only a moron would pick philtrundler over shami in any country not named south africa and England. S.africa got lucky a few times they faced a much weaker Aussie side that made philtrundler look better than he is. Had useless guys like nevill, Jackson bird etc playing. No Cummins etc. In Asia means India and pakistam. Lanka don't matter. Rabada flopped in India badly and he flopped in u.a.e too. He is a great bowler but he flopped like a fat guy trying to bend down and touch his toes. 

 

Bumrah is as good as steyn. 

Bumrah shami ishant prime and now siraj is as good as any attack. Best since 2015. Indias pace attack I.e. pace. You know pace? Not phasst like Pakistan phasst. Pace attack. Complete attack. 

 

Like I said those saffer bowlers have an advantage cause they play on bouncy seaming conditions of s.africa. Indian bowlers have to toil hard in dead tracks. Many average bowlers have low average in s.africa domestic league. Let's not overrate them and underrate indias potent attack. We were just captianed by a loser who cost us many games with his bozo esque selections and his poor batting ability in crunch situations. *ing csnt even  chase 200 odd batting last rofl. Can't wait till he *s off.