Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: no u havent if you did and still have comeup with statements like wagner koi bowler hai , shaheen afridi koi bowler hai Kohli ,smith koi batsman hai Spinners kis kaam ke Aisi club cricket pe bhi laanat hai That's my personal opinion. Did I say Wagner koi bowler nahi hai rofl? I said he is very good but he is one dimensional. Shahen is only good with new balm Kohli sucks. I dont need to prove to you if I have played or not. I have played pretty high level grade cricket in Queensland. And * off. I said Smith is the best ever. Wtf you talking about. I dislike the fraud I.e. kohli. When the couch potatoes actually play red ball then they can open their trap. Otherwise they can shut it. Edited August 6, 2022 by Jay Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: That's my personal opinion. Did I say Wagner koi bowler nahi hai rofl? Didnt u call wagner a trundler ? 9 hours ago, Jay said: I said he is very good but he is one dimensional. Shahen is only good with new balm Kohli sucks. I dont need to prove to you if I have played or not. I have played pretty high level grade cricket in Queensland. And * off. I said Smith is the best ever. Wtf you talking about. I dislike the fraud I.e. kohli. When the couch potatoes actually play red ball then they can open their trap. Otherwise they can shut it. a man who has 20k+ runs and 71-100s sucks Yea man prove it how can u be so dumb then Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) @vvvslaxman- what are the venues for both clashes ? SA is perth right ? Edited August 6, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Didnt u call wagner a trundler ? a man who has 20k+ runs and 71-100s sucks Yea man prove it how can u be so dumb then Stop living in the past dude. He is past it. Washed up. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: Stop living in the past dude. He is past it. Washed up. dont give me enough ammunition to troll u once he hits the form and which will happen 100% khod khod ke nikalunga ek ek mssg Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: Did I say Wagner koi bowler nahi hai rofl? I said he is very good but he is one dimensional. this is what i mean club cricket has no point of discussion when Wagner easily adapts to different conditions , one dimensional bowlers dont. Adaptivity is in itself a skill , he may not swing like boult but he can move it enough to trouble anyone yea yea one dimension bowler who just can bowl short balls Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Didnt u call wagner a trundler ? a man who has 20k+ runs and 71-100s sucks Yea man prove it how can u be so dumb then Stop living in the past dude. He is past it. Washed up. Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: dont give me enough ammunition to troll u once he hits the form and which will happen 100% khod khod ke nikalunga ek ek mssg Please. Go ahead. Come at me. I don't care. I highly doubt it. Let's go bro. Write this down. He is finished in red ball. He is finished in odi too. I don't care about t20. Edited August 6, 2022 by Jay Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: this is what i mean club cricket has no point of discussion when Wagner easily adapts to different conditions , one dimensional bowlers dont. Adaptivity is in itself a skill , he may not swing like boult but he can move it enough to trouble anyone yea yea one dimension bowler who just can bowl short balls Oh what's his average in India? What about Pakistan? He is 100% one dimensional. He doesn't have a complete skillet. Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: this is what i mean club cricket has no point of discussion when Wagner easily adapts to different conditions , one dimensional bowlers dont. Adaptivity is in itself a skill , he may not swing like boult but he can move it enough to trouble anyone yea yea one dimension bowler who just can bowl short balls Complete bowlers need to be good everywhere. He isn't. Reason why I don't rate starc either. He is cannon fodder in some conditions. Even hazlewood has a poor record in many places. Cummins bumrah are complete bowlers. Rabada too. Rabada btw does have a poor record in India and a couple of other places. Not so great in England either. Edited August 6, 2022 by Jay Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jay said: Complete bowlers need to be good everywhere. He isn't. Reason why I don't rate starc either. He is cannon fodder in some conditions. Even hazlewood has a poor record in many places. Cummins bumrah are complete bowlers. Rabada too. Rabada btw does have a poor record in India and a couple of other places. Not so great in England either. So your judgement it is based on his record, which you searched sitting on your couch, like an armchair expert? Earliest you were talking about playing for Queensland, which makes you better than stat-crunchers. Now, you are doing the same. Lord 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: @vvvslaxman- what are the venues for both clashes ? SA is perth right ? SA at perth.pakistan MCG Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: Oh what's his average in India? What about Pakistan? ur assumption is on what 2-2 games ??? 9 hours ago, Jay said: He is 100% one dimensional. He doesn't have a complete skillet. what are dravid numbers in SA n SL ?? does that make him one dimensional ??? IF so which dimension coz both are very different conditions Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: SA at perth.pakistan MCG MCG has spungy bounce so Rauf can be dangerous but so can thakur, Hardik pandya, Umran on be on such pitches (although 2 wont go) Huge ground- running will be the key If we get bat 1st - have a decent total and keep pressure it ll be tough to ge through our death bowling. They ll loose in those overs unless target is just 140 Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: MCG has spungy bounce so Rauf can be dangerous but so can thakur, Hardik pandya, Umran on be on such pitches (although 2 wont go). Spongy means? 3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: @vvvslaxman- what are the venues for both clashes ? SA is perth right ? Do you have a list of dimensions for major grounds? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chakdephatte said: Spongy means? tennis ball bounce , thats why i took all those names above since they bowl lengths which arent easy to play on such pitches . Ground lengths will come in handy for Harshal .Timing itna easy nahin hoga , running between wkts become very crucial here Edited August 6, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Chakdephatte said: So your judgement it is based on his record, which you searched sitting on your couch, like an armchair expert? Earliest you were talking about playing for Queensland, which makes you better than stat-crunchers. Now, you are doing the same. Difference is I have actually played red ball at a pretty high level. Those arm chair quarterbacks like you haven't. I dont just Jude based on stats. I look at ability. I can discern their ability because I have experience playing with red ball. Link to comment
Jay Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ur assumption is on what 2-2 games ??? what are dravid numbers in SA n SL ?? does that make him one dimensional ??? IF so which dimension coz both are very different conditions Dravid was a bit suspect vs bounce. It's true. That's why I can't put him amongst the best ever like kalis. Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 44 minutes ago, Jay said: I dont just Jude based on stats. You just did. In the post I replied to. 44 minutes ago, Jay said: I look at ability. You can't. That needs some sharp eye. That's why you call Bumrah Chukrah, and every Pakistani bowler is automatically a chucker. You hype up every second bowler you see, and opinion is valid for split seconds only. 44 minutes ago, Jay said: Difference is I have actually played red ball at a pretty high level. Those arm chair quarterbacks like you haven't. Ummm, personal attack. Wow, how easily can one be offended? Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: I am a stat buff. One of the reason i like cricket is due to stats. Yes it hides half the truth. But there are some analytics that are helpful in your development as a player. They don't necessarily hide the truth. For example, observation (general) tells you SKY is a great player of spin. But stats tell you he is a great player of other three kinds of spin but cannot tackle SLA. Edited August 6, 2022 by Chakdephatte Link to comment
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