360 game is mandatory

[Vk1]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Next, every pace bowler should bowl like Malcolm Marshall, the 360 degrees equivalent of pace bowler!

 

PS And looks like in form Chris Gayles, Russells, etc., are out of favor for a relative lack of 360 degrees game. 

name one Indian batsman ( Yusuf ? ) who has that physical presence.. those guys green, watson, david etc can easily muscle the ball with brute power.. since we don't do that we got to have 360 players.. also having 360 game alone doesn't make you a great player.. its a necessary but not sufficient condition

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

name one Indian batsman ( Yusuf ? ) who has that physical presence.. those guys green, watson, david etc can easily muscle the ball with brute power.. since we don't do that we got to have 360 players.. also having 360 game alone doesn't make you a great player.. its a necessary but not sufficient condition

What has physical presence got to do with the ability to score runs using method that works for them.  Yuvi, Dhoni, etc., are known to get big hits in. 
 

On the other hand, we have had very few good players of 360 degrees including internationally (Buttler, Maxwell, & SKY, along with DK to a certain extent). Pant has potential but could do better. 
 

Yes, any additional tool including the ability to play 360 helps but “mandatory”, nope.

 

I would let the batsman figure out his strengths & weaknesses, tailor his game accordingly. If he develops more tools, great!

[Vk1]

Just now, zen said:

What has physical presence got to do with the ability to score runs using method that works for them.  Yuvi, Dhoni, etc., are known to get big hits in. 
 

On the other hand, we have had very few good players of 360 degrees including internationally (Buttler, Maxwell, & SKY, along with DK to a certain extent). Pant has potential but could do better. 
 

Yes, any additional tool including the ability to play 360 helps but “mandatory”, nope.

 

I would let the batsman figure out his strengths & weaknesses, tailor his game accordingly. If he develops more tools, great!

 

has Dhoni ever performed in T20Is? Yuvraj was once in a gen exceptional player.. 360 game is even more prudent in toss dependent pitches where traditional hitting is not easy.. I strongly believe that 360 game is the future..  teams with 360 or bulky batsman have advantage.. in next few years we might see 300 being scored on flat pitches 

[zen]

52 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

 

has Dhoni ever performed in T20Is? Yuvraj was once in a gen exceptional player.. 360 game is even more prudent in toss dependent pitches where traditional hitting is not easy.. I strongly believe that 360 game is the future..  teams with 360 or bulky batsman have advantage.. in next few years we might see 300 being scored on flat pitches 

Most players who play for Ind are top talents. They have been hitting boundaries in T20s (IPL or international) since time immemorial!

360 degrees game has its limitations too where a batsman may pick a false shot going for a gap purposely kept to tempt a false shot.  In death overs, if bowlers ball wide yorkers, again it presents its challenges.  Versus spin, 360 degrees can work better as yorkers, wide yorkers, and bouncers are usually out of the equation, but spinners don’t bowl much at the death. 

 

As I said, if a batsman adds more tools, great for him. “Mandatory”, nope. 
 

 

PS just to be clear, 360 degrees game implies the ability to manipulate the field to utilize gaps … Normally, if a ball is bowled full, batsmen will hit it straight. If it is bowled short, they will hook, cut, or pull. If bowled on offside or legside, they will hit in the respective area … 360 degrees game is when for e.g. a ball meant to be hit on the offside (field set for it) is manipulated to hit on the legside. A ball meant to be hit in the front of the stumps is manipulated to go behind the stumps, and so on. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by zen

[zen]

Reading this thread, may be need to understand more about 360 degrees batting (If a batsman has hit shots all over the ground but without accounting for where the balls could have been bowled is not necessarily 360 batting). 360 degrees as mentioned earlier is about manipulating field to find gaps, where if a field is set for a certain type of ball, the batsman is able to hit it in a different or even "unexpected" area. 360 degrees can be difficult to execute against yorkers, wide yorkers, bouncers, etc. as usually a batsman would only be able to hit in the areas where the field is set for that ball. Works more against spin (as wide yorkers, yorkers, and bouncers are usually out of equation) where you can reverse sweep, switch hit, etc. Usually, if a batsman has the ability to play multiple shots on the same ball, it can be seen as a sign of good 360 degrees batting ability as the batsman can exploit gaps by utilizing the least protected areas of the field. 

 

360 degrees game can have various degrees to it ranging from reverse sweeps, switch hits, to walking across the stumps to target gaps (or get the ball in the slot). Most batsmen would utilize some of these elements at some point. 

 

In team Ind, most batsman can manipulate the field to a certain degree. SKY is probably the most accomplished example. Others (to varying degrees) include DK, KL (usually you may see it once he is set), Pant, and even Sir Don (whose has added a few elements to his batting). For e.g. in the last game on a couple of wide yorkers/full balls outside the off stump (field manipulation):

 

 

Below the field behind the stumps is up for the wide yorker. Instead of attempting a big hit on the front of the wkt on the off side (difficult to hit such a wide ball on the leg side), he delicately opens the bat to guide the ball in the gap behind the stumps (field set for the stroke to be played in front of the wkt): 

 

 

 

 

Earlier to a wide yorker, he moved to the off-side to take a ball wide outside to hit it for a 6 on the leg side. Normally, that ball would be played on the off-side considering how wide it would be if playing it from the normal batting position. 

 

 

Nothing to add about SKY and DK has they constantly display such manipulation. 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by zen

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, zen said:

Reading this thread, may be need to understand more about 360 degrees batting (If a batsman has hit shots all over the ground but without accounting for where the balls could have been bowled is not necessarily 360 batting). 360 degrees as mentioned earlier is about manipulating field to find gaps, where if a field is set for a certain type of ball, the batsman is able to hit it in a different or even "unexpected" area. 360 degrees can be difficult to execute against yorkers, wide yorkers, bouncers, etc. as usually a batsman would only be able to hit in the areas where the field is set for that ball. Works more against spin (as wide yorkers, yorkers, and bouncers are usually out of equation) where you can reverse sweep, switch hit, etc. Usually, if a batsman has the ability to play multiple shots on the same ball, it can be seen as a sign of good 360 degrees batting ability as the batsman can exploit gaps by utilizing the least protected areas of the field. 

 

360 degrees game can have various degrees to it ranging from reverse sweeps, switch hits, to walking across the stumps to target gaps (or get the ball in the slot). Most batsmen would utilize some of these elements at some point. 

 

In team Ind, most batsman can manipulate the field to a certain degree. SKY is probably the most accomplished example. Others (to varying degrees) include DK, KL (usually you may see it once he is set), Pant, and even Sir Don (whose has added a few elements to his batting). For e.g. in the last game on a couple of wide yorkers/full balls outside the off stump (field manipulation):

 

 

Below the field behind the stumps is up for the wide yorker. Instead of attempting a big hit on the front of the wkt on the off side (difficult to hit such a wide ball on the leg side), he delicately opens the bat to guide the ball in the gap behind the stumps (field set for the stroke to be played in front of the wkt): 

 

 

 

 

Earlier to a wide yorker, he moved to the off-side to take a ball wide outside to hit it for a 6 on the leg side. Normally, that ball would be played on the off-side considering how wide it would be if playing it from the normal batting position. 

 

 

Nothing to add about SKY and DK has they constantly display such manipulation. 

 

 

Deviliars used to consistently hit sixes over midwicket on the balls pitched wide outside off.