deathmonger Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, putrevus said: Naveed UL hassan who was MOS in odis in 2004.Last I check was their bowler. Batting was the reason for that ODI loss. Batting collpased under pressure again of that too Afridi to lose test in Banglore. Pakistan had no business of drawing that test series or win odi series. 2005 series not 04. 04 we won both. Naveed was a decent ODI bowler. Same level or better than most of our mids 00s bowlers. Thing is we never really had truly great bowlers in either format until this decade. India's successes were all batsmen led with good performance from goodish bowlers. Someone like Umesh Yadav would have been a mainstay in pre 2010s teams - would prolly have been a lead pacer. But in the 2010s he has mostly been a backup. Tests - Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Shami plus some Bhuvi, Siraj, Axar, Umesh, Ishant etc ODIs - Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Chahal Link to comment
bones Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said: Nothing to counter I take it... this is not Peepee where you take MIGando's words as gospel. I am going to place you on ignore. Life is too short to be spent trading with trolls. Link to comment
Norman Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, bones said: Pakistan's full strength first team wouldn't be too far off India in any of the formats Lol... Paxtan will be spanked left, right and centre in ODIs and Tests , no matter what team they play and where they play. Only in T20s it is somewhat close due to the fluky format. sugumarrising and Dil Dil India 1 1 Link to comment
Dil Dil India Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, bones said: I am going to place you on ignore. Life is too short to be spent trading with trolls. My absolute privilege. You seem to have put your brain on ignore anyway. Link to comment
Dil Dil India Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Norman said: Lol... Paxtan will be spanked left, right and centre in ODIs and Tests , no matter what team they play and where they play. Only in T20s it is somewhat close due to the fluky format. Delusions of grandeur from neighbours really. Last 5 ODIs since CT final have been one sided thrashings. Link to comment
deathmonger Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said: Delusions of grandeur from neighbours really. Last 5 ODIs since CT final have been one sided thrashings. Their life will be spent getting painful reality checks. A lot of hot air from a country with a smaller GDP then Gujarat. Link to comment
NameGoesHere Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 59 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said: ….MIGando's … I literally spat out my coffee Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) For the last 20 + years - we have been a consistently stronger than Pak. For the last 10+ years W/L ratio overall Overall figures Team Span Mat Wonhttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif Lost Tied Draw NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2011-2023 596 366 182 9 24 15 2.010 36.36 4.65 686 759 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif England 2011-2023 551 280 219 6 29 17 1.278 32.59 4.36 681 710 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Australia 2011-2023 509 277 193 3 23 13 1.435 33.85 4.46 615 662 47 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Pakistan 2011-2023 520 274 212 5 17 12 1.292 31.57 4.35 603 628 49 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif South Africa 2011-2023 456 251 174 2 17 12 1.442 33.22 4.50 536 637 73 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif New Zealand 2011-2023 480 247 185 9 22 17 1.335 32.60 4.57 554 715 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Sri Lanka 2011-2023 553 225 280 6 25 17 0.803 28.78 4.28 653 730 43 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif West Indies 2011-2023 491 178 269 7 20 17 0.661 26.95 4.21 579 648 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Bangladesh 2011-2023 401 161 217 0 12 11 0.741 27.53 4.49 462 638 43 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Afghanistan 2011-2023 260 140 112 2 0 5 1.250 25.64 5.35 266 545 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Ireland 2011-2023 282 107 155 4 0 16 0.690 24.93 5.50 280 492 38 Had we played Pak regularly for the last 10 years, Pak would have been beaten dead. Pakistan is a minnow+ team and the difference with India will only widen as our cricketing structures and talent is far far superior to theirs In SENA + India + Pakistan inter-contests since 2010 ---Pak is a minnow as the below statistic shows. https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=win_loss_ratio;spanmax2=31+Dec+2023;spanmin2=01+Jan+2010;spanval2=span;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=5;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw NR W/Lhttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2010-2023 365 188 145 6 17 9 1.296 33.75 4.33 446 759 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Australia 2010-2023 399 205 163 2 20 9 1.257 33.64 4.33 499 662 47 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif England 2010-2023 414 203 173 5 23 10 1.173 31.84 4.24 522 710 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif South Africa 2010-2023 317 150 143 0 16 8 1.048 32.04 4.27 384 637 79 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif New Zealand 2010-2023 310 113 161 7 20 9 0.701 29.00 4.37 368 690 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Pakistan 2010-2023 311 108 182 2 12 7 0.593 27.92 4.23 370 579 49 Edited November 3, 2023 by rangeelaraja Link to comment
rish Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 I believe that 18-19 wins for Pak came in Sharjah during 80s. I remember India dutifully showing up on Friday and getting beaten. Pak also had "bottle openers" and that great neutral umpire Shakoor Rana whose fingers started pointing upward as soon as the ball as much as touched an Indian batsman's body. sugumarrising 1 Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: For the last 20 + years - we have been a consistently stronger than Pak. For the last 10+ years W/L ratio overall Overall figures Team Span Mat Wonhttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif Lost Tied Draw NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2011-2023 596 366 182 9 24 15 2.010 36.36 4.65 686 759 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif England 2011-2023 551 280 219 6 29 17 1.278 32.59 4.36 681 710 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Australia 2011-2023 509 277 193 3 23 13 1.435 33.85 4.46 615 662 47 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Pakistan 2011-2023 520 274 212 5 17 12 1.292 31.57 4.35 603 628 49 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif South Africa 2011-2023 456 251 174 2 17 12 1.442 33.22 4.50 536 637 73 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif New Zealand 2011-2023 480 247 185 9 22 17 1.335 32.60 4.57 554 715 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Sri Lanka 2011-2023 553 225 280 6 25 17 0.803 28.78 4.28 653 730 43 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif West Indies 2011-2023 491 178 269 7 20 17 0.661 26.95 4.21 579 648 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Bangladesh 2011-2023 401 161 217 0 12 11 0.741 27.53 4.49 462 638 43 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Afghanistan 2011-2023 260 140 112 2 0 5 1.250 25.64 5.35 266 545 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Ireland 2011-2023 282 107 155 4 0 16 0.690 24.93 5.50 280 492 38 Had we played Pak regularly for the last 10 years, Pak would have been beaten dead. Pakistan is a minnow+ team and the difference with India will only widen as our cricketing structures and talent is far far superior to theirs In SENA + India + Pakistan inter-contests since 2010 ---Pak is a minnow as the below statistic shows. https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=win_loss_ratio;spanmax2=31+Dec+2023;spanmin2=01+Jan+2010;spanval2=span;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=5;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw NR W/Lhttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2010-2023 365 188 145 6 17 9 1.296 33.75 4.33 446 759 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Australia 2010-2023 399 205 163 2 20 9 1.257 33.64 4.33 499 662 47 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif England 2010-2023 414 203 173 5 23 10 1.173 31.84 4.24 522 710 58 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif South Africa 2010-2023 317 150 143 0 16 8 1.048 32.04 4.27 384 637 79 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif New Zealand 2010-2023 310 113 161 7 20 9 0.701 29.00 4.37 368 690 45 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif Pakistan 2010-2023 311 108 182 2 12 7 0.593 27.92 4.23 370 579 49 I’ve heard this a lot. 1. India too avoided Pakistan when they were at their best. 2. matches are won on the ground and on the day. You cannot assume. The last ODI series “aane do” series in 2012 India were favorites but lost the series anyway. Similarly, India went as underdogs in 1992, 1996, and 1999 WC matches against Pak but still beat them. So you cannot assume outcomes. You have to beat the opponent on the ground for it to count. 3. You may have been right from 2013-2019, Pak was middling. But right now, there is not that much of a difference when the whole Pak team is fit and in form, although on current from, India is better. Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: I’ve heard this a lot. 1. India too avoided Pakistan when they were at their best. 2. matches are won on the ground and on the day. You cannot assume. The last ODI series “aane do” series in 2012 India were favorites but lost the series anyway. Similarly, India went as underdogs in 1992, 1996, and 1999 WC matches against Pak but still beat them. So you cannot assume outcomes. You have to beat the opponent on the ground for it to count. 3. You may have been right from 2013-2019, Pak was middling. But right now, there is not that much of a difference when the whole Pak team is fit and in form, although on current from, India is better. I cannot help it if you brain can only digest the stupidity you are fed. India only avoided Sharjah in the 90s because of the match fixing mafia and underworld there. India is also avoiding Pakistan like plague now ( inspite being leagues and leagues ahead of the Pak team) - because of Pak’s role as a terror sponsoring country that has almost perpetually been under FATF list. A country that claimed to fight war on terror while hiding OBL and his ilk. We don't want a terror sponsoring country that has caused death of 1000s of Indians to benefit financially by playing India in a bilateral series. India's avoiding Pakistan is based on principals, not how good or bad the team is. You are a third rate team compared to India over the last 10-15 years and stats prove it comprehensively. India has the best W/L ratio by far in any form of the game compared to other teams over the last 10-15 years. Pak is not even in the top 5 -which are ( India, Aus, Eng, RSA, NZ ) India has won 4 back to back test series against Australia -which includes winning 2 back to back test series in Australia. When was the Pak even won a test match in Australia ? Your team is so third grade that I remember Ian chappell once saying that Pak is a waste of time and should not even be invited to Australia. https://tribune.com.pk/story/1288343/ian-chappell-tells-pakistan-improve-cricket-stay-home The sooner you realize where you truly and honestly stand vs. India in cricket or all walks of life- the better it would be. Edited November 3, 2023 by rangeelaraja Norman and sugumarrising 2 Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said: I cannot help it if you brain can only digest the stupidity you are fed. India only avoided Sharjah in the 90s because of the match fixing mafia and underworld there. India is also avoiding Pakistan like plague now ( inspite being leagues and leagues ahead of the Pak team) - because of Pak’s role as a terror sponsoring country that has almost perpetually been under FATF list. A country that claimed to fight war on terror while hiding OBL and his ilk. We don't want a terror sponsoring country that has caused death of 1000s of Indians to benefit financially by playing India in a bilateral series. India's avoiding Pakistan is based on principals, not how good or bad the team is. You are a third rate team compared to India over the last 10-15 years and stats prove it comprehensively. India has the best W/L ratio by far in any form of the game compared to other teams over the last 10-15 years. Pak is not even in the top 5 -which are ( India, Aus, Eng, RSA, NZ ) India has won 4 back to back test series against Australia -which includes winning 2 back to back test series in Australia. When was the Pak even won a test match in Australia ? Your team is so third grade that I remember Ian chappell once saying that Pak is a waste of time and should not even be invited to Australia. https://tribune.com.pk/story/1288343/ian-chappell-tells-pakistan-improve-cricket-stay-home The sooner you realize where you truly and honestly stand vs. India in cricket or all walks of life- the better it would be. This doesn’t warrant a response. Learn to write respectfully. Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Are there normal posters on here who want to talk cricket without getting into hate and political agendas Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Are there normal posters on here who want to talk cricket without getting into hate and political agendas Thats the problem with your lot. You see political agendas in inconvenient facts and try to create facts out of your own blatant agendas. Your former PM's and army chiefs have admitted that Pak abetted, supported and nurtured terror against India. Your own former PM admitted to being involved in Mumbai 26/11. Why should any country play bilateral sport with such a country ? Link to comment
Dil Dil India Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: I’ve heard this a lot. 1. India too avoided Pakistan when they were at their best. 2. matches are won on the ground and on the day. You cannot assume. The last ODI series “aane do” series in 2012 India were favorites but lost the series anyway. Similarly, India went as underdogs in 1992, 1996, and 1999 WC matches against Pak but still beat them. So you cannot assume outcomes. You have to beat the opponent on the ground for it to count. 3. You may have been right from 2013-2019, Pak was middling. But right now, there is not that much of a difference when the whole Pak team is fit and in form, although on current from, India is better. The 2012 series was an aberration because we had a set of has beens close tor retirement and the conditions were overwhelmingly toss dependent. The fact is apart from fluky t20, over a series Pak are comfortably worse than India in tests and ODIs. Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dil Dil India said: The 2012 series was an aberration because we had a set of has beens close tor retirement and the conditions were overwhelmingly toss dependent. The fact is apart from fluky t20, over a series Pak are comfortably worse than India in tests and ODIs. I could say the same about 2004-2006 series. Pakistan had major retirements of Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, and Saeed Anwar after the 2003 WC debacle. I think India will beat Pakistan in tests right now. ODIs could be competitive depending on form and fitness of Pakistan team. Pakistan ODI team is not as bad as what they’ve shown. A lot of key players misfiring and out of form Edited November 4, 2023 by Sharjah-Harjah Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Are there normal posters on here who want to talk cricket without getting into hate and political agendas Why did Bekar Younis talked about religion & Namaz, when the discussion was on cricket ? Link to comment
bsriharsha Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Flukes like the CT win aside , the gulf in class between India & Pakistan over the last 15 or so years is clearly visible. India have better batsmen , better fast bowlers , better spinners and better fielders. I can name about 20 people not playing in the Indian squad right now who would get in to the Pakistani team ahead of probably 7-8 of the regular XI Link to comment
Throwaib_Chuckter Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, NameGoesHere said: I literally spat out my coffee Ditto. @Dil Dil India you are on the hook to get @NameGoesHere a coffee and a keyboard for me please. Chuckte Raho TC Edited November 4, 2023 by Throwaib_Chuckter Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Historically H2H they have better record in test and ODI. Given we only play them once every few year ODI record isnt changing anytime soon given we havent played a test against them in over a decade that record will always stay with Pakistan. Sure once can slice or dissect data but bottom line h2h they are ahead, lets not argue about it, accept it and move on. Things however have changed this century. Past 20yrs we have been a better team by a distance. T20 a format in which Pakistan is supposed to excel and our weakest format, if not wrong we have only lost that 1 WC match. This is something Pakistani need to accept and move on. Link to comment
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