Vivek Ramaswamy - US Presidential candidate.

[ravishingravi]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Dude got clobbered...  There was no chance of Far Right racists ever voting for him.  When Trump came after him even the little support he had evaporated. 

Looks like he is cutting the cord 

 

 

Far from getting clobbered , he got exactly what he wanted. First interaction with young voters as first time politician. Possible access for VP position with Trump. Dude was not gunning for 2024. Dude is going for 2028 and 2032. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Far from getting clobbered , he got exactly what he wanted. First interaction with young voters as first time politician. Possible access for VP position with Trump. Dude was not gunning for 2024. Dude is going for 2028 and 2032. 

We'll see..  Don't think America will be having a brown Republican Hindu PM anytime soon. 

His followers also think His faith & skin is a major obstacle for majority of rep demographic. 

He was grifting all this while best case he lands himself a gig in Trump Administration if it ever comes to that. 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

We'll see..  Don't think America will be having a brown Republican Hindu PM anytime soon. 

His followers also think His faith & skin is a major obstacle for majority of rep demographic. 

He was grifting all this while best case he lands himself a gig in Trump Administration if it ever comes to that. 

 

I dont think he ever thought he was going to be a President ( let alone running against Trump)- he got what he wanted, his name out in the electorate, and his open support for Trump means he can get a good position in the White House in the Cabinet..

 

I think the final running is going to be between Trump and De Santis ( whoever the hell that is)

[Lone Wolf]

40 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

I dont think he ever thought he was going to be a President ( let alone running against Trump)- he got what he wanted, his name out in the electorate, and his open support for Trump means he can get a good position in the White House in the Cabinet..

 

I think the final running is going to be between Trump and De Santis ( whoever the hell that is)

Said it earlier in the thread that he was never a serous candidate & was looking for mostly name recognition.   He surely got that which is satisfactory result for him. 

 

De Santis is done too which is a shame actually...  He may have well won general more easily than Trump who may again lose or get jailed in the process. 

RDS put everything into IA..  

 

Nikki Hailey maintains solid lead over him in New Hampshire & is threatening trump with donors on her side. 

It will be Trump v Hailey in the end. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[LordPrabhzy]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

threatening trump with donors

which one of her staff admitting were Democrats lol- shes a Hillary in disguise and will ruin Republicans- if it comes to her and Trump, the latter will always win.

[Lone Wolf]

50 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

which one of her staff admitting were Democrats lol- shes a Hillary in disguise and will ruin Republicans- if it comes to her and Trump, the latter will always win.

There is huge probability of dems supporting her + Independents & never Trumpers & obviously women. 

Trump is facing serious trouble in NY cases... And there is a decent chance he won't make it. 

Either way it will be interesting.  Neocons + MIC is already backing Nikki..  To keep war machine warm.  

 

Also In a General there is high possibility of Trump losing to dems than say a Nikki or RDS if they were the nominee. 

RDS would have won massively in fact. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[goose]

13 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

You watch, you read, you listen, you study their record in politics, and then you vote.

 

If one reflexively eliminates a candidate simply based on their religion, regardless of religion, it is not justifiable. Like with Mitt Romney. So many people made fun of him and did not vote for him because he is Mormon. In spite of him having a solid record as an administrator and governor.

 

 

It's a noble aim but not realistic given the Western media portrayal of Islam. Would you call an Indian racist for not wanting a Muslim PM?

[BacktoCricaddict]

4 hours ago, goose said:

It's a noble aim but not realistic given the Western media portrayal of Islam. Would you call an Indian racist for not wanting a Muslim PM?

I suppose "racism" would be the wrong term, but semantics aside, if an Indian does not want an individual to become the PM for the only reason that the person is Muslim, that would be an unjustifiable position. For instance, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, if he had ever wanted to get his hands dirty in politics, would be a perfectly reasonable candidate, no?

[goose]

53 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I suppose "racism" would be the wrong term, but semantics aside, if an Indian does not want an individual to become the PM for the only reason that the person is Muslim, that would be an unjustifiable position. For instance, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, if he had ever wanted to get his hands dirty in politics, would be a perfectly reasonable candidate, no?

 agree wrong term. it's a difficult one. i'm not sure a person's religious belief system should be ring fenced when weighing up their values and beliefs.

[ravishingravi]

As expected. Lesser minds don't become self made billionaire at 35. They have clarity , vision and long term strategy. Vivek is going to be a player on republican side for foreseeable future. 

 

 

[goose]

masterclass in strategic thought

[ravishingravi]

Well so far my prediction has been on track. The presidential run was just to test waters and get into the coterie club of Trump. He is in there now. Possibly prop position awaits him. Yes, he is very smart. He is already setting himself up for libertarian version of MAGA movement and lead that piece 4 - 8 years down the line while Vance is holding son of the soil nativist view. He knows that's his only chance. 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by ravishingravi

[ravishingravi]

Btw he is going to buy BuzzFeed in coming months. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Non-white and hindu - no way republican base vote for him.

 

He is just for the grift. He criticised Trump for Capitol Hill on twitter. After that, when asked about it, he was not assertive on why he criticised him.

 

Even Vance criticised Trump I believe. He is also in for the grift I think.

 

Gritting is very easy when you are appealing to simple minded republicans. 

 

Check Ezra Klein podcast interview of Vivek. He grilled him. He eventually conceded most of his policies are in line with democrats policies lol  The cycle goes likes this

 

Trump cons republican voters -> Republican establishment cons Trump ->  REpublican voters con Republican establishment (ditching them basically).

 

This symbiotic relationship ensures that  democrats lose and republicans win. IT is a win win situation for both establishment and Trump. Democrats on the other hand are petrified of anyone who is remotely far left even if they appeal more to people. 

Edited November 9, 2024 by vvvslaxman

[Ranvir]

2 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Non-white and hindu - no way republican base vote for him.

 

He is just for the grift. He criticised Trump for Capitol Hill on twitter. After that, when asked about it, he was not assertive on why he criticised him.

 

Even Vance criticised Trump I believe. He is also in for the grift I think.

 

Gritting is very easy when you are appealing to simple minded republicans. 

No one likes being ruled by a minority. 

 

Just look at Sonia Gandhi. 

[vvvslaxman]

They have this theory called Great replacement conspiracy theory which is basically espoused by far right wing nuts. Basically according to them whites are being replaced by others (including Indians). It is their core ideology.  It is somewhat similar to one world leader's reference to one group  as "infiltrators".

 

https://globalextremism.org/the-great-replacement/?gad_source=1

 

They say , birth rate of outsiders is higher than white birth rate. So eventually whites will get replaced by others.  (I am sure you have heard this theory before somewhere @Vicks57  :) )   Even though they may seemingly appear to congradulate them , people who are at the other end of the spectrum won't like anyone other than a white male coming to power. At the best Vivek get some position in the cabinet.

[BacktoCricaddict]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Basically according to them whites are being replaced by others (including Indians). It is their core ideology.

The key is that they think it is a concerted, intentional strategy that POCs have colluded to execute.

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

24 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

No one likes being ruled by a minority. 

 

Just look at Sonia Gandhi. 

That's a whole different story. She grew up in a different country, and had absolutely no way to connect to India except that she was married into a political dynasty.

[Lone Wolf]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Check Ezra Klein podcast interview of Vivek. He grilled him. He eventually conceded most of his policies are in line with democrats policies lol  The cycle goes likes this

 

Trump cons republican voters -> Republican establishment cons Trump ->  REpublican voters con Republican establishment (ditching them basically).

 

This symbiotic relationship ensures that  democrats lose and republicans win. IT is a win win situation for both establishment and Trump. Democrats on the other hand are petrified of anyone who is remotely far left even if they appeal more to people. 

I think Vivek secretly dislikes Israel he used to mention initially that Americans should stop supporting them militarily and tech wise.

But after a backlash even in Primaries he realised that's not what's going to work.

So he stopped talking about it.

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

Why would Vivek want to pander to a base where he has to prove again and again he is American?

 

Very simple. Republic voter base is simple minded and getting their votes is relatively easy.

 

Bingo. Even though Trump is a liberal he knew it was easy to polarize the right because vast majority are rush limabugh's products. That is where you get "alternate" news (conspiracy theories).  He sowed the seed in 2008 after Obama won. Birtherism.