express bowling Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Vijy said: he is a swing bowler. better than boobi for traditional (not the new) eng/NZ type pitches. better bat than boobi, can easily play at 8. overall, not a good fit for most pitches Boobi is out of reckoning and shouldn't be the benchmark now. And as you said, can't pick a pure swing bowler even in tests in England and NZ these days. Those pitches flatten out in the 2nd innings. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, express bowling said: Boobi is out of reckoning and shouldn't be the benchmark now. And as you said, can't pick a pure swing bowler even in tests in England and NZ these days. Those pitches flatten out in the 2nd innings. didn't mean current useless boobi, but the one who played in eng and did a good job years ago. NZ, Eng are flat-tish nowadays, SA and Aus require bounce. and SC requires reverse swing (not classical swing) + pace. Link to comment
diga Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/how-aavishkar-salvi-and-mandeep-singh-joined-hands-to-end-punjab-30-year-trophy-drought-1408033 nice article on Punjab's championship run... BTW for the newer folks, Avishkar Salvi (current Punjab coach) was once hailed as Indian McGrath and injuries prevented him from playing in India's overseas tours Aavishkar Salvi - the man who was touted as India's Glenn McGrath in early 2000s for his action & ability to extract springy bounce from a length. Here's his ODI debut from 2003 TVS Cup where he took 7-1-15-2. Should have had one more if not for a dolly drop by Sehwag. pic.twitter.com/M4iCavbnGa — Mainak Sinha (@cric_archivist) July 7, 2020 Edited November 10, 2023 by diga Mosher 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 11:32 AM, Need4Speed said: A complete AR..esp the one who does pace bowling..will be at injury risk many times..as the demands will be a lot mentally and physically.. so lest say if Jadeja is bwoling AR .then we need one of the pacers to have some decent batting ability..like a bankable 20s Avg..good strike rate.. similarly we may need 2 batters to bowl as well..decent spin..to cover for someones' onjury or bad day.. Batter Batter Batter Batting AR Batting AR Batter+ wk spin bowling AR(for Indian subcon)\pace bowling AR(for SENA) pace bowling AR wrist spinner Pacer Pacer need to groom players for thsi combo.. Something like this Combo for 50 overs for 2025-? Batter - Gill Batting AR - Jaiswal Batting AR - Tilak Batter - Shryeas if (SC) /SKY Batter+ wk -K L Rahul Batter - Pant ( Also reserve keeper) Pace Bowling All rounder - Hardik/Raj Bawa (reserve) Spin Bowling All rounder - Jadeja / Axar Patel (Reserve)/Abhishek Sharma (Reserve) Wrist Spinner - Kuldeep / Rahul Chahar/Suyash (reserve) Pacer - Bumrah/ Prasidh ( reserve) Pacer - Siraj / Mayank Yadav (reserve)/Tyagi (Reserve) Hmmm.. Quite a team if they are in form . We are only missing Shami's class .. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Something like this Combo for T20 for 2025-? Batter - Gill Batting - Jaiswal / Ruturaj Batter - SKY Batter+wk - Pant / KL / Ishan Batting AR - Tilak (emergency bowler) /Rinku Batting AR Pace - Hardik Batting AR spin - Riyan Parag/ Abhishek Sharma/ Wrist Spinner - Kuldeep / Bishnoi (reserve)/ Suyash (reserve) Pacer - Bumrah Pacer - Siraj Pacer - Arshdeep/Mayak Yadav/ Tyagi Need 3 pure pacers ,2 batting all rounders , 1 spinner . Edited November 10, 2023 by prudent_kreeda Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: Something like this Combo for 50 overs for 2025-? Batter - Gill Batting AR - Jaiswal Batting AR - Tilak Batter - Shryeas if (SC) /SKY Batter+ wk -K L Rahul Batter - Pant ( Also reserve keeper) Pace Bowling All rounder - Hardik/Raj Bawa (reserve) Spin Bowling All rounder - Jadeja / Axar Patel (Reserve)/Abhishek Sharma (Reserve) Wrist Spinner - Kuldeep / Rahul Chahar/Suyash (reserve) Pacer - Bumrah/ Prasidh ( reserve) Pacer - Siraj / Mayank Yadav (reserve)/Tyagi (Reserve) Hmmm.. Quite a team if they are in form . We are only missing Shami's class .. We need another specialist pacer instead of the extra batsman. 1. Gill / Kishan 2. Jaiswal ( Can bowl ) 3. Kohli / Shreyas 4. Pant / Tilak 5. Rahul / Kishan 6. Hardik / SKY 7. Jadeja / Axar ( spin Bowling AR ) 8. Harshit / Hangargekar ( pace bowling AR ) 9. Bumrah / Siraj 10. Kuldeep / R. Chahar 11. Mayank Y / Prasidh prudent_kreeda, Need4Speed and Mosher 3 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, express bowling said: We need another specialist pacer instead of the extra batsman. 1. Gill / Kishan 2. Jaiswal ( Can bowl ) 3. Kohli / Shreyas 4. Pant / Tilak 5. Rahul / Kishan 6. Hardik / SKY 7. Jadeja / Axar ( spin Bowling AR ) 8. Harshit / Hangargekar ( pace bowling AR ) 9. Bumrah / Siraj 10. Kuldeep / R. Chahar 11. Mayank Y / Prasidh Frankly the way 3 pure pacers have done in this WC , I would prefer to have Bumrah, Siraj & Mayank/Prasidh.... Out & Out attacking wicket taking bowlers. That would be the best option i think. I would not put Harshit /Hangu in the league of above pacers at present in 50 overs for the 3rd pacer slot. For this to happen Hardik has to really step up as a batter, who knows if SKY shines at KO stage in this WC , everyone will root for 6 pure batters and rely on Tilak/ Jaiswal to fill in only when needed. 6 Proper bats & 5 proper bowlers looks the most potent combo with at least 1 batter who can fill in some overs when needed. One workaround may be ,play 6+5 combo vs top teams and against rest , go for 2 pure pacers & 8th spot for pacer who can bat like Harshit/Hangu + 2 spinners . Re: Batter who can bowl, i feel Tilak will be one who will be ahead of all others among pure batters. Tilak is a must for me among 5 batters by 2025. Am not including VK as it is my wish list . But know he will be there Edited November 10, 2023 by prudent_kreeda express bowling 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 7 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: Something like this Combo for 50 overs for 2025-? Batter - Gill Batting AR - Jaiswal Batting AR - Tilak Batter - Shryeas if (SC) /SKY Batter+ wk -K L Rahul Batter - Pant ( Also reserve keeper) Pace Bowling All rounder - Hardik/Raj Bawa (reserve) Spin Bowling All rounder - Jadeja / Axar Patel (Reserve)/Abhishek Sharma (Reserve) Wrist Spinner - Kuldeep / Rahul Chahar/Suyash (reserve) Pacer - Bumrah/ Prasidh ( reserve) Pacer - Siraj / Mayank Yadav (reserve)/Tyagi (Reserve) Hmmm.. Quite a team if they are in form . We are only missing Shami's class .. Good..i would prefer one more pacy bowler AR for SENA countries though..Harshit Rana/Hangarekar/Mohsin khan if they are fully fit and groomed..as Hardik wont bowl more than 5 overs for me..considering his injury issues..he will be my 4th pacer.. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, express bowling said: We need another specialist pacer instead of the extra batsman. 1. Gill / Kishan 2. Jaiswal ( Can bowl ) 3. Kohli / Shreyas 4. Pant / Tilak 5. Rahul / Kishan 6. Hardik / SKY 7. Jadeja / Axar ( spin Bowling AR ) 8. Harshit / Hangargekar ( pace bowling AR ) 9. Bumrah / Siraj 10. Kuldeep / R. Chahar 11. Mayank Y / Prasidh Sai sudharshan would be better than some of these players like shreyas. he has the game to build at no. 3. Tilak is a must, will bowl 3-4 overs and fulfill 6th bowler Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, Need4Speed said: Good..i would prefer one more pacy bowler AR for SENA countries though..Harshit Rana/Hangarekar/Mohsin khan if they are fully fit and groomed..as Hardik wont bowl more than 5 overs for me..considering his injury issues..he will be my 4th pacer.. Only major ICC torney is Champions trophy in 2025 which is in PAK or may be moved to UAE. I had that in mind when selecting 2025 team for ODI. But yes , we should have 4+1 Combo in Sena Need4Speed 1 Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Need4Speed said: Good..i would prefer one more pacy bowler AR for SENA countries though..Harshit Rana/Hangarekar/Mohsin khan if they are fully fit and groomed..as Hardik wont bowl more than 5 overs for me..considering his injury issues..he will be my 4th pacer.. Forget him for now, he is not good batter and with his current state of fitness, he is going down Pradeep Sangwan's route with all the muscles around the pot belly area....he may have to be dragged out of the ground on a supersopper after bowling 4-5 over. Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Forget him for now, he is not good batter and with his current state of fitness, he is going down Pradeep Sangwan's route with all the muscles around the pot belly area....he may have to be dragged out of the ground on a supersopper after bowling 4-5 over. Hmm..not working on fitness is very disappointing.. Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Need4Speed said: Hmm..not working on fitness is very disappointing.. has poor temperament too Link to comment
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