The 'Leak Era'

[Arvind32]

6 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Correct you can't judge on a small sample size but that is exactly what you're doing with Pant in this series which has been the only  modest one for him after a long time . Against NZ on spinning minefields he looked the most accomplished player of spin in either side. Watch a replay of both India innings in Mumbai 2 months ago. While he was at the crease he seemed to be batting on a different surface to the others. Even in the last game he looked more solid than Jaiswal who was playing loosely in the session they batted out unbeaten before his patience gave out. I agree the top order needs solid defensive batsmen and Pant is not temperamentally suited to that. He should not be coming in at 3 down. His best use is at number 7 when he can attack most of the time once the initial threat has been seen off by better equipped defensive batsmen. Every other team uses their keepers like this. It's only India that have shoved their keeper up the order to shore up a failing top order and there is rush to make him the fall guy for the entire team when he makes a mistake which in his case tend to involve more weird shots and unnecessary risks than others

I would not judge much on but he did in India Even the Saha was king in India . I was bit surprised  Jaiswal lasted till 70 overs as he tend to lose concentration after 100 plus balls .

With the technique and temprament Pant is playing he would not last much longer . Yes his ideal position belong at 6-7 . But having 3 all rounders force him to come at 5 when Rohit and Kohli are just  walker . 

[lemsip]

4 minutes ago, Arvind32 said:

would not judge much on but he did in India Even the Saha was king in India

Jurel's entire test record is also based only in a few games in India on far better wickets than the ones Pant played on recently. So you dismiss Pant's performance in India but not Jurel's. Besides Pant has the best overseas record in history of any Indian wicketkeeper so it's not as if there is a major issue with that. Jurel and Pant can both find a role in the side in different roles once the non performing seniors are kicked out

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Arvind32 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Arvind32 said:

First thing first , Raula katta is a Punjabi word . Which is often used in punjab . Punjab is on both sides of border . The language is almost same  on both sides of border . If you think it's Pakistani word then  learn a bit about Punjab and Punjabi language . Secondly , the meaning of the word is  often used for pant like people who have  miss and hit technique and temprament  . Thirdly , where you get those statistics . He was injured for last 2 years . Before it he was in out of the side for most of the time . The only innings  he played well is at last BGT trophy . With this technique and temprament , he almost get failed in 90% of the time . Why should he take place  of Jurel who is solid batsman and delivered you  on 80% of the cases . Last but not lest , I am an Indian and will never waste my time on other country cricket forum . 

When was pant out of the side for most time before his accident? He was in every test series.

 

 

 

When is Pant hit and miss? These are his stats in EVERY series he played since Dec 2020

 

BGT series 2020-21 - Top run scorer for india with 68.5 average despite playing only 5 innings

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-australia-2020-21-1223867/stats

 

England vs India series in India Feb 2021 - 

 

Rishabh Pant, 2nd highest scorer for India after Rohit

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2020-21-1243364/stats

 

Pataudi trophy (India in england)

 

Second after Rohit Sharma, with an excellent 146 in one innings

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/series/batting-most-runs-career/pataudi-trophy-2021-2022-13787

 

 

India tour of South Africa - 2021/22

 

Second after KL Rahul with an excellent  100 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/series/batting-most-runs-career/freedom-trophy-2021-22-14163

 

 

Sri Lanka tour of India - 2022

 

3rd highest run scorer, just 1 run behind Iyer who was 2nd and 15 behind the first 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sri-lanka-in-india-2021-22-1278665/stats

 

 

India in Bangladesh 2022/23

 

Pant 49 average strike rate of 91, 4th, just 9 runs short of third place

 

After his comeback in 2024

 

Bangladesh in India - 2024

 

Pant 3rd place just 3 runs behind 2nd Gill and just 20 odd runs behind Jaiswal who was first

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-india-2024-25-1439844/stats

 

 

New Zealand in India, 2024 

 

Pant First place from BOTH sides on incredibly difficult pitches

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-india-2024-25-1439847/stats

 

 

 

As you can see, he has been the MOST consistent batsman from India since 2020, the opposite of hit and miss, and one of the most consistent batsman in the entire world in that period. And thats amazing for a wicket keeper bat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by New guy

[Arvind32]

1 hour ago, lemsip said:

Jurel's entire test record is also based only in a few games in India on far better wickets than the ones Pant played on recently. So you dismiss Pant's performance in India but not Jurel's. Besides Pant has the best overseas record in history of any Indian wicketkeeper so it's not as if there is a major issue with that. Jurel and Pant can both find a role in the side in different roles once the non performing seniors are kicked out

Whoever plays for India either Jurel , Pant , Samson or Kishan  if they do not perform in  4-5 tests . They should be sent back to domestics to work on their weakness . Consistency should also be the key , an innings here and there should not be considered the criteria for long rope .  I hope it clears that I do not back anyone but only the performance . 

[Arvind32]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

 

When was pant out of the side for most time before his accident? He was in every test series.

 

 

 

When is Pant hit and miss? These are his stats in EVERY series he played since Dec 2020

 

BGT series 2020-21 - Top run scorer for india with 68.5 average despite playing only 5 innings

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-australia-2020-21-1223867/stats

 

England vs India series in India Feb 2021 - 

 

Rishabh Pant, 2nd highest scorer for India after Rohit

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2020-21-1243364/stats

 

Pataudi trophy (India in england)

 

Second after Rohit Sharma, with an excellent 146 in one innings

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/series/batting-most-runs-career/pataudi-trophy-2021-2022-13787

 

 

India tour of South Africa - 2021/22

 

Second after KL Rahul with an excellent  100 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/series/batting-most-runs-career/freedom-trophy-2021-22-14163

 

 

Sri Lanka tour of India - 2022

 

3rd highest run scorer, just 1 run behind Iyer who was 2nd and 15 behind the first 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sri-lanka-in-india-2021-22-1278665/stats

 

 

India in Bangladesh 2022/23

 

Pant 49 average strike rate of 91, 4th, just 9 runs short of third place

 

After his comeback in 2024

 

Bangladesh in India - 2024

 

Pant 3rd place just 3 runs behind 2nd Gill and just 20 odd runs behind Jaiswal who was first

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-india-2024-25-1439844/stats

 

 

New Zealand in India, 2024 

 

Pant First place from BOTH sides on incredibly difficult pitches

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-india-2024-25-1439847/stats

 

 

 

As you can see, he has been the MOST consistent batsman from India since 2020, the opposite of hit and miss, and one of the most consistent batsman in the entire world in that period. And thats amazing for a wicket keeper bat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do not cheery pick stats .he got 4 test matches to perform so it's time to move on and give chance to next guy . 

[lemsip]

9 minutes ago, Arvind32 said:

Whoever plays for India either Jurel , Pant , Samson or Kishan  if they do not perform in  4-5 tests . They should be sent back to domestics to work on their weakness . Consistency should also be the key , an innings here and there should not be considered the criteria for long rope .  I hope it clears that I do not back anyone but only the performance . 

 No sports team can perform with such a short term focus otherwise you will be constantly chopping and changing your team and all players will be insecure. Australia have retained Steve smith,Mitch marsh and Labuschaigne without performing for over a year. Cricket is a game where players frequently have dips in performance and for Pant the dip is a minor one given his performance just before this series. Dhoni averaged 19 in Australia and even in this incomplete series Pant has averaged 22 and has taken 23 catches. That's perfectly normal performance for any visiting keeper. It is below his previous standards but not the disaster you are making it out to be 

[Arvind32]

2 minutes ago, lemsip said:

 No sports team can perform with such a short term focus otherwise you will be constantly chopping and changing your team and all players will be insecure. Australia have retained Steve smith,Mitch marsh and Labuschaigne without performing for over a year. Cricket is a game where players frequently have dips in performance and for Pant the dip is a minor one given his performance just before this series. Dhoni averaged 19 in Australia and even in this incomplete series Pant has averaged 22 and has taken 23 catches. That's perfectly normal performance for any visiting keeper. It is below his previous standards but not the disaster you are making it out to be 

You do not want to give more than 10 innings for a batsman to come into form . Otherwise it will create a culture of  easeness .Do not compare with Dhoni too as he was captain himself and was average wicket keeper in test matches . Due to star culture , he got unnecessary opportunities . We have so much young talent  and they need opportunities  now . We can not fall to stardom .   
 

In terms of Australian will never give more than 5 matches to any non performing player . Even Mitch Marsh was scoring centuries before this series . Now they have dropped him in a second . Smith and Lubuschange never had  such a dip as Rohit and Virat got . They mostly scored  50s here and there . Even great Ricky  was on chopping block . 

[New guy]

Just now, Arvind32 said:

You do not want to give more than 10 innings for a batsman to come into form . Otherwise it will create a culture of  easeness .Do not compare with Dhoni too as he was captain himself and was average wicket keeper in test matches . Due to star culture , he got unnecessary opportunities . We have so much young talent  and they need opportunities  now . We can not fall to stardom .   
 

In terms of Australian will never give more than 5 matches to any non performing player . Even Mitch Marsh was scoring centuries before this series . Now they have dropped him in a second . Smith and Lubuschange never had  such a dip as Rohit and Virat got . They mostly scored  50s here and there . Even great Ricky  was on chopping block . 

Kohli has failed for 5+ years. Rohit has failed for years, KL Rahul entire career is medicore

 

And instead you are targeting Pant. Go trolls somewhere else Pakistani troll

[New guy]

39 minutes ago, Arvind32 said:

Do not cheery pick stats .he got 4 test matches to perform so it's time to move on and give chance to next guy . 

Showing entire career is cherry picking?

 

Trolls need to learn to be subtle, you blew your wad too early my dude. 

[Arvind32]

6 minutes ago, New guy said:

Showing entire career is cherry picking?

 

Trolls need to learn to be subtle, you blew your wad too early my dude. 

You are troll himself and see others too .  First find at least good player  to back up  my junior you do not need to work hard  to justify him . 

Edited January 2, 2025 by Arvind32

[New guy]

58 minutes ago, Arvind32 said:

You are troll himself and see others too .  First find at least good player  to back up  my junior you do not need to work hard  to justify him . 

Pakistani trolls need to try harder dude. Like your entire country, you get overexcited and blow your wad too soon and are then get thrashed by Indians when it really matters.

[CG]

On 1/1/2025 at 8:56 PM, Number said:

The way Rohit's PR reacted to Pandya replacing him was distasteful. His wife was going after Boucher from her personal account on instagram. Absolutely shameful.

 

It all hurts more because the Rohit everyone loved was the one who was a happy go lucky guy, never cared about anything other than is runs and was cheerful towards his teammates. 

 

The way he has changed since getting captaincy is not going to earn him any fans.

Dont believe much on Pr bullshit.Why would rohit leak things which would make gambhir wanting pujara.Its just made up.Last time rohit did well in odi wc and dropping from mumbai captain so fans stood by him.Now he is not performing so not much support.

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Arvind32 said:

Whoever plays for India either Jurel , Pant , Samson or Kishan  if they do not perform in  4-5 tests . They should be sent back to domestics to work on their weakness . Consistency should also be the key , an innings here and there should not be considered the criteria for long rope .  I hope it clears that I do not back anyone but only the performance . 

 

3 hours ago, Arvind32 said:

Do not cheery pick stats .he got 4 test matches to perform so it's time to move on and give chance to next guy . 

 

3 hours ago, lemsip said:

 No sports team can perform with such a short term focus otherwise you will be constantly chopping and changing your team and all players will be insecure. Australia have retained Steve smith,Mitch marsh and Labuschaigne without performing for over a year. Cricket is a game where players frequently have dips in performance and for Pant the dip is a minor one given his performance just before this series. Dhoni averaged 19 in Australia and even in this incomplete series Pant has averaged 22 and has taken 23 catches. That's perfectly normal performance for any visiting keeper. It is below his previous standards but not the disaster you are making it out to be 

 

And what about the real problems - Kohli who has been failing for 5+ years and never made an impact in a win away from home, or Rohit who isn't even a Test batter?

 

Pant who has been one of the few batters holding up the team should go along with Ashwin and probably Jadeja but Kohli and Rohit should continue to play?

 

Is this putrevus in a new avatar or another Kohli fanboi who is now blaming everyone other than their "King" 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

 

And what about the real problems - Kohli who has been failing for 5+ years and never made an impact in a win away from home, or Rohit who isn't even a Test batter?

 

Pant who has been one of the few batters holding up the team should go along with Ashwin and probably Jadeja but Kohli and Rohit should continue to play?

 

Is this putrevus in a new avatar or another Kohli fanboi who is now blaming everyone other than their "King" 

seems more like Pak troll going by emphasis on muslim cricketers

[Lord]

 

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

 

send him this clip asap

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

seems more like Pak troll going by emphasis on muslim cricketers

 

Didn't see rest of his posts but yeah stands to reasons as Kohli has a hold on retarded fans at home and across the border 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Didn't see rest of his posts but yeah stands to reasons as Kohli has a hold on retarded fans at home and across the border 

His whole modus operandi is to just get as many mindless SC fans as possible

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

send him this clip asap

 

Nothing will happen... it's all dog and pony show. Indian cricket is a personal fiefdom of a few and exists to serve the stars such as "Hitman" Rohit, "King" Kohli, politicians and the well connected (Jay Shah, Sharad Pawar, Shashank Manohar, Srinivasan etc.)

 

Results and performances don't even enter the equation. 

[Arvind32]

5 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

 

And what about the real problems - Kohli who has been failing for 5+ years and never made an impact in a win away from home, or Rohit who isn't even a Test batter?

 

Pant who has been one of the few batters holding up the team should go along with Ashwin and probably Jadeja but Kohli and Rohit should continue to play?

 

Is this putrevus in a new avatar or another Kohli fanboi who is now blaming everyone other than their "King" 

I always mentioned in my posts thar kohli and Rohit are menance in the team . One is not test batsman and other technique can not hold on spinning track At this stage in careeer , they should not take place of Sarfraz and Gill .  I am not personally against Pant but he should at least perform on consistent basis and shows good temperament and technique when match is on the line .