Bangladesh look to move T20 World Cup matches from India amid Mustafizur row

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

As per him only bjp does that. Also as per him if we dint oppose to sl in the past for tamil genocide why we are doing it now. Lol as per his analogy india shouldn’t have done OP sindoor also for terror attack as they dint donit in past. Blame bjp for their sissy response for bd  , but making outrage on mustafizur dropping decision ,when i belive many have raised this point that why mustafizur was allowed in ipl auctions looks hypocrisy. If you feel this is wrong why you were making fun  in chit chat section of bd hindu thread for mustafizur ipl auction.

Problem is people aren't ready to look beneath the surface, in this day of information warfare, any data can be twisted and misrepresented on Social Media. People don't have time to investigate, they just consume the data as it is and basis of that they form the opinion. Hence, their thought process can easily be impacted by running propaganda campaigns on twitter/reddit/wikipedia.
 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, raki05 said:

How does all this matter when he literally compare sanatan to aids , maleria and wanted to eradicate it. I can show similar matric that how india grew leaps and bound since 2014 as comapred to their predecessor from economy, science to infra on many matrix. You are switching goal post with every comments. Girst you brought religious card and when i have shown you the mirror you are bringing devlopment matrix. 

There you go sanatan. I never heard of that word. We have our own custom as Hindus. I am not sure why North India is trying to thrust into others.

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Isn't that what BJP supporters call the congress supporters? Modi himself directly in his speech said that using words like infiltrators. making reference to muslim population.  I am talking about this sanadana talk consuming India. 

Infiltrator is an infiltrator, irrespective of the religion, it's just happening that most of the illegal migrants from Bangladesh and Pakistan are Muslims...that's a reality. Consider it like a Terrorist is a Terrorist, it just happens that majority (if not all) of them are Muslims.
In SIR, there are Hindu/Christian illegals as well who were identified and asked to leave. Just that their numbers are disproportionately lower.

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

There you go sanatan. I never heard of that word. We have our own custom as Hindus. I am not sure why North India is trying to thrust into others.

"Sanatan" is a Sanskrit word...which means "Eternal" (not to confuse with marvel movie) or "timeless"
Consider is as a massive umbrella of Dharmic Religions, under which Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and other Native Indigenous religions co-exist peacefully.

Even if you don't use that word, it was unfair to compare it with Malaria, Aids etc...as doing this Uday not only showed his ignorance but also insulted majority of the population (including you and me). 
Even if you say, he might not have known that, atleast, as a political leader, he should have chosen his words carefully.
 

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[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Infiltrator is an infiltrator, irrespective of the religion, it's just happening that most of the illegal migrants from Bangladesh and Pakistan are Muslims...that's a reality. Consider it like a Terrorist is a Terrorist, it just happens that majority (if not all) of them are Muslims.
In SIR, there are Hindu/Christian illegals as well who were identified and asked to leave. Just that their numbers are disproportionately lower.

 

I have absolutely no problem evicting, arresting punishing illegal immigrants. His reference came up when he talked about general  muslim. There was this hateful rhetoric in a rally where he made all these references.  

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I have absolutely no problem evicting, arresting punishing illegal immigrants. His reference came up when he talked about general  muslim. There was this hateful rhetoric in a rally where he made all these references.  

Do you have the link ? I want to see it.
I don't think he ever said as a PM to eradicate Muslims from the land of India. There are enough Muslim leaders in BJP as well.
He may have pointed to one of two individuals, who were using the Muslims to fuel animosity. Which even the Muslim leaders of BJP support.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

"Sanatan" is a Sanskrit word...which means "Eternal" (not to confuse with marvel movie) or "timeless"
Consider is as a massive umbrella of Dharmic Religions, under which Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and other Native Indigenous religions co-exist peacefully.
 

 

Okay.. However, it is used by almost everyone for almost everything. It is almost like Hindutva is rebranded as Sanatana.  I am not sure why everyone has to be reminded of that in every conversation. I am not talking about ICF. I am a heavy social media follower. I just bump into  these endlessly no matter how many people i block. I noticed one thing. Even i though i blocked an account i see the exact same message from different account. Then i blocked that. THen i saw again from another account. This is how they spam the social media. This is where i found how they abuse smriti mandhana just because she was wearing christmas attire. Then they started spamming did JEmima celebrate Diwali. Why does Mandhana celebrate christmas.  

[vvvslaxman]

Guys i have no personal issues with any of you guys :) So don't target me. I am just offering a different point of view. It is okay if you don't like it. MY views are based on my observations around reddit, twitter, facebook from my friends, insta.

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Okay.. However, it is used by almost everyone for almost everything. It is almost like Hindutva is rebranded as Sanatana.  I am not sure why everyone has to be reminded of that in every conversation. I am not talking about ICF. I am a heavy social media follower. I just bump into  these endlessly no matter how many people i block. I noticed one thing. Even i though i blocked an account i see the exact same message from different account. Then i blocked that. THen i saw again from another account. This is how they spam the social media. This is where i found how they abuse smriti mandhana just because she was wearing christmas attire. Then they started spamming did JEmima celebrate Diwali. Why does Mandhana celebrate christmas.  

That's a problem, I agree. It's due to Social Media where people think no one can catch them.

Even Shami was abused left and right by his own community, when he posted the photo of Shivling wishing everyone happy new year. People even threatened to r@pe his daughter.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/viral-news/islamic-bigots-wish-downfall-of-mohammed-shami-after-he-posts-new-year-message-with-a-shiva-linga/articleshow/62347630.cms

[mishra]

@vvvslaxman Most Hindus do what they do (yourself or Mandhana) is because Hinduism is inclusive in nature and design while Islam or Christianity is against inclusivity(their god is inly god).

 

The ones who you call  Hindutva or Sanatani have understood above mentioned fundamental fact and potential risk on Hindu civilisation as result of only one side being inclusive.

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[vvvslaxman]

Just now, mishra said:

@vvvslaxman Most Hindus do what they do (yourself or Mandhana) is because Hinduism is inclusive in nature and design while Islam or Christianity is against inclusivity(their god is inly god).

 

The ones who you call  Hindutva or Sanatani have understood above mentioned fundamental fact

 

ANy religious act is a private affair. Nobody should be judged for that which is where  things have gone out of control. 

 

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, mishra said:

@vvvslaxman Most Hindus do what they do (yourself or Mandhana) is because Hinduism is inclusive in nature and design while Islam or Christianity is against inclusivity(their god is inly god).

 

The ones who you call  Hindutva or Sanatani have understood above mentioned fundamental fact and potential risk on Hindu civilisation as result of only one side being inclusive.

I completely agree with the first part and completely disagree with the second part. 

 

Hinduism has survived way way way more than anything which is happening today, by being inclusive. It's one of the oldest religions in the world.

 

We survived everything from mughal/islamic invasion to British forced conversions, from ancient times to modern times while being inclusive.

 

1) if we survived far far bigger threats despite being inclusive, why do we need to change that now?

 

2) what additional threats do you see today which didn't exist before? What are the number and facts backing this threat? How has it increased from before?

 

3) If you change the fundamental of being a Hindu, are you still a Hindu? Is Hinduism still Hinduism? Or will it become a cheap copy of hateful abrahamic religions? 

 

IMO there is no extra risk to Hinduism today, in fact we are much more safer than most times in history with a united, progressive country and a large army. The perception of threat is created by political parties to get power, pure and simple.

 

A quote from the recent movie - wake up dead man, about politics - "Show them something they hate and then make them afraid it's going to take away something they love" . 

 

This is exactly what's going on today all over the world. In India it's religion/language/statehood/region. In America it's about race.  Politicians spreading propaganda that majority is under threat and using this to win power.

 

What's really really funny to me is that  those swallowing this propaganda from people in absolute power then accuse others of doing the same. When it's their favorite who are in power and controlling both media and social media brazenly. 

 

Media used to screw every single party in power till 2014, they use to do their job as the third estate of democracy. Today they are sycophants of ruling party. Yet you accuse others of spreading and swallowing propaganda? Completely shameless. 

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[New guy]

32 minutes ago, mishra said:

@vvvslaxman Most Hindus do what they do (yourself or Mandhana) is because Hinduism is inclusive in nature and design while Islam or Christianity is against inclusivity(their god is inly god).

 

The ones who you call  Hindutva or Sanatani have understood above mentioned fundamental fact and potential risk on Hindu civilisation as result of only one side being inclusive.

So then why do people like you want to change this fundamental aspects of Hinduism? Why do people like you want it to be a cheap copy of other hateful and narrow minded religions? 

 

What risk? Hinduism has survived being a rag tag, disunited country, under attack from everyone from Mughals to British forced conversions by being inclusive.

 

There is absolutely no extra risk today than there was before or during independence, in fact risk has lessened.

 

Low IQ people swallowing political propaganda from their favorite party doesn't make it facts or truth. Santanis have understood nothing except lying so their favorite hateful party stays in power and convincing other low IQ people that it's the truth and they are under attack. They are furthest away from Hinduism than even non practicing Hindus. 

 

 

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[mishra]

Think if both @New guy and @vvvslaxman spent enough time thinking through my first statement and possible solutions to two opposing philosophy (inclusive vs non inclusive) then they will not find any paradox between first and second statement, infact its backed by your own history of India

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[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Think if both @New guy and @vvvslaxman spent enough time thinking through my first statement and possible solutions to two opposing philosophy (inclusive vs non inclusive) then they will not find any paradox between first and second statement, infact its backed by your own history of India

 

Inclusive of what? When I was young, I grew up in a small village. The person who spent the most on firecrackers in my street for Diwali was a muslim.  The point i am trying to make is don't judge people based on religion. 

 

 

 

 

[New guy]

31 minutes ago, mishra said:

Think if both @New guy and @vvvslaxman spent enough time thinking through my first statement and possible solutions to two opposing philosophy (inclusive vs non inclusive) then they will not find any paradox between first and second statement, infact its backed by your own history of India

And my opinion is, we are doing fine as we are. We don't need to change anything or find new solutions at all. Let's not follow Gambhirs example of breaking what already works and then getting whitewashed at home.

 

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[mishra]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Inclusive of what? When I was young, I grew up in a small village. The person who spent the most on firecrackers in my street for Diwali was a muslim.  The point i am trying to make is don't judge people based on religion. 

 

 

 

 

I am only saying root cause of issue . The true reason why islam or Christianity can survive in India is because religions of land are inclusive by nature. Now problem is “non inclusive “ nature of the two religions. And its plain and simple lack of intelligence , ignorance and IQ that one blames “inclusive” philosophy when problem

is “non inclusive “.
 

Our forefathers were not that chewt as people of now that they built a beautiful “inclusive” religion where Krishna Ram Balaji and thousands more are considered as their gods. Think it through. You will get the answer.

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[New guy]

14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Inclusive of what? When I was young, I grew up in a small village. The person who spent the most on firecrackers in my street for Diwali was a muslim.  The point i am trying to make is don't judge people based on religion. 

 

 

 

 

Also Hinduism allows people to worship any other God, Christianity doesn't. So forcing Christians to do Puja goes against religious freedom. If they do it of their free will that's a different thing.

 

They are completely different idealogies and comparing them is stupid. Also people who use the pictures you quoted don't realise those pica make the Hindus come out looking stronger and better. Yet they want us to be like them instead? Weird, weird mentality. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

I am only saying root cause of issue . The true reason why islam or Christianity can survive in India is because religions of land are inclusive by nature. Now problem is “non inclusive “ nature of the two religions. And its plain and simple lack of intelligence , ignorance and IQ that one blames “inclusive” philosophy. 
 

Our forefathers were not that chewt as people of now that they built a beautiful “inclusive” religion where Krishna Ram Balaji and thousands more are considered as their gods. Think it through. You will get the answer.

I am not sure what you mean by inclusive. People differ only in religious practices. Where else they differ? I have studied in christian college. I also lived in a heavy muslim populated small town. 

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, New guy said:

And my opinion is, we are doing fine as we are. We don't need to change anything at all. Let's not follow Gambhirs example of breaking what already works and then getting whitewashed at home.

 

Just because some of us has survived doesn’t mean their is no problem or their are no victims 

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