Sooda Posted May 29 Posted May 29 Holder , Sundar, Nishant Sindhu, Rashid are their numbers 4 to 7 8 bowling options Glenn Phillips on the bench Drop Holder (do they need him with Prasidh, Siraj and Rabada?), Nishant and get in Phillips and Kushagra (decent young player who had a good SMAT for Jharkhand, and he can keep) and their 11 looks so much better Very lucky their openers are in such form, but it also means they need to be careful about getting out too early tapandrun 1
tapandrun Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) Gill and Sai are jst replicating the same formula that has worked for other Ind batters like KL/Kolhi/even Mayank/Rutu etc... The thing was other team or combinations used to have other batting partner who was a striker of the ball. The GT formula of batting 2 accumlator to gether has worked for rutu+faf and kolhi and faf too. So this is a tested thing the good thing is GT high performing bowling line-up. Every1 looks like a proper wkt taker, where other team have focused on pace variation and dialling down on high pace gt has dialed-up on the pace and it worked for them. Their batting plan is simple no matter how big is the target play safe but keep scoring and will see when to accelerate and while bowling it all about attack. V.rarely opp have been able to get an early wkt vs GT because of their play safe approach. Not sure why bowlers have not been able to take their wkts ??? Does it mean in IPL bowlers can only take wkts when batter are playing highly aggressive cricket ???-- Because its no secret that opp. teams just need to break their opening partnership and then they are in the game but no-one (largely) unable to do so?? Season Franchise Opening Pair Individual Runs 2021 Chennai Super Kings Ruturaj Gaikwad Faf du Plessis 635 633 2023 Royal Challengers Bangalore Faf du Plessis Virat Kohli 730 639 2025 Gujarat Titans Sai Sudharsan Shubman Gill 617 601 2026 Gujarat Titans Sai Sudharsan Shubman Gill 652 618 Edited May 29 by tapandrun
zen Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) There is a difference between a team looking good on paper and on field. On field performances have brought the team into the final. GT’s fortune improved once it brought Holder in place of Philips. At this point, its 4 OS slots are locked - Buttler, Holder, Rashid, and Rabada. Indian slots go to Gill, Sudarshan, Sundar, Tewatia (usually an impact player), and Siraj. In the last few games, GT has backed Sindhu. Then it rotates a couple of spots among the 5th and 6th bowlers - Krishna, Ashok, Arshad, Sai K, etc. Only open area is if it can play an Indian batsman (one from Rawat, Kushagra, etc) in place of the 6th bowler as Sundar and maybe even Sindhu can bowl too. Picking an 11 should not be about following a formula (to appear good on paper) but utilizing the best possible inform players in the squad, leveraging on their strengths, to make an impact on the field. Edited May 30 by zen tweaker 1
Ultimate_Game Posted May 30 Posted May 30 GT only has Plan A, i.e. the top order scoring runs and bowlers defending the par or slightly above par scores. But they're extremely consistent with Plan A and almost always perform as per plan. They look like SA team of 90s who're predictably consistent. They won't blow away opponents like SRH, RR or PBKS but they're much more consistent just like CSK teams of early 2020s which had no business winning IPL and still won twice with likes of Watson, Rayudu, Uthappa, Ruturaj, Jadeja, Dube. tweaker 1
zen Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: GT only has Plan A, i.e. the top order scoring runs and bowlers defending the par or slightly above par scores. But they're extremely consistent with Plan A and almost always perform as per plan. They look like SA team of 90s who're predictably consistent. They won't blow away opponents like SRH, RR or PBKS but they're much more consistent just like CSK teams of early 2020s which had no business winning IPL and still won twice with likes of Watson, Rayudu, Uthappa, Ruturaj, Jadeja, Dube. GT has blown away opponents too like bowling out SRH for 80 odd runs and beating CSK by 80 odd runs. Appears as if having multiple plans, per your formula, did not help those teams with such plans from getting eliminated. And if other teams do not have multiple plans, there is no point in saying team X does not. Your post appears to be based on personal preferences and assumptions. Edited May 30 by zen
vvvslaxman Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) These are the stats for Season 2024/2025/2026. This kind of consistency from two openers is unheard of. NO partnership in IPL history is this good. Best partnerships in IPL history Edited May 30 by vvvslaxman
Suhaan Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) GT in Ahmedabad are super strong RCB has a huge task in front of them Edited May 30 by Suhaan
Sooda Posted May 30 Author Posted May 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, zen said: GT has blown away opponents too like bowling out SRH for 80 odd runs and beating CSK by 80 odd runs. Appears as if having multiple plans, per your formula, did not help those teams with such plans from getting eliminated. And if other teams do not have multiple plans, there is no point in saying team X does not. Your post appears to be based on personal preferences and assumptions. Well in the batting they do have one plan which is hope to God the openers click, which are they are and then some. But The attack is very good , every base covered. They got in a specialist spinner in Sai who didn't even bowl, what a waste of his talent. I would say Kushagra is a better T20 bat than Sindhu but not much in it. And yes Can't drop any of the current OS players, in hindsight Edited May 30 by Sooda
Sooda Posted May 30 Author Posted May 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, zen said: There is a difference between a team looking good on paper and on field. On field performances have brought the team into the final. GT’s fortune improved once it brought Holder in place of Philips. At this point, its 4 OS slots are locked - Buttler, Holder, Rashid, and Rabada. Indian slots go to Gill, Sudarshan, Sundar, Tewatia (usually an impact player), and Siraj. In the last few games, GT has backed Sindhu. Then it rotates a couple of spots among the 5th and 6th bowlers - Krishna, Ashok, Arshad, Sai K, etc. Only open area is if it can play an Indian batsman (one from Rawat, Kushagra, etc) in place of the 6th bowler as Sundar and maybe even Sindhu can bowl too. Picking an 11 should not be about following a formula (to appear good on paper) but utilizing the best possible inform players in the squad, leveraging on their strengths, to make an impact on the field. All of which doesn't change the fact that they are hugely reliant on their openers and need middle order depth in batting. The openers got out for not alot Vs Duffy, Hazelwood and Bhuvi the other day and the team lost chasing a big score; that's the risk. Need one even two good Indian MO bat one to come in for Sindhu (who yes is an all rounder but doesn't even bowl) Edited May 30 by Sooda
zen Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Sooda said: Well in the batting they do have one plan which is hope to God the openers click, which are they are and then some. But The attack is very good , every base covered. They got in a specialist spinner in Sai who didn't even bowl, what a waste of his talent. I would say Kushagra is a better T20 bat than Sindhu but not much in it. And yes Can't drop any of the current OS players, in hindsight Almost every team depends on 2-3 batsmen (or bowlers depending on how the squad is set up). If a team has more batting depth, their bowing would likely suffer. For GT those 2-3 batsmen happen to play in the top order. For example RCB has batting depth but relatively poor bowling depth with just a few good bowlers. GT has more bowling depth and a dependency on a few good batsmen. RR can struggle if you take away Sooryavanshi’s performances. MI is more or less depended on one bowler - Bumrah. CSK had no real bowlers apart from likes of Noor. In batting too, it was dependent on Samson firing. PBKS has no dependable bowlers. The hacks are relatively inconsistent so once they ran out of steam, the team failed to make it to the playoff. Because of auction dynamics, teams cannot have it all. There is no perfect team especially with 12 teams now where the talent is spread out across more teams. They have to rely on unknown or domestic players to come good. Many times, a team is formed based on how the squad shapes up. So every team has some sort of dependency on a few players in either batting or bowling based on how the squad is formed. Many times, teams use unconventional ways like backing a younger or giving more responsibilities to an AR. As for GT, once they decide to back a player, it gives them a relatively long rope. Kushagra was tried but he did not appear to be big hitter. But he (or Rawat) can be played in place of the additional bowler. IPL is not necessarily about what you lack (as all teams lack something) but about how you get the best out of what you have. Edited May 30 by zen
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