Zanjeer Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is the first conviction in India without circumstantial evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is the first conviction in India without circumstantial evidence. You mean Based Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 So now they face life imprisonment to death penalty. There would be appeals to HC and SC, where judgments most likely be reversed. But in meanwhile would be difficult for Talwars to get bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 sad episode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanjeer Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 You mean Based yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 So now they face life imprisonment to death penalty. There would be appeals to HC and SC' date=' where judgments most likely be reversed. But in meanwhile would be difficult for Talwars to get bail.[/quote'] Sometime Indian legal system looks very scary.First police charged the father but then in few days they said we did not find any evidence. Then CBI file closure report pointing fingers at Talwars but said we don't have any solid evidence. Then case reopen no new evidence found but based on evidence of first report court convicted the couple. If case was clear then UP police was right from the begining and they should had proceed with case rather than giving it to CBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Double shocker for #Tehelka today. Tarun Tejpal is known to be a close family friend of Nupur and Rajesh Talwar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sometime Indian legal system looks very scary.First police charged the father but then in few days they said we did not find any evidence. Then CBI file closure report pointing fingers at Talwars but said we don't have any solid evidence. Then case reopen no new evidence found but based on evidence of first report court convicted the couple. If case was clear then UP police was right from the begining and they should had proceed with case rather than giving it to CBI Indeed. A ridiculous verdict given the evidence or lack of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sometime Indian legal system looks very scary.First police charged the father but then in few days they said we did not find any evidence. Then CBI file closure report pointing fingers at Talwars but said we don't have any solid evidence. Then case reopen no new evidence found but based on evidence of first report court convicted the couple. If case was clear then UP police was right from the begining and they should had proceed with case rather than giving it to CBI This is most shocking part. Same set of evidences which were deemed not enough even to initiate a trial by one group of legal experts, have been found enough to hold couple responsible beyond any reasonable doubt, by other legal expert. It is very clear now that increasing trend of media trials in public domain have started clouding minds of judiciary. This judge probably would have thought, directly or indirectly, if Talwar's are acquitted than it would lead to another movie called, No body killed Arushi. After years of discussions in media, whole criminal justice system (including police, investigating agencies, and judiciary) had to find somebody who killed both of them. There was no way out for them and they found killers so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is most shocking part. Same set of evidences which were deemed not enough even to initiate a trial by one group of legal experts, have been found enough to hold couple responsible beyond any reasonable doubt, by other legal expert. It is very clear now that increasing trend of media trials in public domain have started clouding minds of judiciary. This judge probably would have thought, directly or indirectly, if Talwar's are acquitted than it would lead to another movie called, No body killed Arushi. After years of discussions in media, whole criminal justice system (including police, investigating agencies, and judiciary) had to find somebody who killed both of them. There was no way out for them and they found killers so. If in future Talwars got acquitted then I don't think many people will put pressure on police or want justice for their loved ones who got killed. Society may start thinking that let police close the case O/W they may accuse us of murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Good judgment. People shouldn't be allowed to get away because they had plenty of time and resources to destroy evidence. Both of them are ruthless psychopaths (not because they probably killed in impulse) who went about using every powerful influence they had to destroy evidence against themselves and to divert attention to others . Honor killings don't deserve forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Was this a case judicial bias against Talwars ? This will go for appeal. Have to read the judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Good judgment. People shouldn't be allowed to get away because they had plenty of time and resources to destroy evidence. Both of them are ruthless psychopaths (not because they probably killed in impulse) who went about using every powerful influence they had to destroy evidence against themselves and to divert attention to others . Honor killings don't deserve forgiveness. I am more inclined to believe this version. The circumstantial evidence, the motive, etc seem to be much against the Talwars than anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I am more inclined to believe this version. The circumstantial evidence' date=' the motive, etc seem to be much against the Talwars than anyone else[/quote'] I think world would certainly a better place if people stop "believing" and start "knowing". What compelled the courts to come to this decision ? How was motif defined ? All answers in copy of judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 surgical knife period. should be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I am more inclined to believe this version. The circumstantial evidence' date=' the motive, etc seem to be much against the Talwars than anyone else[/quote'] Even prosecution didn't use this version to get this couple convicted. Honor killing aspect has been fanned by people with vested interested and to sensationalize things. There is nothing in evidence nor in behavior to suggest it was such a case. Following is version of prosecution which got this couple convicted http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/aarushitalwarmurdermystery/aarushi-murder-case-cbi-s-claims-and-talwars-defence/article1-1155717.aspx Even this version, if believed, says that Arushi got killed accidently by hands of his parents. Not as planned "honor killing" In other way, doesn't this version say that Hemraj killed when he was trying to commit rape on girl? As per our law, minor girl are not eligible to give consent and any sexual act amount to rape. Why Talwars should be punished for their attempts to stop rape. I have read elsewhere that Judge has given this verdict probably with the assumption that it would be over turned by higher courts. and that process would ensure that Talwar's go through at least few years of Jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Midnight to morning: CBI version • Around midnight, Rajesh hears a noise. Goes to Hemraj’s room, does not find him. Picks up one of two golf-clubs in Hemraj’s room. Finds noise coming from Aarushi’s room. Door or her room ajar. • Talwar sees Hemraj and Aarushi in an intimate position. Rajesh lands a blow on Hemraj’s head. Deals second blow but Hemraj’s head shifts. Blow lands on Aarushi’s forehead. Lands repeated blows. Hemraj falls to floor. • Nupur wakes up, arrives in room. They check Aarushi’s pulse, finds her almost dead. • They wrap Hemraj’s body in bedsheet, take it to terrace using stairs. Drag him to a corner, slash his throat with a small surgical instrument. They cover Hemraj’s body with the panel of a cooler. Couple returns downstairs, gets another bedsheet and use it as a curtain to hide body from neighbours. Lock terrace door from inside. • They go to Aarushi’s room, rearrange items disturbed during incident. They slash her throat with a sharp weapon to ensure wound looks similar to that of Hemraj’s. Nupur cleans Aarushi’s private parts, puts back clothes on her. They clean the rest of the mess at the scene of the crime. Accidently hit Aarushi theory may be believable but still there are unanswered questions 1) Were those parents so stubborn that they did not take Aarushi to hospital? 2) Which stupid will hide the body on the roof and then launch FIR 3)Why did not they threw the body from roof top and cried rape if their only motive was to save their skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Good judgment. People shouldn't be allowed to get away because they had plenty of time and resources to destroy evidence. Both of them are ruthless psychopaths (not because they probably killed in impulse) who went about using every powerful influence they had to destroy evidence against themselves and to divert attention to others . Honor killings don't deserve forgiveness. I am more inclined to believe this version. The circumstantial evidence' date=' the motive, etc seem to be much against the Talwars than anyone else[/quote'] The justice system does not work that way. At least, is not supposed to work that way. There are different levels of evidence needed in different types of cases. In civil cases, preponderance of evidence is usually enough for a judgement, but in criminal cases, it's not. In criminal cases, one needs proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" to rule to accused as guilty. In such cases, it's important to prove motive and show impeccable evidence that shows that the murder could not have happened in any other way. It's so because circumstantial evidence is known to be seriously misleading if we allow ourselves to theorize after them. Just like in cricket, the benefit of doubt must go to the accused. Judges decline to convict even if there are a few things on the crime scene that can not be explained. This is a classic example of a case where evidence is simply not adequate to explain everything related to the case and where the crime has not been proved beyond any reasonable doubt. I know that if you read the details of the case, the parents look like they are guilty. But a court of law can not convict a man of murder based on likeliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 There are too many loopholes in prosecution's case..I think police have concluded that the body has not been dragged to the terrace as there were no blood stains on the floor and he was killed in terrace. Also what about Nupur's call to Hemaraj's mobile that went through for 2 seconds or something next morning? Unless both are psychopaths, I cant realistically think parents committed two murders and did everything like a professional to destroy the evidence and acted like nothing happened next morning until the maid came ? This case is sham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidhoni Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Life sentence for Talwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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