Afghanistan tour of India | 3 ODIs | June 13th, 17th, 20th | 1:30 pm IST | Dharamshala, Ekana, Chepauk | Star Sports, Jio Hotstar

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, Norman said:

Some really dumb posts here. Have people really forgotten the Meek Depressed KL Era of 2019-2023? 

 

Or are they just pretending to ignore it to put Shreyas down? 

We have 10 year sample. India lost every single world cup KL Rahul featured in. He was one of the primary reason as well. 4 world cups T20 and ODI. Once we got rid of him in 2024 we won our first world cup. 

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

People overhype Iyer here way too much

Not even seen with Dhoni,Kohli or Rohit

Iyer hasn't done anything remotely close to those 3 still gets God level treatment,it's funny to see actually 

Hope he gets kicked out of our T20 xi for he definitely makes it weaker

IN this thread he is getting trtolled more than hyped.  

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bigger problems in this ODI team. Sundar quietly escapes scrutiny yet again. One over, 19 runs. Is he playing as specialist batsman then? Because it is clear that TM/Gill don't see any bowling potential in him. 

 

He is Jadeja 2.0, without the fielding prowess. Absolute liability. 

He is not even fit to be no.8. As i said Badoni will bring more to table than Sundar. Not like i rate Badoni. He can offer the same off spin. He can be more effective with bat than him as a specialist. He is a gun fielder

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He is not even fit to be no.8. As i said Badoni will bring more to table than Sundar. Not like i rate Badoni. He can offer the same off spin. He can be more effective with bat than him as a specialist. He is a gun fielder

I wish Sundar would just focus on red ball. Play in CC (even if low standard), then Ranji, send in 500 overs every year in FC (not test cricket). Results will show. 

 

Harmer looked the part in the series last year because he has 1000 FC wickets under his belt. Spinner has to send in over after over, even after the fingers give up. 

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[Suhaan]

18 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Exactly.  He is utter garb*ge.  Can't handle decent spin, can't handle short pitch medium pace stuff.  Will get badly exposed in WC2027 in SA.  Won't last 10 balls against any half decent side.  No one (outside of Ind) really rates him as a batter.  

He is not that much a problem in odis though,

We don't have any option and that too better than him in MO(which is the most sought after position not even for us but also for most sides)

He has issues against bounce,but he has shown he can manage it in odis,also last WC and CT were SC events so he had no issues

Let's see how he does in SA,as the pitches are ICC curated,the local clay and soil inherently produce high bounce and pace

Johannesburg,Newlands,Durban may well hold their true characteristics,he's quite loose at times,falls short of finishing games

My only problem with him is in t20s,he should not have been there,captain or no captain

[Frustrated]

Our current GOAT T20 team is highly likely to be destroyed shortly by S Iyer.  It will really be a miracle if it doesn't.  The guy was NEVER a part of our T20 side.  Now he has been handed over captaincy.      His absence is the reason we won back to back WT20s.  

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Weight of history is against Rahul. 19 SF, 21 and 22 T20 WCs. 

 

Iyer has played just 2 ICC events. 

Kela against non minnows T20 world cup 

 

5 matches 39 runs 7.8 average 76.47 strike rate with a few maiden overs as well.  In ODI world cup. 

 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Frustrated said:

Our current GOAT T20 team is highly likely to be destroyed shortly by S Iyer.  It will really be a miracle if it doesn't.  The guy was NEVER a part of our T20 side.  Now he has been handed over captaincy.      His absence is the reason we won back to back WT20s.  

Enough time till 28 LA. I think T20 team will sort itself by then, including captain. 

 

I hold Bombay lobby responsible for this stupid decision. 

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Our current GOAT T20 team is highly likely to be destroyed shortly by S Iyer.  It will really be a miracle if it doesn't.  The guy was NEVER a part of our T20 side.  Now he has been handed over captaincy.      His absence is the reason we won back to back WT20s.  

Just check his SR ,he played last one for us back in 2023,so be it

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

He is not that much a problem in odis though,

We don't have any option and that too better than him in MO(which is the most sought after position not even for us but also for most sides)

He has issues against bounce,but he has shown he can manage it in odis,also last WC and CT were SC events so he had no issues

Let's see how he does in SA,as the pitches are ICC curated,the local clay and soil inherently produce high bounce and pace

Johannesburg,Newlands,Durban may well hold their true characteristics,he's quite loose at times,falls short of finishing games

My only problem with him is in t20s,he should not have been there,captain or no captain

 

He is replacing SKY who never delivered in any big T20 games in his entire career. Played 4 T20 world cups. Gill is not an option either. Samson is the only other option. But Samson playing without any pressure of captaincy is good for him.He also keeps. Let us not screw it up by handing him over captaincy. He is in very good space right now. Pandya will completely ruin our team.  He is mainly coming in for captaincy . He just has to do better than SKY which is not a tall order here.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kela against non minnows T20 world cup 

 

5 matches 39 runs 7.8 average 76.47 strike rate with a few maiden overs as well.  In ODI world cup. 

 

One semi-decent CT and all is forgiven here it seems. 

 

Two worst ICC events I witnessed were 21 and 22 T20 WCs, and KL was the primary culprit. Outdated, stale batting approach straight from 2000s, in fact worse because even back then no one would play maidens in first over. That Adelaide massacre did a world of good for Indian cricket, 1st ball KL got a 4 and deadbatted next 5. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Enough time till 28 LA. I think T20 team will sort itself by then, including captain. 

 

I hold Bombay lobby responsible for this stupid decision. 

Ashwin repeatedly shared if will be a travesty if Iyer doesn't captain. So he did have backing from everyone including Ian Bishop. Having seen him lead 3 different sides to finals.  Among the rookies nobody looks captaincy material. Sanju is the only viable option. Personally i don't want Sanju to ruin his form by accepting captaincy.

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin repeatedly shared if will be a travesty if Iyer doesn't captain. So he did have backing from everyone including Ian Bishop. Having seen him lead 3 different sides to finals.  Among the rookies nobody looks captaincy material. Sanju is the only viable option. Personally i don't want Sanju to ruin his form by accepting captaincy.

Ashwin's view here, from last week. Clearly doesn't agree with the decision. 

 

 

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[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He is replacing SKY who never delivered in any big T20 games in his entire career. Played 4 T20 world cups. Gill is not an option either. Samson is the only other option. But Samson playing without any pressure of captaincy is good for him.He also keeps. Let us not screw it up by handing him over captaincy. He is in very good space right now. Pandya will completely ruin our team.  He is mainly coming in for captaincy . He just has to do better than SKY which is not a tall order here.

That is no logic,he's replacing SKY!

Bring in Vaibhav,push Kishan down one spot

As you said SKY is not the scale to measure,we don't need someone just better than SKY

Vaibhav-Abhi combo is more fruitful than having Iyer in the middle

We shouldn't be compromising on Abhi Kishan Samson combo,good space or bad space,I don't think Kishan or Samson would mind leading

Hopefully they are just having a look in,if he fails ,he won't get a long rope

 

Edited June 13 by Suhaan

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

One semi-decent CT and all is forgiven here it seems. 

 

Two worst ICC events I witnessed were 21 and 22 T20 WCs, and KL was the primary culprit. Outdated, stale batting approach straight from 2000s, in fact worse because even back then no one would play maidens in first over. That Adelaide massacre did a world of good for Indian cricket, 1st ball KL got a 4 and deadbatted next 5. 

I  admit he is probably the technically best batsman in the side. ALso the worst mental midget we have had on par with DK.  Even in ODIs against bigger sides his strike rate drastically goes down. He averages fine. Given that 2019 and 2023 world cup were held on some of the easiest batting surfaces one would have expected him having abetter strike rate. Against non minnows it is under 80.  When there was an actual need of playing long tuk tuk innings was necessary in 2019 world cup semi final  he went missing.  Pant was going to take over his place in ODI set up. Few things happened at the right time for him.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Ashwin's view here, from last week. Clearly doesn't agree with the decision. 

 

 

 

Not necessarily captaincy i think he wants him to be part of T20 set up

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

Ashwin also said Rohit and Kohli playing 2027 wc is a no brainer, but that doesnt suit your agenda. 
 

 

 

He didn't say that.

 

"In my experience of how these things pan out, it is pretty straightforward: if the management wants both of them at the 50-over World Cup in South Africa and if there is enough energy around it, it is very much possible to keep them on the park and utilize their experience," Ashwin told ESPNcricinfo.

[Chaos]

Just saw gill sold telugu lion rohit a dummy there with run out. So 100 not deserved

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

That is no logic,he's replacing SKY!

Bring in Vaibhav,push Kishan down one spot

As you said SKY is not the scale to measure,we don't need someone just better than SKY

Vaibhav-Abhi combo is more fruitful than having Iyer in the middle

We shouldn't be compromising on Abhi Kishan Samson combo,good space or bad space,I don't think Kishan or Samson would mind leading

Hopefully they are just having a look in,if he fails ,he won't get a long rope

 

 

If you don't have a personnel manage all this you will see big teams under-performing.    Vaibhav, Abhi, Samson all three will play. Iyer is replacing SKY. That's it. If Vaibhav comes in that will be at the expense of either Dube or Tilak.  

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

If you don't have a personnel manage all this you will see big teams under-performing.    Vaibhav, Abhi, Samson all three will play. Iyer is replacing SKY. That's it. If Vaibhav comes in that will be at the expense of either Dube or Tilak.  

Dube or Tilak in the t20 side >>Iyer in the side

It's no different than having Gill as VC not even as a regular member, let's see how long will they hold this experiment

Edited June 13 by Suhaan