Cricketics Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 http://in.news.yahoo.com/32/20090202/1053/tnl-muslims-want-quota-in-jobs-education.html can't believe that some of the leaders are saying "Do we need any proof of Muslim backwardness? The community is suffering from alienation and deep frustration." WTF???? as if they are being denied any job or college basd on their religion. WE DON'T NEED ANY QUOTA SYSTEM IN HINDUSTAN
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Same ***** muslims spew all over the world.. bloody morosn are never happy with equal opporunity.. in past they enjoyed preferential treatment under islamist rulers they expect the same now.. some mofo politician who wud sell his wife/mother/daughter for few votes is lapping it all up
Guest Hiten. Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 I hope the govt. shows them a finger and asks them to earn their job rather than depending on BS quota system. While we are at it, remove the schedule cast BS altogether too.
Sachinism Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Its a shame that the UK is bowing down to requests like this Hopefully India doesn't do something similar
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 I hope the govt. shows them a finger and asks them to earn their job rather than depending on BS quota system. While we are at it' date=' remove the schedule cast BS altogether too.[/quote'] well andhra has that already
fineleg Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 I hope the govt. shows them a finger and asks them to earn their job rather than depending on BS quota system. While we are at it' date=' remove the schedule cast BS altogether too.[/quote'] Agree
Desi Cartman Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 if dailts are poor / uneducated and deserve reservation then logically IF muslims have the same issues then why not ? IMO there should be no reservation but there should be free education for poor .. thats all
cowboysfan Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 if dailts are poor / uneducated and deserve reservation then logically IF muslims have the same issues then why not ? IMO there should be no reservation but there should be free education for poor .. thats all there is free education for all children till 14 but it doesnt help as the standard is poor.
The Outsider Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It's a pretty natural demand given the fact that reservation exists on the basis of caste - if on the basis of caste why not on the basis of religion?
DomainK Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It's a pretty natural demand given the fact that reservation exists on the basis of caste - if on the basis of caste why not on the basis of religion? Exactly!!
cochise Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It's an interesting question. In the case of caste, there may be a case for positive discrimination due to the fact that they have endured a very long spell of discrimination against them. Now, the question is, do the muslims in India face the same issue? Are muslims discriminated against as far as education, employment opportunites and in general? This is the question that must be answered. We have the stated "fact" of muslim backwardness, that supposedly cannot be denied. Let's take it as a given. Is this fact causally connected to negative discrimination against them or does it arise due to other factors? If their backwardness arises due to discrimination against them based on their religion, then the same argument that is advanced for caste based positive discrimination can be advanced in favour of muslims (I am not endorsing it, merely stating the argument) If however the root of their backwardness cannot be established to be caused significantly by discrimination against them, then positive discrimination is not necessarily going to help, as it does not address directly the underlying cause of their backwardness. Nor can we equivocate on the two issues. Maybe resident Indians can provide some insights on why they think muslims are backward? Are they really discriminated against in India, by non-muslims, in educational opportunities, in government and private sectors?
triam Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 The root of discrimination in modern India has always been and will always be "Class" as defined by money. Show the money and get things done, this works in every place. In most places a rich looking dude will get treated differently than a poor looking dude.
Guest Hiten. Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It's a pretty natural demand given the fact that reservation exists on the basis of caste - if on the basis of caste why not on the basis of religion? People who are demanding reserved quota for their community should also realize the discrimination that comes with the quota system (not that they don't complain about discrimination in the first place). For me, anyone who seeks reserved quota for being backward (racially/religiously) is impotent and not capable of surviving in this cruel world. If anything these guys should ask for free education and proper studying facilities. Getting into job sectors should be left up to the bosses who are out there to evaluate their qualifications. What harm have I done to this world if I am born in a bourgeoisie family ? Why don't I get into some quota system and book my job before graduating ?
punjabi_khota Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 The reason of their backwardness is their own religion and nothing else. The Hindu majority of India has NOT historically repressed the muslims. They have never been denied any opportunities just because they are Muslims. The only thing keeping them back is their own religious beliefs, which are not going to go away even if the reservations are provided.
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Even in Britain these punks are lagging behind their hindu counterpart so do they need reservation their too.. ironically they are doing better in one of the most maligned state by psec pests that is Gujraat.. Moral of the story freaking get your acts togeher indian constitution doesn't discriminate against anyone.. I have always asked and will ask again.. let me know when some medersaah grad gets into iit and denied admission just because he is muslim.. till that happens am not buying this discrimination nonsense.. You are discriminating against yourself by spending too much time memorizing some garbage instead of studying math and science
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It's a pretty natural demand given the fact that reservation exists on the basis of caste - if on the basis of caste why not on the basis of religion? Ignorant or prenteding to be ignorant?? Caste based reservation is because for ages SC/ST have been deprived opportunity.. OTOH mullahs have for thousand years enjoyed preferential treatment.. Despite that they are at the bottom everywhere be it britain or india.. You don't get compensated for that
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 if dailts are poor / uneducated and deserve reservation then logically IF muslims have the same issues then why not ? IMO there should be no reservation but there should be free education for poor .. thats all Dalits are not being compensated for being poor they are being compensated for thousands of years of institutinailized exploitation.. Nwo if anyone can prove mullahs have suffered thsi then the question of reservation for them will be entertained.. PS: Certain Mullah caste liike ansari Nonia etc already enjoy reservation
hassan_113 Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I don't agree with it. Equal for everybody, not special quotas for anybody! :-)
The Outsider Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 People who are demanding reserved quota for their community should also realize the discrimination that comes with the quota system (not that they don't complain about discrimination in the first place). For me, anyone who seeks reserved quota for being backward (racially/religiously) is impotent and not capable of surviving in this cruel world. If anything these guys should ask for free education and proper studying facilities. Getting into job sectors should be left up to the bosses who are out there to evaluate their qualifications. What harm have I done to this world if I am born in a bourgeoisie family ? Why don't I get into some quota system and book my job before graduating ? Completely agree. I was not supporting their demand for reservation, but saying that if one group can keep on getting reservation after 60+ years with no end in sight, everyone is entitled to demand it. Just get rid of all reservations.
The Outsider Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Ignorant or prenteding to be ignorant?? Caste based reservation is because for ages SC/ST have been deprived opportunity.. OTOH mullahs have for thousand years enjoyed preferential treatment.. Despite that they are at the bottom everywhere be it britain or india.. You don't get compensated for that It's been 60+ years and reservations increase every year for one group and caste or another with no end in sight. I am willing to bet we won't see an end to them in our lifetimes. In such a scenario, every group can be expected to ask for their share.
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