Squad for NZ tour announced

[Ram]

Badrinath should have been given a chance. they should have replaced him with Rohit Sharma in ODI squad. Rohit has been nuking binary digits from a while now...

Totally agree.

[Desi Cartman]

How was RP doing in the domestic games ?

[Chandan]

Bowling gets Rohit Sharma in over other young batsmen waiting in the wings. Cricinfo says M Vijay is in and no Badri. But Chandan says otherwsie. Who is correct? Badri has only himself to blame.

CR, Both cricinfo and cric nivana had Badri in their initial squad and they even wrote that Karthik can double up as the opener if need arose. But I see that both have changed it back to M Vijay. Glad that a young batsman will be getting exposure!!

[Mr. Wicket]

How was RP doing in the domestic games ?

Poorly. Looked average when he played, not swinging it and getting average pace. Not convinced Rohit should be in the ODI squad (I'd rather see him in the test squad for exposure, given his outstanding f/c form lately). Meanwhile, quite disappointed that Vijay has been picked over people out performing him recently. His opening partner Abhinav Mukund has outbatted him a number of times, Rahane has been sensational and Pujara had a tremendous season again. I'd have rather seen any one of those in lieu of Vijay. He's had lots of starts this f/c season, but rarely ever carries on with anything to a big score, unlike the other three. (Even the one instance when he scored a big double, Mukund outdid him with a 300.)

[Lord]

strange team whats the news on RP?is he fit,if he is ,its stupid to leave him out. why select munaf again?he breaks down too many times is a terrible fielder n batsman and at best is a line n length bowler.PK can do that n swing it both ways too. n wat has balaji done to merit a test spot ahead of irfan,PK?

[Chandan]

Not convinced Rohit should be in the ODI squad (I'd rather see him in the test squad for exposure, given his outstanding f/c form lately).

Agree. Even I would like to see him in the test squad as a reseve batsman and #6 in ODIs he is just wasting himself. He is not those slam bang batsman right from the word go. And I can't forget his tons vs Australia and Ranji trophy final. He should have been a part of test team instead.

Meanwhile, quite disappointed that Vijay has been picked over people out performing him recently. His opening partner Abhinav Mukund has outbatted him a number of times, Rahane has been sensational and Pujara had a tremendous season again. I'd have rather seen any one of those in lieu of Vijay. He's had lots of starts this f/c season, but rarely ever carries on with anything to a big score, unlike the other three. (Even the one instance when he scored a big double, Mukund outdid him with a 300.)

Here also I agree with you. But there is no harm in giving exposure to a guy who you see as reseve opener. We are yet to find out how Gambhir will fare outside subcontinent. God forbid if he loses form there or fails to cope with the swing , then? M Vijay looked quite compact in handling the Aussie bowlers.

strange team whats the news on RP?is he fit,if he is ,its stupid to leave him out. why select munaf again?he breaks down too many times is a terrible fielder n batsman and at best is a line n length bowler.PK can do that n swing it both ways too. n wat has balaji done to merit a test spot ahead of irfan,PK?

RP Singh was to go through the fitness test yesterday. But I do not know if he passed it or not. Why select Munaf? Because he is the third best seamer in the country and will be an ideal first change bowler. No one is quite as economical as he is as the first change. Balaji and Dhawal had a stellar domestic season while PK came a cropper in FC games. You can go and check Ranji stats. PK is best only with the new ball and is hammered the moment the new ball stops swinging. Therefore it is quite wise to choose him as the ODI specialist. Irfan could have been chosen but he failed to get the same swing which he used to, earlier and has lost pace considerablt. He this gets hammered more often than not in the longer version when the balls stops swinging for him.

[Sachinism]

Badri must feel suicidal What more can he do? Can't believe sreesanth didn't get picked

[Lord]

RP Singh was to go through the fitness test yesterday. But I do not know if he passed it or not. Why select Munaf? Because he is the third best seamer in the country and will be an ideal first change bowler. No one is quite as economical as he is as the first change.

thats exactly my point.in tests u dont need economical bowlers,u need bowlers that can bowl long spells n run thru a side.i dont think munaf can do that. in ODIs too ,he can be economical at best at take 1-2 wickets.after that he is a complete liability.i dont want such one dimensonal cricketers in an ODI team.

Balaji and Dhawal had a stellar domestic season while PK came a cropper in FC games. You can go and check Ranji stats. PK is best only with the new ball and is hammered the moment the new ball stops swinging. Therefore it is quite wise to choose him as the ODI specialist. Irfan could have been chosen but he failed to get the same swing which he used to, earlier and has lost pace considerablt. He this gets hammered more often than not in the longer version when the balls stops swinging for him.

u mention that irfan has lost pace n swing but ignore balaji has also done that.he isnt much quicker either.i'm happy for Dhawal kulkarni,fully desrves his place.about bowling with old ball ,i dont think balaji,munaf ca reverse it too,even if they do,at thier pace,its gonna be manageable.

[sandeep]

No Irfan for tests? Do they know something about his form that we don't? This is the guy who helped us win a key test in Oz last year. He would given the test team the perfect balance.

[Lord]

Badri must feel suicidal What more can he do? Can't believe sreesanth didn't get picked

ya ,bad for him,but i feel it is the rite decision.we need to look ahead n invest in youth.i'm surprised that Rohit hasnt been selected for tests n is picked for ODIs

[diegovegaz]

sreesanth should have been there in place of balaji he needs to be playing all three formats rpsingh, if not in tests, is a must in odis he had cleared the fitness test, so there is no reason why the selectors ignored him if they want him to be match fit, why did they pick harbhajan then?? he too is coming after an injury(no questions about bhajji's place in the side as the lead spinneri) rudra pratap is our best bowler in the death overs(with the new ball as well), has the ability to bowl deceiving slower ones and excellent yorkers i would definately rate him higher than zaheer and ishant for odis he was instrumental in india's T20 success in SA as well as India badrinath could have been drafted in the test squad, and robin in the odi and T20 squad i don't know where the selectors are heading!!!

[Chandan]

thats exactly my point.in tests u dont need economical bowlers,u need bowlers that can bowl long spells n run thru a side.i dont think munaf can do that. in ODIs too ,he can be economical at best at take 1-2 wickets.after that he is a complete liability.i dont want such one dimensonal cricketers in an ODI team.

Tests are played with red ball not white ball. And if you want your two strike bowlers to go all out, you will need a bowler who can bowl economically while the ball the semi new and snare a wicket or two. Munaf can do that fully well. And he can bowl long spells. You can check his FC records.

u mention that irfan has lost pace n swing but ignore balaji has also done that.he isnt much quicker either.i'm happy for Dhawal kulkarni,fully desrves his place.about bowling with old ball ,i dont think balaji,munaf ca reverse it too,even if they do,at thier pace,its gonna be manageable.

Balaji has lost pace and fair amount of it. But he still bowled 50 overs in an inning and took the lions share of wickets for TN. Irfan couldn't do that for Baroda unfortunately. But I've no doubt that Irfan will force into the team soon if he gets his swing back. And you forgot Munaf's reverse swing bowling in his early matches?

[Desi Cartman]

I kind of agree with the selectors .. It seems they are trying to find players who can play for a long time and in all conditions. RP is a liability in non helpful conditions for swing , PK cant do much once the ball is 20 overs old .. IMO if IKP does well in ODIs then they might get him to stay for the tests as well ..

[Lord]

Tests are played with red ball not white ball. And if you want your two strike bowlers to go all out, you will need a bowler who can bowl economically while the ball the semi new and snare a wicket or two. Munaf can do that fully well. And he can bowl long spells. You can check his FC records.

yes munaf can do that,but he isnt the only one who can do that.in NZ conditions,anybody like irfan,RP,PK can do that.and they will be handy after thier spells too, in the field n with the bat.as for econmical part,our spinners can do that job fairly well.

Balaji has lost pace and fair amount of it. But he still bowled 50 overs in an inning and took the lions share of wickets for TN. Irfan couldn't do that for Baroda unfortunately. But I've no doubt that Irfan will force into the team soon if he gets his swing back. And you forgot Munaf's reverse swing bowling in his early matches?

in NZ ,u wont need to bowl 50 overs,so wats the point considering that?wat u need to look is who would utilise conditions better n would be more useful for the team.i think irfan suits the requirement more. and i havent forgotten munaf's reverse swing in his early games.those reverse swinging yorkers,bowled at 140ks ,i remember them all, but i doubt munaf is same bowler

[Mr. Wicket]

Here also I agree with you. But there is no harm in giving exposure to a guy who you see as reseve opener. We are yet to find out how Gambhir will fare outside subcontinent. God forbid if he loses form there or fails to cope with the swing ' date=' then? M Vijay looked quite compact in handling the Aussie bowlers.[/quote'] Vijay's a FTB from what I've seen. Hits through the line nicely on flat pitches, but he doesn't make big scores the way his competitors (Mukund, Rahane, etc) do and doesn't show the same consistency on all pitches. I'd rather take a Rahane or Pujara along, knowing we can at least pitch either in as a reserve opener (hell Rahane didn't do badly opening on greentops in NZ in his youth - http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/114/114624.html - check this out for starters) as both have f/c/U19 opening experience, or as Dinesh Karthik's also in the squad and hasn't done badly opening before abroad.

Balaji and Dhawal had a stellar domestic season while PK came a cropper in FC games. You can go and check Ranji stats. PK is best only with the new ball and is hammered the moment the new ball stops swinging.

Quoted for truth. Plus in Ranjis/Duleeps PK's a serious threat with the new ball but ineffective with the old; one reason why UP has lost both finals after getting key wickets early. (I remember in the final last yr against Delhi he had an amazing first spell and then couldn't capitalize after they were 15/3.) Dhawal and Balaji are a little more versatile w/ the old ball.

[Mr. Wicket]

Badri must feel suicidal What more can he do?

Make runs the next time he's given chances against international standard attacks. Hanging around the crease for torturously slow knocks like 2 off 21, 14 off 32 and 10 off 53 against an Australia/Australia A attack this season didn't help his cause. At that time, he had a very strong chance of moving into the test team. He did nothing in those knocks, whereas Yuvraj and Rohit both collared the Australia attack and even Parthiv, Jaffer and Irfan smashed a few runs. When everyone around you is scoring runs against an international outfit, but you're pottering around the crease and struggling to get it off the square...

[Ram]

Make runs the next time he's given chances against international standard attacks. Hanging around the crease for torturously slow knocks like 2 off 21, 14 off 32 and 10 off 53 against an Australia/Australia A attack this season didn't help his cause. At that time, he had a very strong chance of moving into the test team. He did nothing in those knocks, whereas Yuvraj and Rohit both collared the Australia attack and even Parthiv, Jaffer and Irfan smashed a few runs. When everyone around you is scoring runs against an international outfit, but you're pottering around the crease and struggling to get it off the square...

So a handful of crucial failures and thats it? So his astronomical consistency, the terabytes of runs in other matches, matches in which current India bowlers have played (they’re after all, I’nternational standard’ aren’t they?) don’t count for anything. Strange logic.

[Mr. Wicket]

Sad but true. This is the story of Muzumdar and KP Bhaskar , other domestic giants who performed in a ton of games but failed when the selectors were watching them closely/against international opposition. Happens to everyone. And heck, if you bully around domestic bowlers but just potter about the crease and do nothing v. Johnson, Tait and co. (that too while Parthiv and Irfan are belting runs with comfort), you look like a domestic bully. This is the way selection works.

[Chandan]

Marirs, I'll challenge you to show me one good knock of Badri against quality bowlers, be it for TN, or India A or BP XI.

[Sachinism]

Make runs the next time he's given chances against international standard attacks. Hanging around the crease for torturously slow knocks like 2 off 21, 14 off 32 and 10 off 53 against an Australia/Australia A attack this season didn't help his cause. At that time, he had a very strong chance of moving into the test team. He did nothing in those knocks, whereas Yuvraj and Rohit both collared the Australia attack and even Parthiv, Jaffer and Irfan smashed a few runs. When everyone around you is scoring runs against an international outfit, but you're pottering around the crease and struggling to get it off the square...

Completely different series' they scored runs in Since Australia what has Rohit done?