The only unresolved question of our team

[Fontaine]

I generally hold your views on fast bowling quite highly, but you got it wrong this time dude.

Thanks man, the feeling is mutual.

Pathan is faster than RPS? And gets more bounce than RPS? Watch this video; -Hwhn6kJOgM Same pitch, same conditions and same speed gun and RPS is atleast 8-10 kmph quicker than Irfan on average. And look at the bounce he got when he dismissed Gilchrist.

Yes, RP Singh was faster but I think Irfan was really trying to get as much swing as possible and dropped his pace down compared to when he was bowling in the T20s and didn't try for swing as much as was bowling around 135 plus for a lot of his deliveries. But maybe you're right.

[Anakin]

Irfan doesn't need to drop his pace down, that takes care of itself.

[bunny]

Guys, pls dont mix ODI and test cricket. Nobody is going to attack Munaf if he keeps bowling line and length all day. Some variety will help, but at present he is still a very good 3rd seamer and can control the flow of runs unlike the illustrious Zak.

[Lord]

Guys' date=' pls dont mix ODI and test cricket. Nobody is going to attack Munaf if he keeps bowling line and length all day. Some variety will help, but at present he is still a very good 3rd seamer and can control the flow of runs[b'] unlike the illustrious Zak.

wat do u mean?

[bunny]

wat do u mean?

I meant that even though Zak is a very good bowler, he cant control the flow of runs in test cricket.

[Lord]

I meant that even though Zak is a very good bowler' date=' he cant control the flow of runs in test cricket.[/quote'] BS.u r prolly thinking Zak of 4 yrs ago. now he can tie up batsmen at will.wen was the last time he got hit around in test?

[graphic23]

I meant that even though Zak is a very good bowler' date=' he cant control the flow of runs in test cricket.[/quote'] Really? We must be talking about 2 different Zaks then - last 4 innings:

21.0  	3  	76  	3  	3.61  	1  	2  	 	v England  	Mohali  	19 Dec 2008  	Test # 1901
3.0 	0 	11 	0 	3.66 	1 	4 		v England 	Mohali 	19 Dec 2008 	Test # 1901
21.0 	9 	41 	2 	1.95 	1 	1 		v England 	Chennai 	11 Dec 2008 	Test # 1898
27.0 	7 	40 	3 	1.48 	1 	3 		v England 	Chennai 	11 Dec 2008 	Test # 1898

On a patta wicket at Chennai, he bowled 48.0 overs at an economy of 1.69 rpo. I think thats pretty amazing. Given how Pietersen hit a quick century at Mohali and so many runs were scored there, he had an economy of 3.625 rpo. The series before that (one aberration is the 7.12 against Hayden and Katich, who came just hitting everything and were skittled for 195-odd runs in the end:

28.0  	8  	68  	1  	2.42  	1  	2  	 	v Australia  	Nagpur  	6 Nov 2008  	Test # 1892
8.0 	0 	57 	0 	7.12 	1 	4 		v Australia 	Nagpur 	6 Nov 2008 	Test # 1892
23.0 	5 	86 	0 	3.73 	1 	2 		v Australia 	Delhi 	29 Oct 2008 	Test # 1891
DNB 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	4 		v Australia 	Delhi 	29 Oct 2008 	Test # 1891
25.0 	7 	56 	1 	2.24 	1 	2 		v Australia 	Mohali 	17 Oct 2008 	Test # 1889
15.0 	3 	71 	3 	4.73 	1 	4 		v Australia 	Mohali 	17 Oct 2008 	Test # 1889

Record in NZ (back when he was very raw):

13.2 	4 	29 	5 	2.17 	1 	2 		v New Zealand 	Hamilton 	19 Dec 2002 	Test # 1633
13.0 	0 	56 	1 	4.30 	1 	4 		v New Zealand 	Hamilton 	19 Dec 2002 	Test # 1633
25.0 	8 	53 	5 	2.12 	1 	2 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	12 Dec 2002 	Test # 1631
3.0 	0 	13 	0 	4.33 	1 	4 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	12 Dec 2002 	Test # 1631

And thats 2 5WI right there. The economy of 2.78 by giving away 151 runs throughout the whole tour.

[diegovegaz]

the choice is between amit mishra and dhawal kulkarni the selection should depend on the pitch

[Shane]

Munaf Patel 	 	            	        26.67%
Balaji 	 	                           	26.67%
Dhawal Kulkarni 	 	              	20.00%
Will go in with 2 Spinners 	             	26.67%
Voters: 30. 

Talk about some Mixed Opinions !!! :agree:

[Fontaine]

Guys' date=' pls dont mix ODI and test cricket. Nobody is going to attack Munaf if he keeps bowling line and length all day. Some variety will help, but at present he is still a very good 3rd seamer and can control the flow of runs unlike the illustrious Zak.[/quote'] I would really like to believe that Munaf can do that, but almost everytime I see Munaf getting attacked by batsmen then he looses control, looses his rhythym. The Kiwis arleady know that Patel is mentally weak from the way he bowled in the ODIs so they will target him and see how he responds which is usually by falling apart.

[bunny]

Really? We must be talking about 2 different Zaks then - last 4 innings:

21.0  	3  	76  	3  	3.61  	1  	2  	 	v England  	Mohali  	19 Dec 2008  	Test # 1901
3.0 	0 	11 	0 	3.66 	1 	4 		v England 	Mohali 	19 Dec 2008 	Test # 1901
21.0 	9 	41 	2 	1.95 	1 	1 		v England 	Chennai 	11 Dec 2008 	Test # 1898
27.0 	7 	40 	3 	1.48 	1 	3 		v England 	Chennai 	11 Dec 2008 	Test # 1898

On a patta wicket at Chennai, he bowled 48.0 overs at an economy of 1.69 rpo. I think thats pretty amazing. Given how Pietersen hit a quick century at Mohali and so many runs were scored there, he had an economy of 3.625 rpo. The series before that (one aberration is the 7.12 against Hayden and Katich, who came just hitting everything and were skittled for 195-odd runs in the end:

28.0  	8  	68  	1  	2.42  	1  	2  	 	v Australia  	Nagpur  	6 Nov 2008  	Test # 1892
8.0 	0 	57 	0 	7.12 	1 	4 		v Australia 	Nagpur 	6 Nov 2008 	Test # 1892
23.0 	5 	86 	0 	3.73 	1 	2 		v Australia 	Delhi 	29 Oct 2008 	Test # 1891
DNB 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	4 		v Australia 	Delhi 	29 Oct 2008 	Test # 1891
25.0 	7 	56 	1 	2.24 	1 	2 		v Australia 	Mohali 	17 Oct 2008 	Test # 1889
15.0 	3 	71 	3 	4.73 	1 	4 		v Australia 	Mohali 	17 Oct 2008 	Test # 1889

Record in NZ (back when he was very raw):

13.2 	4 	29 	5 	2.17 	1 	2 		v New Zealand 	Hamilton 	19 Dec 2002 	Test # 1633
13.0 	0 	56 	1 	4.30 	1 	4 		v New Zealand 	Hamilton 	19 Dec 2002 	Test # 1633
25.0 	8 	53 	5 	2.12 	1 	2 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	12 Dec 2002 	Test # 1631
3.0 	0 	13 	0 	4.33 	1 	4 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	12 Dec 2002 	Test # 1631

And thats 2 5WI right there. The economy of 2.78 by giving away 151 runs throughout the whole tour.

Here's his performance in the last couple of years. Economy rate of 3.2...(pls dont bring up the stats of last NZ tour...Even Bradman wouldnt have been able to score on those pitches). http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/player/30102.html?class=1;spanmin1=1+Sep+2006;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

[bunny]

I would really like to believe that Munaf can do that' date=' but almost everytime I see Munaf getting attacked by batsmen then he looses control, looses his rhythym. The Kiwis arleady know that Patel is mentally weak from the way he bowled in the ODIs so they will target him and see how he responds which is usually by falling apart.[/quote'] And how many such innings have you watched? http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/player/32965.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

[bunny]

Btw, people picking Balaji must be nuts...On a pitch where domestic NZ bowlers were picking up 3-4 wickets, Balaji picked up a solitary wicket. Munaf over Balaji any day. Dhawal I havent seen much so cant comment. Need to think more on the 2 spinners theory. Currently I'd pick Munaf if it's a seaming wicket. If it's a batting wicket then might go for Mishra (his googlies can do the trick against NZers but he didnt impress in the first class match).

[cowboysfan]

nz picked 2 spinners last time they played in hamilton because they had oram as the 3rd seamer.we dont have that luxury so its unlikely we will go with 2 spinners.

[rkt.india]

daadaji is not worth to play for india until he resolves his bowling matters, work on his bowling, RPS is fit and playing in domestic, i dont why he is out, he was best Indian bowler in AUS test series, last year, best bowler in T20 WC. Sreesanth is injured again and not playing dom. one dayers. Balaji looks ruubish in IPL and against Sl to play in tests. DK is the best possible 3rd seamer because he is new and wants show his meattle and eager to learn with ZAK and IS.

[Show_stopper]

This spot is anyway being kept warm for Atul Sharma :yayru:

[Lord]

This spot is anyway being kept warm for Atul Sharma :yayru:

:two_thumbs_up:hope he doesnt turn out like Munaf n VRV though:giggle:

[kooljatt]

cnt we play Dhoni as third seamer ?.....>>>>@mi$ts:--D

[rkt.india]

:two_thumbs_up:hope he doesnt turn out like Munaf n VRV though:giggle:

I dont think so he is a well trained guy than munaf and VRV were, i do think that if VRV and Munaf take some tips from Ian Pont and co. then can become better in fitness issues

[flamy]

I dont think so he is a well trained guy than munaf and VRV were' date=' [b']i do think that if VRV and Munaf take some tips from Ian Pont and co. then can become better in fitness issues

how do u know Ian Pont is any good? :--D