"MSD taking things too far"

[patriot]

Again' date=' can you bother answering my/our query about why was the Indian team so inconsistent in the 90s and early 2000s ? Money was not involved, so there goes your theory of IPL ruining our youngsters' future.[/quote'] Simple - we are fortunate to have a new breed of fearless hard hitting batsmen who have delivered under pressure in ODIs and T20s. Earlier there was only Jadeja and Robin Singh against spinners . Bowling then too was mediocre, even now is not very good.

You tell me one thing, if you get two job offers a) $1000 in 4 hours and b) $1000 in 5 days. Which one would you pick and why? Consider that our cricketers are getting paid in millions and are still willing to do the 5 days job :winky:

Jeez don't make it complex - you'il only confuse yourself.:winky:

[Guest Hiten.]

Simple - we are fortunate to have a new breed of fearless hard hitting batsmen who have delivered under pressure in ODIs and T20s. Earlier there was only Jadeja and Robin Singh against spinners . Bowling then too was mediocre, even now is not very good.

How is that even answering my question ?

Jeez don't make it complex - you'il only confuse yourself.:winky:

Didn't expect an answer here

[Ram]

And look at the examples Messers Patriot uses to show that 'youngsters have lost motivation because of IPL money'... Guys like Uthappa, Tiwari etc.. When did these ever look motivated in international cricket, for them to run out of it?

[patriot]

How is that even answering my question ? Didn't expect an answer here

I already answered it. How many have improved on their game and become better players ? How many look good enough to play tests for India ?

[Ram]

I already answered it. How many have improved on their game and become better players ? Do they look good enough to play tests for India ?

Lol, so did Robin Uthappa and Manoj Tiwari look good enough to play for India in tests before IPL?

[patriot]

Lol' date=' so did Robin Uthappa and Manoj Tiwari look good enough to play for India in tests before IPL? [/quote'] Uthappa is not even good enough to play ODIs now for India. Tiwari had a dream 2 years, where he averaged 57 with an attacking game and even led Bengal - leading to an IPL contract. Havn't heard much about him since then. I am not saying that IPL has ruined everything but its difficult to stay motivated when you become a millionaire before you are bearly 20 -without going through the grind.

[Ram]

First you said this, with a lot of conviction;

I bet you had IPL not made these guy millionaires without grinding it out - their motivation levels would be at another level.

And now you say this;

I am not saying that IPL has ruined everything but its difficult to stay motivated when you become a millionaire before you are bearly 20 -without going through the grind.

Beginning to doubt yourself, eh? :haha: Again, thats just an assumption you're making, with no factual or emperical evidence whatsoever to back your claim. No wonder that you have intentionally dodged some pointed questions related to our relative records before and after IPL.

[patriot]

First you said this, with a lot of conviction; And now you say this; Beginning to doubt yourself, eh? :haha: Again, thats just an assumption you're making, with no factual or emperical evidence whatsoever to back your claim. No wonder that you have intentionally dodged some pointed questions related to our relative records before and after IPL.

No chump - I don't have to provide you any earth shattering empirical evidence - what I've stated is natural and common sense( not necessarily your cup of tea :winky:) - hype and unprecedented money that follow early success have tended to get the better of most upcoming cricketers( particularly if you are a marketable personality ) in our cricket mad country - you don't have to look further than Yuvraj Singh who made 2-3 comebacks since his debut before finally cementing a place in the ODI team .

[vvvslaxman]

. “We cannot rely on the likes of Virat Kohli and Suresh Raina. They lacked satisfied with what they did and that is unpardonable. Their conscience has to wake up.” Singh opined that Rahul Dravid’s return to the ODI squad showed that the youngsters lacked mettle and ability to excel at the international level. .

Did he just say that? What match he was watching.. the match where he conceded 19 runs in one over to Salim Malik?

[Ram]

No chump - I don't have to provide you any earth shattering empirical evidence - what I've stated is natural and common sense( not necessarily your cup of tea :winky:) - hype and unprecedented money that follow early success have tended to get the better of most upcoming cricketers( particularly if you are a marketable personality ) in our cricket mad country - you don't have to look further than Yuvraj Singh who made 2-3 comebacks since his debut before finally cementing a place in the ODI team .

Common sense according your Madraasa logic of course. :haha: So lets get this straght, you will continue accuse our players of slacking since the period starting IPL 1, despite factual evidence showing that our we have had best period in our cricket history in the same timeline (AND) the knowledge that in the period preceding IPLs and ICLs, when there were no lucrative contracts around, we had a miserable time losing more than we won. Some common sense it is, i have to admit.

[patriot]

Common sense according your Madraasa logic of course. :haha: So lets get this straght, you will continue accuse our players of slacking since the period starting IPL 1, despite factual evidence showing that our we have had best period in our cricket history in the same timeline (AND) the knowledge that in the period preceding IPLs and ICLs, when there were no lucrative contracts around, we had a miserable time losing more than we won. Some common sense it is, i have to admit.

Only a madrassa student will know what madrassa logic is. :winky: Answering you daft question - Please look at the batting record/avg of Sehwag, Dhoni, SRT, and Yuvi in particular in the last 18 months to know where our new found success has come from. Dhoni's astute captaincy no doubt had a great role too. And tell me where IPL junkies like Rohit Sharma, Robin Uthappa, Manoj Tiwary (post IPL in domestic cricket) and now Yousuf Pathan have gone. Viraat again is unconvincing to say the least- he did well in one series in lanka though. No wonder MSD said IPL should not be a criteria for national selection.

[BlueBlood]

I thought for a second it was Harbhajan Singh and was shocked :hysterical:

[Master Blaster]

Paki posting stupid crap. GTFO

[Jersey #10]

It's just one freaking loss...wtf????????? chill!!!!!!! Indian bowling will be back with a bang and the bench strength has been hit hard by injuries...isn't it obvious? If we cant have players like Raina and Kohli...do you want to get Ganguly and VVS laxman in ODI??? :wall:

[champ]

Singh was a furious man on Wednesday night and he lashed out at the Indian skipper, who he thought was trying too many things too fast. “He (Dhoni) is not keeping things simple and sweet, like he sometime back. When the team was winning, everyone thought Dhoni was a shrewd thinker of the game and I think he went too far with all those accolades.†India lost their first match of the ICC Champions Trophy against Pakistan and had to win against Australia but as fate would have it, the rain gods decided to play spoilsport. Once the match against the world champions washed out, India had to rely on Pakistan beating Australia besides thrashing the West Indies by a whooping margin in the second match at Johannesburg. Singh felt India lack bench strength and the reserves were exposed in the absence of Virender Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh and Zaheer Khan. “There is so much talk of the bench strength. Where is the bench strength? We don’t have enough quality players in the team,†the former left-arm spinner quipped. However, Singh, now one of the top cricket analysts in the country said the elimination should be a ‘wake-up’ call for the Indians. “We were on a winning spree a few months back but we did not realise that our bowling and fielding kept getting weaker. We talked of being the number one team in the world despite a weak bowling attack.†Singh preserved his wrath for the youngsters in the team, who he thought cannot be relied upon. Their mentality, he said, was poor and the attitude lacked sting. “We cannot rely on the likes of Virat Kohli and Suresh Raina. They lacked satisfied with what they did and that is unpardonable. Their conscience has to wake up.†Singh opined that Rahul Dravid’s return to the ODI squad showed that the youngsters lacked mettle and ability to excel at the international level. Was that a slight on the younger members in the team? “Well, I don’t think that makes a difference to them. You have a coach, a great support staff, Paddy Upton and yet the performance has been appalling,†Singh fumed. Questions will be asked. After all India, have been smashed out of contention of the second successive ICC event within a span of four months. For a team, trying to establish itself as the best in the world, things need to take a better turn.

who is this joker singh ?? :hysterical:

[Ram]

Only a madrassa student will know what madrassa logic is. :winky: Answering you daft question - Please look at the batting record/avg of Sehwag, Dhoni, SRT, and Yuvi in particular in the last 18 months to know where our new found success has come from. Dhoni's astute captaincy no doubt had a great role too. And tell me where IPL junkies like Rohit Sharma, Robin Uthappa, Manoj Tiwary (post IPL in domestic cricket) and now Yousuf Pathan have gone. Viraat again is unconvincing to say the least- he did well in one series in lanka though. No wonder MSD said IPL should not be a criteria for national selection.

Lol, if India does well, give credit to the seniors. If we do poorly, blame the youngsters? And its funny how keep bringing up names like Tiwari, Uthappa and Yusuf Pathan. These guys have NEVER been unqualified successes in international cricket at any point of time, for them to falter in the same level due to being swayed by the $$$. :haha:

[beetle]

Maninder Singh is a poor desperate bitter man.Will do and say anything for a little money.

[The Outsider]

Experts like Maninder would really look forward for India to do poorly - it's windfall time for them.

[beetle]

Experts like Maninder would really look forward for India to do poorly - it's windfall time for them.

So true. The smut channels also know whom to call up when India does bad...and people like him crawl out foaming at the mouth. Another one is Bullshit Bedi who is always talking about how they played for peanuts.

[suraj]

So true. The smut channels also know whom to call up when India does bad...and people like him crawl out foaming at the mouth. Another one is Bullshit Bedi who is always talking about how they played for peanuts.

Bedi commented that he does not consider Bhajji to be a bowler